SW:TOR Same-Gender Relationships on New Planet Only

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...

On one hand, Bioware really did paint themselves into a corner by originally saying they were going to put same gender romance onto their companions.

On the other hand, I think the backlash about this is just way out of proportion. I dunno. I think I'm just on sensory overload from every single gender/sex issue of the day being the worst thing.

I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

But I liked my friend's idea of the entire planet being gay and all the gay people are on that planet. That way the Death Star can destroy the planet, which lets TOR stay in-cannon and yet also hold with the idea that there are no gay people in the Star Wars universe, as officially explained.

Will the Galactic Republic write a law making SSR illegal and force the citizens of the planet into an emotionally exhausting lawsuit? Because I'm not sure the quests will be fun. "Go fetch 20 subpenas" is really going to get tired out quick .

bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

But I liked my friend's idea of the entire planet being gay and all the gay people are on that planet. That way the Death Star can destroy the planet, which lets TOR stay in-cannon and yet also hold with the idea that there are no gay people in the Star Wars universe, as officially explained.

A whole gay planet seems more like a Star Trek thing than Star Wars.

A whole gay planet seems more like a Star Trek thing than Star Wars.

http://www.startrek.com/database_art...

Great episode.

Seems there's room to make it a satirical jab at same-sex marriage in the US.

Seems there's room to make it a satirical jab at same-sex marriage in the US.

It's EA, who are pretty ham-handed at public opinion stuff. However, they do have to offer services in the Middle East and other places where having same-sex elements in a game could get them shut down, so I guess I can understand it from a business perspective. This way they can just not offer that world in societies that would be offended.

Robear wrote:
It's EA, who are pretty ham-handed at public opinion stuff. However, they do have to offer services in the Middle East and other places where having same-sex elements in a game could get them shut down, so I guess I can understand it from a business perspective. This way they can just not offer that world in societies that would be offended.

They've stated previously that adding same-sex romance options to all the existing companions would require far more work than they first imagined, and that they've been distracted by setting up the transition to free-to-play. I think that they still plan to do them, it's just going to take awhile, and may not get done for all of the characters. Nothing the Ars article references makes any mention of not doing it for political/cultural reasons. I imagine the bad PR from not including them would more than outweigh whatever benefit they get from selling the game in homophobic countries.

Stengah wrote:
Robear wrote:
It's EA, who are pretty ham-handed at public opinion stuff. However, they do have to offer services in the Middle East and other places where having same-sex elements in a game could get them shut down, so I guess I can understand it from a business perspective. This way they can just not offer that world in societies that would be offended.

They've stated previously that adding same-sex romance options to all the existing companions would require far more work than they first imagined, and that they've been distracted by setting up the transition to free-to-play. I think that they still plan to do them, it's just going to take awhile, and may not get done for all of the characters. Nothing the Ars article references makes any mention of not doing it for political/cultural reasons. I imagine the bad PR from not including them would more than outweigh whatever benefit they get from selling the game in homophobic countries.

I have to echo Stengah's sentiments here that it seems to be more of a technical/game design issue than political. When I got back into playing SWTOR for a couplemonths I began listening to the TORWARS podcast, and they had an interview with Jeff Hickman about how same sex relationships had been put on a back-burner as Bioware fried much bigger fish.

I'm also not sure that the pay-off for adding same sex relationships was worth the political fall-out when the game launched. It seems nowadays that games are the scapegoats for everything wrong with our society, and having gay lovin' in a Star Wars game would outrage the right media and possibly scare off a lot of parents. I'm honestly amazed they're going through with it now that Disney owns the Star Wars franchise.

Final thought - I agree that an all-gay planet is more Star Trek. If you want to stay true to the Star Wars lore, you need to offer same family relationships.

You are right, I thought they were restricting it to a *server*, not a planet. My mistake.

What's the planet called? Gayhetto?

I saw a banner on a site that this is now Free to Play. What is the health of this game, independent of the Fire Island planet?

Also, has anyone, ever, legitimately hung their hat on Bioware's tact and skill with any relationship? As I recall, a "relationship" in a Bioware game is selecting what X NPC wants to hear or the Gifts that he/she wants, eventually you kiss, get some butt or side boob, and then are free to ignore them.

Stengah wrote:
Makeb, not war.

FTFY.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Seems there's room to make it a satirical jab at same-sex marriage in the US.

One of the more humorous posts on neogaf went something along the lines of

"Gay people are complaining? IRL they can only marry in a handful of states, in SW:ToR they have an entire planet"

KingGorilla wrote:
I saw a banner on a site that this is now Free to Play. What is the health of this game, independent of the Fire Island planet?

Also, has anyone, ever, legitimately hung their hat on Bioware's tact and skill with any relationship? As I recall, a "relationship" in a Bioware game is selecting what X NPC wants to hear or the Gifts that he/she wants, eventually you kiss, get some butt or side boob, and then are free to ignore them.

Not to get too far off topic, but from my experience the game is doing quite well in the starter mid-level areas but the level 50 planets are a bit sparse compared to when the game was still fresh. I have no idea if the expansion will draw that many players who quit the game back. As you've probably already heard on the podcast, SWTOR is really free to play in name only. They make it a pretty miserable experience unless you subscribe.

The relationships that I experienced seemed to have more depth than other Bioware games, and depending on your choices your companion may even propose marriage. I personally liked my trooper romance where I fell in love with an Imperial defector and got engaged, but it was also fun playing a Bond-style Imperial agent where I didn't form any long lasting relationships. Unfortunately, the whole "give gifts till they like you" is alive and well. Also, the action is definitely PG 13 compared to Mass Effect so no shots if boob or butt.

I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now.

Nomad wrote:
I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now. :twisted:

The fact that "Frenulum" sounds like some sort of alien species is a terribly underused joke, I think

Also, here's that hyperbole and think-of-the-family feeling we were missing. Gay planet! Gay jedi!

Gay.

Nomad wrote:

I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now.

Noting this is in itself a temptation... but I'm holding on to my self-control here.

Robear wrote:
Nomad wrote:

I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now.

Noting this is in itself a temptation... but I'm holding on to my self-control here. :-)

I've never had the best self-control so "omg gay jedi pushing their homosexual agenda on Uranus!"

bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

Every (nearly every?) MMORPG lets you pick gender though.

Robear wrote:
Nomad wrote:

I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now.

Noting this is in itself a temptation... but I'm holding on to my self-control here. :-)


I was holding out for a chance to make some hilarious "small thermal exhaust port" puns, but I never found the right opening.

muttonchop wrote:
Robear wrote:
Nomad wrote:

I am extremely proud of you all. I was sure that some type of Uranus joke would have shown up in this thread by now.

Noting this is in itself a temptation... but I'm holding on to my self-control here. :-)


I was holding out for a chance to make some hilarious "small thermal exhaust port" puns, but I never found the right opening.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

Every (nearly every?) MMORPG lets you pick gender though.

Okay, sure. I'm not sure what your point is here.

It seems to me like the only other viable alternative at this stage would be to not add them at all, so... I don't really understand the outrage?

bnpederson wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

Every (nearly every?) MMORPG lets you pick gender though.

Okay, sure. I'm not sure what your point is here.


...

What was your point?

Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

Every (nearly every?) MMORPG lets you pick gender though.

Okay, sure. I'm not sure what your point is here.


...

What was your point?


Penis.

Ohhh of course!

Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
bnpederson wrote:
I mostly thought it was funny. It's not like you're generally given a choice of gender preference in most games anyway, should it even come up.

Every (nearly every?) MMORPG lets you pick gender though.

Okay, sure. I'm not sure what your point is here.


...

What was your point?

That it's a net positive that Bioware is even allowing players to have a choice in their character's orientation, ham-fisted though the implementation may be, and any uproar around it is overall pretty silly.

NathanialG wrote:
Penis.

I believe the traditional is: finger --> butt