NHL 2012-2013: Tentative deal early Sunday January 6

nihilo wrote:

(Strangely, I have no issue with spending the first 20 minutes of any hockey broadcast on the Leafs )

Weird, must be the same mysterious reason I don't mind that Jim Hughson retained his Canucks bias when he moved to CBC.

Gravey wrote:
nihilo wrote:

(Strangely, I have no issue with spending the first 20 minutes of any hockey broadcast on the Leafs )

Weird, must be the same mysterious reason I don't mind that Jim Hughson retained his Canucks bias when he moved to CBC. ;)

Btw, it has been years since Tie Domi punched that baby. He's not even on the Leafs now, you don't have to hold it against us anymore.

Vector wrote:

Coming from his perspective, media, celebrities, and sports stars tend to make asses of themselves by looking like idiots on twitter. It is good advice for those types. The risk isn't worth the reward. We don't like it but it is true. I don't like Miller's rule about not responding to people you don't know. Get rid of that rule and I think it's a pretty solid mindset for public figures, that aren't used to social media, to follow.

Basically, what I'm seeing is that, on the internet, almost everyone can come across as an idiot. An anonymous fool has nothing to lose while a a public figure has a lot. Best they avoid that risk.

This argument would hold more sway with me if it weren't for the fact that pretty much every other hockey media person I follow on Twitter acts like a normal human being, retweets occasionally, responds to people when it's reasonable, etc. Yes, as a pseudo-celebrity you have to have a thick skin for that kind of stuff, but you miss out on a lot of what makes Twitter great and unique if you follow those rules to the letter. You might as well just be manning @OfficialTSNNews or whatever the "headlines-only" Twitter account is, if you're not going to be yourself.

Ranger Rick wrote:
Vector wrote:

Coming from his perspective, media, celebrities, and sports stars tend to make asses of themselves by looking like idiots on twitter. It is good advice for those types. The risk isn't worth the reward. We don't like it but it is true. I don't like Miller's rule about not responding to people you don't know. Get rid of that rule and I think it's a pretty solid mindset for public figures, that aren't used to social media, to follow.

Basically, what I'm seeing is that, on the internet, almost everyone can come across as an idiot. An anonymous fool has nothing to lose while a a public figure has a lot. Best they avoid that risk.

This argument would hold more sway with me if it weren't for the fact that pretty much every other hockey media person I follow on Twitter acts like a normal human being, retweets occasionally, responds to people when it's reasonable, etc. Yes, as a pseudo-celebrity you have to have a thick skin for that kind of stuff, but you miss out on a lot of what makes Twitter great and unique if you follow those rules to the letter. You might as well just be manning @OfficialTSNNews or whatever the "headlines-only" Twitter account is, if you're not going to be yourself.

I would agree if I didn't get a great idea of how Miller interacts with his contemporaries and friends on twitter. He very much is himself he just doesn't interact with fans, at all.

You guys realize McGuire hasn't worked at TSN for one year right? He signed a contract with NBC (I think) and has a no-compete clause. He is allowed to participate in the WJC for TSN though. I'm okay with the Toronto bias since I find it hilarious. Least successful team in the NHL since the lockout yet full constant coverage and top billing. They are the biggest draw for Canada and TSN has national coverage. At least TSN isn't openly biased against other teams like CBC's commentators are.

About CBC and Hockey Night in Canada, f*ck'em. Seriously. I hope they lose the license. I like Friedman, Hughson, and Hrudey. The rest are angry, ranting, and/or incompetent. Friedman is only good because of his 30 Thoughts articles. As a Canuck fan I love Hughson, so that's my bias. Hrudey actually gives really interesting analysis during his Behind the Mask segment. He also doesn't come across as pushing an agenda.

Vector wrote:

I would agree if I didn't get a great idea of how Miller interacts with his contemporaries and friends on twitter. He very much is himself he just doesn't interact with fans, at all.

And I guess if he wants to do that, he's free to, it's his account, I just think he's missing out on a lot of what gives Twitter its charm.

Vector wrote:

You guys realize McGuire hasn't worked at TSN for one year right? He signed a contract with NBC (I think) and has a no-compete clause.

Oh, believe me, I know. I find him incredibly annoying and hate that I always end up having to hear him on national broadcasts.

As for TSN broadcasts, I don't see them here in Raleigh, so I guess I'm saved from the "all-[pick your Canadian team]" talk except for when I hear Canadian broadcasters on NHL network.

Ranger Rick wrote:
Vector wrote:

I would agree if I didn't get a great idea of how Miller interacts with his contemporaries and friends on twitter. He very much is himself he just doesn't interact with fans, at all.

And I guess if he wants to do that, he's free to, it's his account, I just think he's missing out on a lot of what gives Twitter its charm.

I think he is too but he also not the most interesting guy in the world. Gord Miller is just a play-by-play guy. A very good one on the country's biggest sports network but that's all he is. His job is to be neutral. When he tweets to his coworkers it's actually pretty entertaining because all they do is make fun of each other. I learn more about their personality from that than from tweeting to random fans.

Vector wrote:

You guys realize McGuire hasn't worked at TSN for one year right? He signed a contract with NBC (I think) and has a no-compete clause.

Oh, believe me, I know. I find him incredibly annoying and hate that I always end up having to hear him on national broadcasts.

As for TSN broadcasts, I don't see them here in Raleigh, so I guess I'm saved from the "all-[pick your Canadian team]" talk except for when I hear Canadian broadcasters on NHL network.

The weird thing with McGuire is that he is extremely knowledgable about hockey and very quiet in person. He chooses to act like a loudmouth on TV. I think that's because he's upset that he hasn't got another chance at being an NHL GM and by making himself well known to the public he won't be forgotten when those opportunities arise. There are times when I really like McGuire but that's when he is somber and pointing out something that no one else noticed. Those are few and far between, though.

It's too bad you don't get TSN. They obviously give top billing to Canadian teams but a lot of their games are American vs American due to broadcast rights. James Duthie is an excellent host and Bob McKenzie (can't get more Canadian than that name) is the best in the business.

Cancelled through January 14th. Let's end this season now.

I saw Ryan Kesler getting his hair cut in a posh Yaletown salon tonight. So relieved to know the players are gettin' by.

MaxShrek wrote:

Cancelled through January 14th. Let's end this season now.

They will keep the hope alive until it would be impossible to play a 48 game season. I can't what date that would mean, but I think January 14th is close. This may be the last set of cancellations before they just out right cancel the season.

Well, they're talking again. Maybe something will happen.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I am glad they are at least trying.

Yay.

Dear Devils Fan:

The Devils organization is pleased to announce that it has completed a refinancing of its credit facilities with CIT Group acting as lead arranger. The organization believes that its successful refinancing during a work stoppage demonstrates the strength of the Devils franchise and the Prudential Center, enabling it to continue to execute on its business plan. In addition, in connection with the refinancing, Jeff Vanderbeek and his affiliated entities purchased the stakes of his co-owners, Brick City Hockey and its related entities.

Statement from Jeff Vanderbeek:

“Today’s announcement is good news for Devils fans though I fully recognize fans' frustration with the work stoppage. Our future is now secure and we can be confident of continued on-ice success. Our team has gone to the Stanley Cup Final 5 times in the last 17 years and following the most recent run to the Stanley Cup Final last year, we are excited about our future -- for Jersey's team and Prudential Center, home to the 2013 NHL Draft.

I am grateful to Mike Gilfillan and Brick City Hockey for our former partnership. Together we shared a passion that led to the building of the Prudential Center – truly a shining jewel of a facility and in my view one of the best arenas in the entire world. The Rock is a great legacy for which we will always be proud.”

Sincerely,

The New Jersey Devils

So my buddy calls me up last night and says a guy (Val) on his hockey team was on line with Bettman at a Deli in Mahwah, NJ. Val tries to contain himself but basically grills Bettman about when we're going to see some hockey.

In short, Bettman said a lot without saying anything.

Is there any hockey yet? No? Ok.

Back to watching the Bears and playing NHL 13. Call me when the rich people are done fighting.

50/50 split of revenue, salary cap, salary bottom, pension, a bunch of other sh*t fans don't care about. But games could start soon! Maybe..

Huzzah. It's about f'n time.

Seems like the NHL gave in on a few issues early this morning (7-year contract max, $64.3 million Year 2 cap) and that sealed the deal.

Sounds like we could have hockey as early as January 15th.

About time! Looking forward to watching hockey again soon I hope. With football winding down and the inability to watch soccer due to crappy cable channels, watching the Rangers will be fun again!

Guess we should start getting ready for the 2020-21 NHL lockout, where a 45% players' share of revenue and the defined benefit pension plan will be the points of contention.

Though if Montreal gets a new head coach and a general manager who isn't blind to the glaring holes in the lineup I'll probably get excited.

I know I should still be angry about this whole thing, but I can't help but be excited! Go, Jets, Go!

Bonnonon wrote:

Wierd... Burke fired...

Awesome! He was a disaster for the Toronto. I can't wait to hear Don Cherry gloat! LOL

I'm selling off all of my Ottawa Senator's stuff.... I'm done with hockey - this lockout was just too much. Neither the players or owners have my support any more.

When I ditched baseball it took me decades to come back to it.

My approach is to try to not get too emotionally invested into it. When the lockout happened I was a bit pissed, but just decided to have the mentality that there are plenty of other things to be entertained by. It's not unlike how I felt when I learned that Community was being pushed back to February - I love watching the show, but I've got other stuff to do if it's not on. So if there's hockey, great! If not, oh well. I don't look at it in terms of supporting the players or owners, but just paying to be entertained. I don't think they've done anything morally wrong, so I have no qualms on that front.

Bonnonon wrote:

Wierd... Burke fired...

What?? I know Burke hadn't delivered a winning Leafs team, but.. what?? This is terrible timing - two, three months ago would have been much better.

At least Dave Nonis is interim GM. He's quite good.

But what is going on with Leafs management.

nihilo wrote:

At least Dave Nonis is interim GM. He's quite good.

But what is going on with Leafs management.

I don't think there's an interim tag on Nonis. He's the permanent replacement.

B Dog wrote:
nihilo wrote:

At least Dave Nonis is interim GM. He's quite good.

But what is going on with Leafs management.

I don't think there's an interim tag on Nonis. He's the permanent replacement.

Really? Okay that makes the whole situation even more weird. Nonis and Burke are tight with each other. That they fired one and replaced him with the other makes me think there's a lot more under the surface with this story.

Can't get too upset over strikes and lockouts. Maybe if I paid money and didn't get a refund for games. But if leagues don't play, it is pretty frickin' easy to find something else to do. And last I checked, slavery is illegal in all of North America. If they don't want to play, it's not like we can make them.

Now that hockey is back, I can't wait to watch. Look like the Red Wings will be in St. Louis to open the season on the 19th, or so goes rumors in town.

nihilo wrote:
B Dog wrote:
nihilo wrote:

At least Dave Nonis is interim GM. He's quite good.

But what is going on with Leafs management.

I don't think there's an interim tag on Nonis. He's the permanent replacement.

Really? Okay that makes the whole situation even more weird. Nonis and Burke are tight with each other. That they fired one and replaced him with the other makes me think there's a lot more under the surface with this story.

I was listening to the local 1290 sports talk radio today, and the overall feeling is that this probably has to do with trying to get Luongo in Toronto. Burke didn't want to make a deal for him, and I they think the new owners do. So while his record with the organization was more then enough to fire his ass, the straw that may have broken the camels back is the possibility of getting Luongo.

Hey guys lets just use one thread for talking NHL and hockey.

I nominate this one.

I can't wait for the 19th. Long time coming.

I didn't notice the other thread until just now, but I'm happy to continue the conversation in either. In the past we've always made a new thread for each season. This one has carried on this long because of blah blah blah stuff I don't want to think about anymore.