Pokemon Gotta Catch-Em-All

Well, I got the announcement of the release of Pokémon home right, but that’s about it.

New expansions might be cool. It’s better than buying a third version of the game, I suppose. And I guess these are the vehicle for introducing old Pokémon to Sword and Shield once they’ve been developed to the new engine.

It’s also a nice touch that everyone can transfer to Sword and Shield the old Pokémon that are introduced to the expansions without having to buy the expansions. I mean, it doesn’t seem ridiculous that Gamefreak would gate something like that behind a paywall, so it’s still a nice surprise.

TBH, that Galarian Articuno looked pretty good.

Edit: may have been off a bit. I didn’t see the first half, so it looks like there will be some new legendaries or something that you can only get with the expansion pass. So that part is normal.

Well, technically there's a remake of the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon coming to Switch, but that was such a minor footnote compared to the expansion pass information.

Similarly to you Garion, not even close to real progress in Shield, so the Expansion isn't entirely tempting to me right now. Still, looks neat.

ccesarano wrote:

Well, technically there's a remake of the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon coming to Switch, but that was such a minor footnote compared to the expansion pass information.

I'm way more interested in that. I'll at least download the demo this afternoon.

Those expansions looked far more ambitious than I was expected. Granted, they look pretty early in development, but the concept art looks great. I'm thrilled to see that they'll be open areas with full camera control, like the Wild Area.

I'm sure people are going to throw a fit about the price ($30 per expansion), but I'm much more likely to grab these than I would have been to pick up a brand new version where I had to start over from scratch. This also allows the expansion content to all be post-game, so hopefully it will be on the more challenging side.

Dyni wrote:

I'm sure people are going to throw a fit about the price ($30 per expansion),

I might have misheard but I thought they said it was $30 for both? One expansion pass but it includes both zones?

But there's one expansion for each game (Sword and Shield). It's another $60 total if you're the type who buys both games.

Ah! True point. I forgot that's a thing that people do, though I really shouldn't have.

I mean, considering you'd have spent $120 on the base game...

ccesarano wrote:
Dyni wrote:

I'm sure people are going to throw a fit about the price ($30 per expansion),

I might have misheard but I thought they said it was $30 for both? One expansion pass but it includes both zones?

Oh, you're right. Well that's good. I saw "$29.99 each" and assumed it was per expansion, but I guess that meant for each expansion pass version.

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They've started a web-series for Pokemon on the official YouTube channel. One episode per month until July.

I'm pretty amused that the localization team of the game did their best to incorporate UK style lingo, slang, and talk without being too obnoxious about it, whereas the dub of this animation is just "Everyone's American".

Gosh, these rental teams in the battle tower are such a nice addition. I really, really hope they add some more over time. I'm finally starting to understand the point of so many of the "useless" moves you get along the way, especially for 2v2 battles. They combat dynamics for 2v2 seem so deep compared to solo battles.

I understand why Pokemon is super easy and focused on capturing and overpowering your opponents, but I would kill for a version that was focused on 2v2 battles and designed to be challenging from start to finish. This is the most fun I've had with the Pokemon battle system since Red/Blue.

Dyni wrote:

I understand why Pokemon is super easy and focused on capturing and overpowering your opponents, but I would kill for a version that was focused on 2v2 battles and designed to be challenging from start to finish. This is the most fun I've had with the Pokemon battle system since Red/Blue.

Temtem feels like it's literally this.

Yeah, Temtem has been getting a lot of coverage recently, and seems to be generally liked, if still incomplete. Still, $35 for an incomplete game seems like a pretty steep price to gamble on.

That said, it looks like they’re doing the increase-the-price-as-we-go thing, so I guess if people really want in, nows the best time. I’m sort of interested, but I’ll want to hear more on it first. If someone takes it for a spin, go ahead and post your thoughts.

EDIT: FWIW, if difficulty is what you want, there are any number of Pokemon ROM hacks out there that are supposed to be harder and/or better balanced. I haven't played one before, but I'm sort of interested in checking some of the the better rated ones out sometime.

milkolate wrote:
Dyni wrote:

I understand why Pokemon is super easy and focused on capturing and overpowering your opponents, but I would kill for a version that was focused on 2v2 battles and designed to be challenging from start to finish. This is the most fun I've had with the Pokemon battle system since Red/Blue.

Temtem feels like it's literally this.

Yes! I jumped in a couple nights ago. Based the 3 hours I have played so far, it is exactly that. Unfortunately, it just launched in early access, so I have had several disconnects and a few crashes, but what I have played so far has been very promising. I've already had to put more thought into the actual combat than I did during my first 40 hours of Sword and Shield.

I'll probably throw up a thread for it soon.

And now we have details on Pokemon Home.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/po...

Key takeaway is that there is a free and a paid version, and the paid version is $16 per year, almost as much as Switch online for a year. Not a huge amount by any stretch, but still a bit disappointing, especially considering the PokeBank on the 3DS was about $5 per year, and this doesn't have that much more functionality. Paid seems to have twice as much storage as PokeBank did (which is going to be hard for most people to hit), and has an IV judging feature, which is already in the games. And the free version basically only has enough storage for one Box. I get they have to cover the costs of servers, but that just seems way too high a price for their perpetual revenue stream.

I had a complete pokedex as of UltraSun, and was considering keeping everyone in the cloud service when it launched to make things easy. But I may rethink that now.

Folks will rightfully gripe, but then they'll pay it. I feel bad for you hardcore, longterm Pokemon fans as they continually drain every penny from you they can.

garion333 wrote:

Folks will rightfully gripe, but then they'll pay it. I feel bad for you hardcore, longterm Pokemon fans as they continually drain every penny from you they can.

Pretty much. It'll take longer than normal before I get around to rationalizing it this time, though.

Sundown wrote:

PokeBank on the 3DS was about $5 per year, and this doesn't have that much more functionality.

I thought it said that Home would have GTS trades, and trade rooms (like we could have a GWJ trade hub)? That's a major couple of features that go a long way towards justifying the cost. I'm just happy that there will be a game-independant way to interact with other players.

Yeah, it does have those, but those have also been built into the games themselves since Gen 4. I’m not going to yell about them stripping those features out of the games to put them behind a paywall since the free version does have the trading features built in (and you can trade more Pokémon at once through GTS and Wonder Trade with the paid version which is a decent perk), but personally I thought it was more convenient to have those features built into the games themselves and not in an app outside the game.

Is Pokemon Sword a good entry for a complete Pokemon newbie. Last time I played a Pokemon game was Blue/Red

The Let's Go games are probably the best because they're stripped back, but otherwise there's simply no bad Pokemon game to begin with. They're all designed to hand hold for newbies.

Seconding everything garion said.

I have been enjoying sword after not playing since gold/ silver. Biggest hurdle for me is not knowing a lot of the types for new pokemon and how fairy and steel fit into the match ups.

Yeah, Sword/Shield are great entry points.

I have a look-up table for pokemon type match-ups bookmarked on my phone, 'cos who's got time to memorize that shiz?

Jonman wrote:

Yeah, Sword/Shield are great entry points.

I have a look-up table for pokemon type match-ups bookmarked on my phone, 'cos who's got time to memorize that shiz?

I do appreciate that in the newer games once you have fought a Pokemon once, in every subsequent encounter the game straight up tells you which attacks will be effective etc.

Cronox wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Yeah, Sword/Shield are great entry points.

I have a look-up table for pokemon type match-ups bookmarked on my phone, 'cos who's got time to memorize that shiz?

I do appreciate that in the newer games once you have fought a Pokemon once, in every subsequent encounter the game straight up tells you which attacks will be effective etc.

Is that how it works, or is it on a type by type basis, like "you've used Fire moves against this Pokemon before so we'll remind you how that went, but you still don't know how well Psychic moves work"? I can't remember if I've seen the move list partially populated with effectivities.

Jonman wrote:
Cronox wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Yeah, Sword/Shield are great entry points.

I have a look-up table for pokemon type match-ups bookmarked on my phone, 'cos who's got time to memorize that shiz?

I do appreciate that in the newer games once you have fought a Pokemon once, in every subsequent encounter the game straight up tells you which attacks will be effective etc.

Is that how it works, or is it on a type by type basis, like "you've used Fire moves against this Pokemon before so we'll remind you how that went, but you still don't know how well Psychic moves work"? I can't remember if I've seen the move list partially populated with effectivities.

Cronox has it; once you battle a Pokemon once, it will tell you how effective all of your moves are each time you see it afterwards. Not limited to what elements you used before.

I realistically haven't played Pokemon since Red/Blue, but I've been enjoying the heck out of Sword. So much in fact I might actually buy the expansion pass (which I hardly ever do in any game)

Fastmav347 wrote:

I realistically haven't played Pokemon since Red/Blue, but I've been enjoying the heck out of Sword. So much in fact I might actually buy the expansion pass (which I hardly ever do in any game)

Nintendo's first party DLC always seems to be way too long tail - to whit:

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IF I'm still playing come summer, and still want more content, then maybe I'll plump for the expansion pass. Until then, I'll keep my money, thanks.

Oh I was under impression it was already out

Edit: it's also so unusual for me to be playing a game this early in its life cycle it seems.