The ACC will be the Big 12 East eventually anyway. :evil:
Only if Maryland can get out of that stupid $50MM exit fee.
We shall wait and see about their lawsuit
Fun article from Texas... Did the Big 12 make a mistake by turning down the Cardinals?
Obviously the answer is yes, in a Louisville vs West Virginia comparison.
I wanted Louisville more than any other team, but issue is TV market. You don't add or subtract based on competition. Schools get better and worse over time.
The Big 12 is only going to add schools that add more revenue to the pool than they will take. Maybe they are wrong, but all signs point to Louisville not providing enough households. They may make a ton of cash, but it doesn't seem to be money that would be shared.
I wanted Louisville more than any other team, but issue is TV market. You don't add or subtract based on competition. Schools get better and worse over time.
Except... #1 college basketball market.
For the 11th consecutive year, Louisville was the highest-rated metered market for ESPN’s regular-season telecasts
Of course it just shows again that the conference realignment mess was only about football and nothing else.
Personally, I thought West Virginia made sense if the next steps ere to pick up Cincinnati and Louisville eventually. That would provide a logical link the the east.
And unless you have been living under a rock, I have no idea why anyone would think it was about anything else bur football. A Kansas fan, I'd love it if basketball had more clout, but it just doesn't.
I definitely hope Kansas football gets better, but my main concern is that KU remains or lands in a conference that can still drive high level recruits to Lawrence.
Good to know that WVU is better in football than Louisville is, in addition to bringing more viewers...wait a sec.
Wait, are you trying to have a conversation, or just being a dick?
I said Louisville my main preference and that WV only made sense to if Louisville and Cincy are added.
I think the Big 12 will regret not taking Louisville more serious, as I've said before. They assumed the Cardinals would be around whenever they got around to it.
As has been mentioned many times above, it seems that football and its money are all that mattered in the conference realignment. But man, WVU going to the Big 12 *only* made sense for football. The travel requirements on their olympic sports and even basketball teams are now crazy. The nearest Big 12 school is ~850 miles away. If you're on the track or the swim teams, do they pay for you to fly to all the away meets? I certainly hope so, otherwise you're in for >17 hours of riding the bus (round trip).
They've asked for some scheduling accommodations:
Twice this past season WVU [basketball] was scheduled to go out on the road, play a Saturday game, fly home on Sunday, practice Monday and fly out again on Tuesday for a Wednesday game.
League rules do not allow them to stay on the road during that time, so they use up most of two days traveling.
Man, though, that means they'll be off campus from Saturday through Thursday. Hard to go to class if you miss Mon. - Thu. But, really, college sports is for the benefit of the student athletes. They get a great education for free.
Can we not jump down each others throats in this thread all year again?
It's getting quite toxic to talk about ANYTHING lately, and really I'd like to be able to discuss f*cking football again instead of petty griping.
Hey, tell Stele not to talk bad about the Big 12, and everything will be cool!
Seriously, in actual football news: OU just received a commitment from an Oklahoma QB that was the Aggies' top "local" target for the 2014 class. f*ckers! ;)
You'll get your season of Blake Bell lobbing passes up the middle to safeties before he starts.
Hey, tell Stele not to talk bad about the Big 12, and everything will be cool!
I did no such thing. I talked bad about WVU cause they suck. :p And conference realignment as a whole. Hopefully that's stabilized for a few years now...
Fedaykin98 wrote:Hey, tell Stele not to talk bad about the Big 12, and everything will be cool!
I did no such thing. I talked bad about WVU cause they suck. :p And conference realignment as a whole. Hopefully that's stabilized for a few years now...
Agreed. And for the record, I wanted Louisville over West Virginia when realignment happened then. But there weren't any experts pushing Louisville then.
In fact, this web site makes it look even dumber to have taken WVU over Louisville, if trends matter. But that's the thing, long term, West Virginia has been better overall. But if Louisville's football program stays where it is, they will be a juggernaut. But you can make an argument that this is the blip and Louisville will regress in football, especially in the ACC. Who knows?
But adding WVU only made sense if you provided them eastern teams to take some of the load off of the travel. I truly believe that the Big 12 assumed Louisville was not on anyone's short list, and decided to make them wait. That was a mistake. Probably.
As Ego Man points out, we are all waiting to see what happens with Maryland's buyout. If that doesn't stick, it provides a way for FSU and other ACC teams to bolt. Will Louisville reconsider if FSU and Clemson join, and the Big 12 tries to go to 14 or 16? I don't think anyone really knows.
I think the Big 12 is also interested in seeing how the 14 team conferences pan out. I think it is kind of horrid when it comes to scheduling, and kind of kills a lot of the advantages of being in a premiere conference when schools might go six years without visiting some cities. At 16, it gets worse. Of course, staying small makes WVU an even bigger mistake, as Louisville would have been the perfect add for the footprint of the conference in regards to travel.
And I don't think travel for the tams is the big deal. College sports thrives on fans traveling with the team. WVU has no good road trips for fans. That was the biggest downside for SLU basketball going to the Atlantic 10. And it kills recruiting, which is why the Big 12 really wanted a Texas school. With four schools, you can guarantee a lot more games in state even they go to Kansas.
But my bias is clear. I would rather see the Big 12 become an even better basketball conference, and Louisville would have really helped make that happen. I don't think they should have waited on them.
As for Kansas football, I'm excited to see if the juco plan on steroids pans out, and if Heaps to McKay becomes a tandem anyone outside of Lawrence might be excited to watch. They have both of their stud RB's back, so it really comes down to an OL with three new starters. I would have liked to have seen better results last year, but I don't know that there was much else anyone could have expected Weis to do with what Gill and the ugly Mangino exit did to the program.
I still think he's doing all the right things. I just hope we can get a few Big 12 wins this year.
Can we not jump down each others throats in this thread all year again?
It's getting quite toxic to talk about ANYTHING lately, and really I'd like to be able to discuss f*cking football again instead of petty griping.
Y'all almost had a Big 12 win LAST year in the annual game where I pull for Kansas!
Hey, we have kicker this year, so there's hope!
God, I love Gumbie! :lol:
Jayhawker wrote:Fedaykin98 wrote:Y'all almost had a Big 12 win LAST year in the annual game where I pull for Kansas!
Hey, we have kicker this year, so there's hope!
Can we borrow him?
He'll probably have free time in late December and January.
Oregon reports "major recruiting violations" but fails to site "lack of institutional control." Makes complete sense to me, since the Institution, Nike, appears to be in full control there.
The NCAA infractions committee will now take this up to see what the final penalties will be. Oregon has recommended a 2-year probation (slap on wrist), and the loss of one (1?!) scholarship for the next 3 years. Complete hogwash. Tack on the fact that this is the 2nd time in the last 10 years that Oregon has been found with major recruiting violations, and this should come with at least a 1-year postseason ban and multiple scholarship losses. One needs look no further than Chip Kelly jumping ship for the NFL to know that something bad has gone on here.
Of course the cynic in me says Phil Knight will bring the influence of Nike onto the NCAA. Hopefully the NCAA can grow a pair (which would be the first time) and stand up to Nike and make sure the appropriate action is taken.
Don't know if this belongs in the NCAA thread or NFL thread.
Top 10 colleges whose draftees offer the best pro value.
1. LSU
2. Pittsburgh
3. Miami
4. Georgia
5. Virginia
6. UCLA
7. Purdue
8. Louisville
9. Georgia Tech
10. Texas A&M...
It seems that schools with the greatest number of players selected did not fare very well in these rankings. In fact, nine of the top 10 in terms of total selections did not make the top 10 in terms of value, with only Miami making the cut.
Interesting stuff.
Boom! ACC grant of rights through 2027
Think we can stop talking about the Big 12 raiding them now. :p
Boom! ACC grant of rights through 2027
Think we can stop talking about the Big 12 raiding them now. :p
TL,DR: We're stuck with Louisville long after its inevitable ACC-induced regression to the mean in football.
Lord help us all
I hear they can play a little basketball. If that doesnt work out, They can hang around for a couple of years as our league mascot.
Actually, if this means an end to raiding the big conferences for awhile, I'm good. It probably emphasizes that the Big 12 blew it when not locking in Louisville sooner.
The new BCS playoffs will be called...
ESPN broke the news of the name earlier Tuesday afternoon. When informed of the reported name, eternally circumspect Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione responded, “Is that really the name or just a space filler?”The look on Castiglione’s face should have come accompanied with a thought bubble over his head that read, “Am I being punk’d? This has to be a joke. What’s the punch line?”
No punch line. College Football Playoff, to be televised by Massive All-Sports Disney Subsidiary and perhaps sponsored by Football-Friendly Tortilla Chip Company, is for real.
The goal seemed to be coming up with something so prosaic, so leadenly obvious and so utterly bland that the moniker couldn’t be made fun of. Aside, of course, from making fun of it for being boring.
But boring is better than some other alternatives. Look what Legends and Leaders got the Big Ten – a two-year succession of mockery, as Joe Paterno and Jim Tressel helped undermine the smug division names. No wonder the league is reportedly changing the names to East and West, following the safe geographic footsteps of the SEC and Pac-12.
So the BCS thought it over and decided grandiose was out. Highfalutin was out. Creative was out. Potentially dicey acronyms were out (we were told the name is not to be shortened to initials or, well, there will be big trouble).
Literal is in.
I think that name is really ironic and amazing because of it.
#1 - There are other divisions of college football that have playoffs and have for years. So this isn't *the* college football playoff.
#2 - The name just serves to remind me that the organization putting this together (corporate interests and the major universities at D1) aren't putting together an official championship. This isn't the "NCAA FBS College Football Championship". That would be false advertising. So they name it the closest thing possible. It's like those cheesy food products that are meant to look like the name brand product they're copying.
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