boogle wrote:Fedaykin98 wrote:Well I'm figuring the SEC and the PAC, and then I'm not sure, but I'm taking Mack Brown's word for it that no one in the Big 12 is substantially better than Iowa State. So Big 10 or ACC after that.
You and I both know he is probably the most out of touch coach in the conference. Texas keeps him around for donations and his contract.
No doubt. That was pretty much a "Look at the stupid crap Mack Brown is saying now" comment on my part. Seriously, A&M's departure for the SEC / t.u. losing to Bama a few years back has permanently taken over his brain, and fried it.
Or it could have been the years of Stoops abuse, but let's be honest and say that Vince Young broke the man's heart.
I respectfully disagree. The Noles dominated the ACC from their entry in 1992 until 2001. ...
Or, another way to look at it, Florida State was so good it took the ACC a decade to bring them down to the level of everyone else.
You could probably make the case that FSU has played/will continue to play a large role in keeping the ACC among the BCS conferences. So there's that.
You might also make the case that being in the ACC has prolonged FSU's recovery time. It's one thing to struggle in the SEC -- there are a lot of good teams, and the same team isn't going to be on top every single year. It's another thing when the team invited into the conference for the sole purpose of improving ACC football gets shut out at home on national TV against Wake Freakin' Forest.
TL,DR: On behalf of the ACC, I'm sorry we dragged down your football program! We expect so much better from y'all! (We have, however, given up on Miami. That's a lost cause.)
P.S.: I had forgotten that Chuck the Chest was a FSU import. I don't think State Fan has recovered from him yet.
Love the Mack Brown hate parade! Understandable that Big12 (and former) teams hate him out of simple rivalry, but honestly, no non-Big12 fanbase hates him more than Cal. He orchestrated one of the most vile coups and basically begged some of his colleagues to vote Cal out of the Rose Bowl (would have been the first time in nearly 50 years) after the 2004 season (Aaron Rodgers last).
Cal fans never forget.
It even has its own Wikipedia entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCS_controversies#Lobbying_for_votes
That's a beautiful Wikipedia page, btw. Well done on the part of people who compiled the egregious f-ups of the BCS.
Yo Fed! Your boy Johnny Football is the subject of a Wright Thompson piece at ESPN the Magazine. FYI if you haven't seen it.
I can't imagine being this kid or, frankly, any other reasonably famous person in this day and age.
Enix wrote:Yo Fed! Your boy Johnny Football is the subject of a Wright Thompson piece at ESPN the Magazine. FYI if you haven't seen it.
I can't imagine being this kid or, frankly, any other reasonably famous person in this day and age.
I'm well aware of it. I mainline Aggie news 24-7.
What can I say? Johnny has brought untold happiness to me and mine. He's the most important Aggie player in a generation. I'm behind him.
Who is "mine" in "Me and mine". I assume you were talking about me. You can just say my name, I'm not shy about my love for Manziel.
I'm assuming your question was rhetorical? I don't actually know Johnny (either one). If you're asking how I'll feel if he leaves after this year, well...he has to make the best decision for himself. I consistently say that if the big money is there, you have to take it. Don't be a Matt Barkley.
If the big money isn't there, though, you really need to consider being a Von Miller, who stayed in college for his senior year and moved up to #2 overall.
Is that what you were asking, if you were indeed asking for a response? Help me out here.
Did you read the article? Jayhawker wasn't being flippant. He was referring to the article and the dichotomy of how the myth of Johnny Football is swallowing the person too young and immature to handle all of the attention. I feel really bad for him after reading that article.
Enix wrote:Yo Fed! Your boy Johnny Football is the subject of a Wright Thompson piece at ESPN the Magazine. FYI if you haven't seen it.
I can't imagine being this kid or, frankly, any other reasonably famous person in this day and age.
I'm well aware of it. I mainline Aggie news 24-7.
What can I say? Johnny has brought untold happiness to me and mine. He's the most important Aggie player in a generation. I'm behind him.
But what does behind him mean? Because right now, he's planning a fast track out of A&M. Do you care about Johnathan Manziel or Johnny Football?
Maybe here, outside the siege walls of College Station, Johnny could exhale. He needed space to retake the control he'd lost over both himself and his new persona. Johnny Football is a growling grown-ass beast of a human. Johnathan Manziel is a boy trying to become a man.
Both his parents believe he won't return for another season in College Station, and until he leaves, they can give love and support and pray that Johnny Football doesn't completely devour Johnathan Manziel."Yeah," Paul says one evening, driving in his car, "it could come unraveled. And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad."
He imagines a late-night call, and the cable news ticker, and the next morning's headlines.
"It's one night away from the phone ringing," he says, "and he's in jail. And you know what he's gonna say? 'It's better than all the pressure I've been under. This is better than that.'"
Nate (Finch, who dropped out of school this year to act as Johnny's assistant and manager, handling media requests and helping coordinate the bodyguards from Houston) thinks Texas A&M is leaking on its star quarterback, and in the end it doesn't even really matter if that is true or not. There's been a growing rift between the school and its most important student. It's not just Nate's paranoia about the story, or Johnny's frustrations with the nonfootball, marketing expectation of the school, or his father's sense of injustice that everyone makes money off his son but his son. The rift is more profound. Many people close to Johnny Manziel no longer believe in the integrity of the institutions charged with protecting him.Lost faith is one more casualty of the fishbowl.
DON'T BE SURPRISED. Things fall apart. It's physics, really. People on the outside see only the final collapse: the drunken photo, the fight outside a bar, the angry tweet. They never see the slow decay, because that happens in private. This erosion is now the most prominent thing in Johnny Manziel's life, because it digs into every part of him, erasing and molding, shaping who he will become. Will he grow to understand and manage it? Or will he crumble, becoming a trivia answer or a cautionary tale? This season will bring the answer. He's 20. He doesn't even fully exist yet, a work in progress. Two opposing forces compete for influence in that journey: on one side, the values handed down by his parents and the man he'd like to become; on the other, there's everything that's happened to him in the past year.
It's really the worries of his dad that affected me most, and it really gives me a sympathetic view of the kid. He's a 20-year-old that no longer has anyone to tell him when he's being an asshole.
The sun is brutal, and as the holes pass, Johnny grows more and more upset with his game. Nothing is going right. Putts come up a turn short, or lip out. His distance control is off. A sweat stain covers the back of his shirt, and he curses himself under his breath. He buries his head in his phone. Actually, it's his roommate's phone, since he broke his. He says he dropped it accidentally, although he's broken multiple phones in anger. To calm down, he leans back in the cart and drapes a green towel over his head, hidden and safe. On the fifth hole, he snaps. He flings a wedge through the air. The club helicopters, spinning so fast it hums, bouncing off the nearby cart path. "F---," he says under his breath.Paul sees the club toss but doesn't say anything. Not yet, not until he calms his own anger and frustration. Johnny needs to grow up or risk losing his future, and every thrown club, or ill-advised tweet, reminds his father how far they have to go. Paul is scared.
"I don't enjoy playing golf with him because I don't want to see that temper," he'll say later. "I honestly do not. I cringe when he wants to play golf. I don't want to do it, but I know I have to do it. Because he still needs love. He still needs guidance. He still needs to see he's wrong -- and how to control his temper. And if I give up on him, who's gonna take over? The school sure the hell isn't gonna do it."
That's where I was trying to go. I didn't understand how a response of, "I'm behind him," makes sense. For one, he and his family view the school and his fandom as corrosive. He wouldn't be leaving for the money, but to escape College Station. He's got plenty of money to live a wealthy life if he drops out right now.
But mostly, and it's what I asked awhile back in the thread, are fans worried about him? Would you rather have a guy that spent the off-season committed to being a better QB and leader, or is the persona of Johnny Football just more fun to root for?
I saw an interview with the author, and he spent a lot of time with the family. I expected a show of strength by his family, that the media was blowing things up. Instead, his father painted a picture of a kid he knew was not equipped to deal with this kind of fame. But who could have predicted it?
The "persona" of Johnny Football that *I* latched onto was of this undersized kid doing amazing things on the field when he looks like he'd fit in more with the chess club. The underdog nature of it all. Once it takes on this kind of life and consumes that kid obviously I'm rooting for the kid and not what the persona is or has come to represent.
The "persona" of Johnny Football that *I* latched onto was of this undersized kid doing amazing things on the field when he looks like he'd fit in more with the chess club. The underdog nature of it all. Once it takes on this kind of life and consumes that kid obviously I'm rooting for the kid and not what the persona is or has come to represent.
Same here.
And to be fair, I would love to see A&M and Manziel fail. But I don't wish the kind of hurt he seems to be going through on anyone.
Do you care about Johnathan Manziel or Johnny Football?
I would love to see A&M and Manziel fail. But I don't wish the kind of hurt he seems to be going through on anyone.
Would you rather have a guy that spent the off-season committed to being a better QB and leader, or is the persona of Johnny Football just more fun to root for?
Concern troll and false dichotomy? Congrats! I'm surprised Fed responded to your posts at all.
Jayhawker wrote:Do you care about Johnathan Manziel or Johnny Football?
Jayhawker wrote:I would love to see A&M and Manziel fail. But I don't wish the kind of hurt he seems to be going through on anyone.
Jayhawker wrote:Would you rather have a guy that spent the off-season committed to being a better QB and leader, or is the persona of Johnny Football just more fun to root for?
Concern troll and false dichotomy? Congrats! I'm surprised Fed responded to your posts at all.
I get why you think that, but I'm not trolling.
Abu5217 wrote:I respectfully disagree. The Noles dominated the ACC from their entry in 1992 until 2001. ...
Or, another way to look at it, Florida State was so good it took the ACC a decade to bring them down to the level of everyone else.
You could probably make the case that FSU has played/will continue to play a large role in keeping the ACC among the BCS conferences. So there's that.
You might also make the case that being in the ACC has prolonged FSU's recovery time. It's one thing to struggle in the SEC -- there are a lot of good teams, and the same team isn't going to be on top every single year. It's another thing when the team invited into the conference for the sole purpose of improving ACC football gets shut out at home on national TV against Wake Freakin' Forest.
TL,DR: On behalf of the ACC, I'm sorry we dragged down your football program! We expect so much better from y'all! (We have, however, given up on Miami. That's a lost cause.)
P.S.: I had forgotten that Chuck the Chest was a FSU import. I don't think State Fan has recovered from him yet.
Pretty much everything about this reply made me smile! Trust me, the shutout against WFU was the nail in the Jeff Bowden coffin. I was furious. Perhaps wayyy more furious than a middle-aged man should be about a game.
I agree that Miami is a lost cause (Love saying that!) but I was at FSU in the late 80s/Early 90s. One does not ever look down upon that which caused such heartbreak.
I think that the being in the ACC hurt FSU last year, because after the ridiculous loss to NCSU there was no way they would get a chance to make amends. They got no love in the polls, because the conference as a whole was miserable. Then they erased all doubt by sucking all over the field against UF.
Yeah beating Florida does a lot for national perception of your team.
RANK TEAM RECORD POINTS FIRST PLACE VOTES PREVIOUS RANK
1 Alabama 13-1 1545 58 1
2 Ohio St. 12-0 1427 3 NR
3 Oregon 12-1 1397 0 2
4 Stanford 12-2 1262 0 6
5 Georgia 12-2 1250 0 4
6 Texas A&M 11-2 1215 1 5
7 South Carolina 11-2 1136 0 7
8 Clemson 11-2 1047 0 9
9 Louisville 11-2 1010 0 13
10 Florida 11-2 930 0 10
11 Notre Dame 12-1 872 0 3
12 Florida St. 12-2 844 0 8
13 LSU 10-3 797 0 12
14 Oklahoma St. 8-5 726 0 NR
15 Texas 9-4 622 0 18
16 Oklahoma 10-3 620 0 15
17 Michigan 8-5 589 0 NR
18 Nebraska 10-4 426 0 23
19 Boise St. 11-2 420 0 14
20 TCU 7-6 400 0 NR
21 UCLA 9-5 202 0 NR
22 Northwestern 10-3 186 0 16
23 Wisconsin 8-6 172 0 NR
24 USC 7-6 165 0 NR
25 Oregon St. 9-4 135 0 19
Schools Dropped Out
No. 11 Kansas State (11-2), No. 17 Utah State (11-2), No. 20 Vanderbilt (9-4), No. 21 San Jose State (11-2), No. 22 Cincinnati (10-3), No. 24 Northern Illinois (12-2), No. 25 Tulsa (11-3).
Others Receiving Votes
Kansas State (11-2) 113; Miami (Fla.) 101; Michigan State 89; Baylor 80; Virginia Tech 65; Fresno State 62; Arizona State 51; Mississippi 32; Vanderbilt (9-4) 29; Utah State (11-2) 23; Brigham Young 20; North Carolina 19; Northern Illinois (12-2) 19; Tulsa (11-3) 9; Ohio 8; San Jose State (11-2) 8; Arizona 5; Cincinnati (10-3) 3; East Carolina 3; Kent State 3; Mississippi State 3; Washington 3; Central Florida 2; Arkansas 1; Arkansas State 1; Rutgers 1; Tennessee 1; Toledo 1.
And yes, Louisville's highest start ever, better than the #10/11 we started in the 2007 polls. And everyone in front of us, except Ohio St, plays at least one of the other teams in front of us. Definitely chances to move up as they lose.
And everyone in front of us, except Ohio St, plays at least one of the other teams in front of us. Definitely chances to move up as they lose. ;)
Dang, not one but two PAC teams ahead of us.
Don't worry... We got this.
Arkansas got one vote, I'm so happy!
Arkansas got one vote, I'm so happy!
From Bielema?
Seriously, though: I can't imagine Arkansas went from having enough talent to compete and be in the top 10 to not warranting at least *one* vote in this poll over a single year. While I don't know how well Bielema will do compared with Petrino, I suspect he's got enough coaching talent to lift this team into the top 35 or so teams in the country.
For sh!ts and giggles, here are the coaches' preseason and final polls for 2012. Numbers in parentheses are the rank in the final poll.
Looks like the coaches did OK -- they had 5 of the top 10 teams (though not in the right order), and three of the top 4. But they whiffed badly on a few (USC, Notre Dame, A&M).
For the life of me I can't remember why anyone thought USC was going to be so good. I mean, Lane Kiffin is still the coach, right?
PRESEASON
1. LSU (12)
2. Alabama (1)
3. USC (NR)
4. Oklahoma (15)
5. Oregon (2)
6. Georgia (4)
7. Florida State (8)
8. Michigan (26)
9. South Carolina (7)
10. Arkansas (32)
FINAL
1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Texas A&M
6. Stanford
7. South Carolina
8. Florida State
9. Clemson
10. Florida
Thank god for Michigan and Arkansas.
Man, there should not be any polls until halfway through the season
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