NHL 2012-2013: Tentative deal early Sunday January 6

Luongo reminds me of Greg Norman. Great player, big time choker.

PAR

When has Luongo actually choked, though? Our losses the past three playoffs (to the cup champions each time) have been a team effort.

I don't really have all the stats etc w/ me nor do I really feel like looking for them but I've watched him a lot over the years and he's great during the regular season and just chokes during the playoffs. Kind of like the Red Wings the past 10 years or so.

Luongo has a 12-year, $64 million contract that runs through the 2021-22 season. During the regular season, he had a 31-14-8 record, five shutouts, a 2.41 goals-against average and a .919 save percentage. In the playoffs, he has a 3.59 goals-against average and a .891 save percentage.

From http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2012....

He's kind of an idiot too. Talking the way he did during the 2011 Finals against Boston... I actually started rooting for Boston due to his off-ice drama. But for the sake of arguments goalies need to be idiots

PAR

nihilo wrote:

File this under "Garth Snow is the craziest GM in the league":
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...

Snow offered every pick in this draft to Columbus in exchange for Columbus' #2 pick, Ryan Murray. Every pick in the draft. I don't have words for that level of crazy. What's more, Columbus' GM Howson didn't take it! Huh? Apparently they felt that the draft was very thin this year - but that's just nuts.

In other news, Luongo has apparently narrowed his list of acceptable trade partners down to just Florida:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/roberto-luongo-wants-florida-panthers-trade-canucks-asking-141402247--nhl.html

I think the Leafs will still chase him (who he's willing to accept a trade to can change), but I don't know.. it's not looking too good right now.

re Garth Snow: I think there is some actual logic to it. They have had so many picks, and picks worth signing, over the years that they are running out of contract spots. They identified Murray as someone they wanted and could afford to give up the picks to get him. Bold move but works if you've sucked like the Islanders have.

re Scott Howson: Also makes sense that they rejected the deal. It is a weak draft and Murray might be the closest player to a guarantee. They also fired 3 of their scouts right after their draft so I'm guessing they weren't impressed with their work. Adding those picks when they probably weren't confident in their draft list wouldn't have been productive.

re Luongo: Bob McKenzie has this to say

Bob McKenzie's twitter wrote:

Lots of Luongo talk about waiving/not waiving NTC. Here's my take: Process has yet to be that formal. His obvious perference is FLA but... if FLA doesn't pan out, doors to TOR or elsewhere are not by any means closed. Step by step process that hasn't be formalized in any way. End of day, Luongo has to make sure he doesn't end up in CHI...with AHL Wolves. Right now, tho, FLA and TOR think VAN asking price too high.

par wrote:

I don't really have all the stats etc w/ me nor do I really feel like looking for them but I've watched him a lot over the years and he's great during the regular season and just chokes during the playoffs. Kind of like the Red Wings the past 10 years or so.

Luongo has a 12-year, $64 million contract that runs through the 2021-22 season. During the regular season, he had a 31-14-8 record, five shutouts, a 2.41 goals-against average and a .919 save percentage. In the playoffs, he has a 3.59 goals-against average and a .891 save percentage.

From http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2012....

He's kind of an idiot too. Talking the way he did during the 2011 Finals against Boston... I actually started rooting for Boston due to his off-ice drama. But for the sake of arguments goalies need to be idiots

PAR

Choking goalies don't take their teams to game seven of the Stanley Cup Finals.

What did he say during the Finals? What off-ice drama? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

His twitter account is also the best in sports. He's extremely self-deprecating. https://twitter.com/#!/strombone1

lol, uh, yes they do. He gave up 23 goals to Boston in the Finals. THE FINALS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_St...

And then giving up 3 goals in game 7? I'd define that as a choke. Ya ya defense and all that... but he was losing it the last 4 games of that series.

"It's not hard if you're playing in the paint," Luongo said. "It's an easy save for me, but if you're wandering out and aggressive like he does, that's going to happen. He might make some saves that I won't, but in a case like that, we want to take advantage of a bounce like that and make sure we're in good position to bury those."
"I have been pumping his tires ever since the series started," Luongo said. "I haven't heard one nice thing he had to say about me. That's the way it is."

I haven't heard one nice thing he had to say about me? Huh? Drama queen

PAR

par wrote:

lol, uh, yes they do. He gave up 23 goals to Boston in the Finals. THE FINALS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_St...

And then giving up 3 goals in game 7? I'd define that as a choke. Ya ya defense and all that... but he was losing it the last 4 games of that series.

"It's not hard if you're playing in the paint," Luongo said. "It's an easy save for me, but if you're wandering out and aggressive like he does, that's going to happen. He might make some saves that I won't, but in a case like that, we want to take advantage of a bounce like that and make sure we're in good position to bury those."
"I have been pumping his tires ever since the series started," Luongo said. "I haven't heard one nice thing he had to say about me. That's the way it is."

I haven't heard one nice thing he had to say about me? Huh? Drama queen

PAR

I was at a lot of those games. 3 he was terrible and 4 he was excellent. Problem was the team scored how many goals in game 7? He had two shuts outs in the Final as well.

Tim Thomas is a self-righteous asshole who abandoned his team twice. I don't have a single nice thing to say about him. Luongo compliments his opponents and expects, and gets, the same back. Thomas is a dick.

Vector wrote:

Tim Thomas is a self-righteous asshole who abandoned his team twice. I don't have a single nice thing to say about him. Luongo compliments his opponents and expects, and gets, the same back. Thomas is a dick.

I'm not talking about Thomas I'm talking about Luongo. I'm sorry, we can agree to disagree but there's no need to get angry at me. I inferred that you wanted me to prove it so I did.

23 goals in 7 games is pretty damning especially 3 given up in a game 7 Vancouver could have scored as much as they did in ANY other game in that series and they still would have lost.

PAR

par wrote:

Vancouver could have scored as much as they did in ANY other game in that series and they still would have lost.

Indicating that they probably should have scored a lot more goals, or maybe played defence.

Salary cap is reportedly going up, rather than down:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/nhls-salary-cap-rises-59-million-to-702-million/article4376846/

That's a bit unexpected. Maybe good news for the upcoming cba talks?

Quick agrees to terms on a 10 year, $58 million contract extension.

*Legion* wrote:

Quick agrees to terms on a 10 year, $58 million contract extension.

Good move. I liked Quick 3 years ago and to see him get a Cup already is great. LA was my sleeper team and I rooted for them once the Wings got bumped off(saw that coming 2 months before the playoffs started)

I have high hopes for the Wings in the post season though. We finally have some room to spend money. I would love to see an effort to get Suter and either Parise or Doan. Or somehow all 3. I might pee a little if we got all 3. 1-2 would make me happy.

*Legion* wrote:

Quick agrees to terms on a 10 year, $58 million contract extension.

Wow thats great. He really deserves it.

PAR

I'm conflicted about the Parise and Suter signings. On the one hand, hurray. But, on the other, I'm a college hockey fan first and they went to North Dakota and Wisconsin respectively so f*ck those guys.

edit: The Wild also signed Jake Dowell so there are four goddamn Badgers on this team. I don't know if I can watch them anymore.

FWIW, Parise was born and raised in Minnesota and only spent two years at North Dakota.

So happy; at least 6 new regulars next year I'd hope and all those promoted 3rd liners back on the 3rd and 4th lines gives every shift the possibility of interesting happenings. Having trouble containing my giddiness, fortunately it's the 4th so people won't notice once they start drinking!

Koz wrote:

FWIW, Parise was born and raised in Minnesota and only spent two years at North Dakota.

Oh, I am well aware of Zach Parise's past. Going to North Dakota is not a forgivable act.

I'm sure you'll get over it.

So is it just me or is the "Hometown/Family" factor in terms of FA signings, trades, and drafting much more of a thing this year than, well, ever?

Here's what I can think of off the top of my head:

- Parise & Suter sign with Minny, as they both want to be near their family/hometowns.
- Latendresse signs with Ottawa to be near MTL.
- Staal traded & signs long term w/ Carolina to be with brother.
- Schenn brothers united in philly.
- Oilers Draft Mitch Moroz, Alberta kid who plays junior in Edmonton
- Senators draft Cody Ceci, both born and plays junior in Ottawa.
- Senators trade for Methot, local kid.

I'm sure I'm forgetting more. That's not to say that there aren't a lot more trades/draft picks/FA pickups that have nothing to do with the family/hometown factor (especially given all the european players), but I just feel like it's especially prevalent this off-season.

It does seem to be a theme this year; I'm wondering how much of it is due to imminent rearrangement/rezoning/re-something-or-other of the divisions? (The word for that has been teasing me at the edge of my mind for 10 minutes now and it's starting to tick me off.)

It got nixed this year due to looming labor issues, but the travel disparity between East and West should be a fair bit improved after it happens. In the past it seemed like the easier travel schedule was often cited as one of the reasons players wanted to sign out East. It seems that for big-name free agents there are frequently a bunch of teams offering basically about the same deal give or take a year or a couple million*, so I think travel might have been a big incentive before when there weren't many ways to set your offer apart from everyone else's. Money, travel, family, contender/organization quality. If money is about the same and travel becomes more equitable it seems like players can really cherry pick the perfect spot for themselves now.

I just hope the trend continues for other cities; I get tired of what seems like every free agent signing in the Atlantic or Pacific divisions.

*it's so easy to throw away a couple million for someone else, they've got 50, they don't need 52!

The Jets have been pretty busy since July 1st. We signed Ponikarovsky first and reunited him with Antropov, and hopefully Wellwood. We got Olli Jokinen as well. That got us the big center we needed for the Kane line. Yesterday we signed Montoya as our backup goal tender, here's hoping he is over that concussion Kane gave him last year. I still can't believe Mason signed with Nashville, boourns!

And according to Chevy we may not be done yet. Which means we are probably still looking to sign another forward and hopefully resign Wellwood. Of course we also still need to sign Kane, but as he is an RFA, I have no doubts that will happen, it's just a matter of time.

Don't forget Brad Stuart to the Sharks because he wanted to be in CA with his family....

Shultz wanted to play in Canada...

realignment...

goman wrote:

Shultz wanted to play in Canada...

realignment...

Yeah, but if we went by the "hometown" rule Schultz would have signed with Vancouver, as he's from Kelowna, BC, firmly in Canucks territory.

In terms of hometown counterproductiveness, Montreal is actually the worst. I seem to remember several Quebecers publicly stating that they would hate playing in Montreal, given the expectations and the media frenzy around local players. In Minny, I don't think Parise will get THAT scrutinized if he was a hometown kid, in Montreal, someone like Lecavalier or Brodeur would get torched for every bad pass.

Dysplastic wrote:

In Minnesota, I don't think Parise will get THAT scrutinized if he was a hometown kid

There is extreme homer-ism around here, especially when it comes to hockey. Zach's a two-fer since he's from here and he's J.P. Parise's son. He'll have to be a spectacular bomb for people to criticize him. Although, as I've already demonstrated in this thread, I would guess a good chunk of University of Minnesota hockey fans will be less willing to cut him some slack because of his choice of college.

Also, fixed you post because I hate that that "nickname" has become the states de facto name in sports media.

When's the last time a Stanley Cup winner lost not a single player?

LA has re-signed Dustin Penner, which means they now have their entire active roster back under contract again.

Of course, they may still make roster moves, moving or replacing players by choice, but they are officially not "losing" a single player from the playoff team to free agency.

Main roster question now is if the team shops Jonathan Bernier or if they hold onto him and wait for a better deal later.

Dysplastic wrote:

So is it just me or is the "Hometown/Family" factor in terms of FA signings, trades, and drafting much more of a thing this year than, well, ever?

Here's what I can think of off the top of my head:

- Parise & Suter sign with Minny, as they both want to be near their family/hometowns.
- Latendresse signs with Ottawa to be near MTL.
- Staal traded & signs long term w/ Carolina to be with brother.
- Schenn brothers united in philly.
- Oilers Draft Mitch Moroz, Alberta kid who plays junior in Edmonton
- Senators draft Cody Ceci, both born and plays junior in Ottawa.
- Senators trade for Methot, local kid.

I'm sure I'm forgetting more. That's not to say that there aren't a lot more trades/draft picks/FA pickups that have nothing to do with the family/hometown factor (especially given all the european players), but I just feel like it's especially prevalent this off-season.

concerning Ottawa Melnyk was in the paper recently saying he is willing to spend but only on people who want to be in Ottawa. It was related to the Nash rumors and since Ottawa was not on his list the Sens stopped trying to pursue him. Makes me happy as I wanted 0 to do with Nash especially if it meant gutting a bunch of the youth.

I think after the Heatley debacle thats going to be a major theme for the future. Works for me. Means we end up with quality players like Alfredsson and Philips who end up playing their entire careers here.

Anybody see the preliminary owner offer for the new CBA? From Yahoo!Sports:

RDS.ca posted details of the proposal, including a reduction of players' hockey-related revenues from 57 per cent to 46 per cent.
Renaud Lavoie, a journalist with RDS, also reports that players would need to wait 10 seasons before becoming unrestricted free agents and that contracts would be limited to a maximum of five years.

The RDS story also says that the NHL's proposal would bring an end to salary arbitration and that entry-level contracts would be five years instead of three as they are under the current CBA.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post also tweeted that the NHL's proposal would eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals have an equal value for every year of the contract.

MaxShrek wrote:

Anybody see the preliminary owner offer for the new CBA? From Yahoo!Sports:

RDS.ca posted details of the proposal, including a reduction of players' hockey-related revenues from 57 per cent to 46 per cent.
Renaud Lavoie, a journalist with RDS, also reports that players would need to wait 10 seasons before becoming unrestricted free agents and that contracts would be limited to a maximum of five years.

The RDS story also says that the NHL's proposal would bring an end to salary arbitration and that entry-level contracts would be five years instead of three as they are under the current CBA.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post also tweeted that the NHL's proposal would eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals have an equal value for every year of the contract.

Doesn't sound like a very good offer, but it is the opening offer and I imagine a lot of that is negotiable. If they opened up with what will eventually end up being the final agreement, the NHLPA would ask for more and then we would be truly screwed!

This is obviously just the case of the opening offer and expecting heavy negotiation, but man the owners didn't give a bloody thing as far as I can tell and asked for plenty. It might be just the opening salvo, but it does not fill me with hope that the season will start on time.