NFL 2012 Wild Card Week Thread

RGIII was at least walking off the field at the end, which gives some hope that it's not a hugely bad injury. It's not like he blew his ACL and was casually strolling across midfield after the gun went off.

Now stay in the damn pocket and pass, Robert.

I think DC should consider itself lucky if Griffin is lining up behind center in Week 1 of the 2013 season.

As for the 'Hawks, Wilson wasn't super sharp, but he was good enough. And Lynch was pretty beastly (except for that fumble - ouch).

Four good games next week. I think the SEAHawks can take out the ATLHawks. SEA will have to score more, though.

I sure hope RG3 is okay and it was just a bad sprain cause that sure looked nasty in replay. It was fun getting to see RG3 go all out on that first drive (I'd say the second scoring drive was more about the Seahawk defense being gassed) but from that point on it was just the waiting game for the Seahawks to take the lead and win the game. The stats people were clearly right that Russell Wilson struggles with blitzes, he just becomes an average quarterback if you blitz him all the time.

I really hope RG3 will be at full strength for next season, he just seems like he'll get even better with a year or two under his belt.

Bill Barnwell ‏@billbarnwell
Worth noting that the Redskins chose not to re-sod the turf in FedEx Field this week.

and add me to the list of people who think Shanahan is an idiot for almost killing RG3. Sure Cousins didn't exactly tear it up once he got in but he also was dead in the water from even having a chance.

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pretty much sums up what is going through my head every time I watch RG3. I'm terrified.

Stele wrote:

Seahawks at Redskins: The Seahawks may very well win but I'm really starting to hate them and will pick against them every week. :p

I can't explain how much it means to me that the Hawks are good enough to be hated!

Just saw the highlights of Lynch. The one hand stab fumble recovery was amazing. Makes me dream of the potential if the packers had traded for him instead that season and they were supposedly seriously in the mix.

Also russlle was trying to get out and block on multiple plays... is this a playoffs situation? I've seen other qbs do it once and awhile but if he wants to add this consistently he's going to get his clock cleaned.

If the Redskins lose it's all on Shanahan. It's been clear for the last few series that RGIII shouldn't be out there, and you've already had success with Cousins this year. Just stupid to keep him out there.

I am going to try and hold it in but I am in the mood to be a really sore loser right now.

It was not the defense that blew the game. They did everything they could. They had 5 sacks, a turnover and 2 near turnovers. After giving up the lead, they held on a first and goal on the 5 to keep the game to within 10 points. They held Seattle for 3 quarters when their offense did nothing. Nothing because they decided to ignore Alfred Morris. Redskins run on first down = back to back TDs. Redskins don't run on first down and they get 0 points, RG3's knee buckles and Seattle fumbles their way to the lead.

Seriously, the turn around for the game was the third Skins possession when they essentially punt by throwing that long interception on the first play. The Skins never really get the ball back before the half due to Seattle's long drives and suddenly the score is 14-13.

Then in the second half, they try to balance the run with pass but the run seems more to emphasize RG3 (who amazing can still hobble for 7 yards with an injured knee) than Morris. Seattle seemed to have slowed Morris some but he hardly got any touches to prove it. And still they just "may" have "slowed" him. He wasn't getting 7-12 yards per carry but he was getting 3-5 yards with a only a couple of no gains.

If you have a lead and your running back is still averaging 3+ yards per carry, you'd better use him. Let me count the reasons: it keeps your defense off the field, it keeps the opponents offense off the field, it tires out the opponents D, it demoralizes the opponent, it puts less pressure on your hobbling star QB, it chews up time to give your opponent less time to gain the lead.

And I am sorry, Wilson is very athletic and a great open field runner, but he does not hold a candle to RG3 in running the read option.

So I am hard pressed (biased) to see the Seahawks were the better team. They really did not inspire confidence of being a giant killer on par with the Skins.

But hey, hats off to Seattle on the win. I really hope they pick it up next week. (if only to make me feel better)

fangblackbone wrote:

Nothing because they decided to ignore Alfred Morris

Part of that is also that they couldn't get any sustained drives going, though, right? I mean, it's not like they were asking RG3 to throw it a bunch in the last 3 quarters (I believe I saw 9 passes in the 1st and then just 10 the rest of the way). Time of possession: 1st Quarter: WAS - 11:01, SEA: 3:59, Rest of Game: WAS - 14:39, SEA - 30:21. That's the killer right there - you can't hand the ball off to your RB if you don't have it in the first place. I will say, though, in general, they did keep handing the ball to Morris until the end of the 3rd quarter, when this sequence happened:

1st and 10 at WSH 6 (Shotgun) R.Griffin sacked at WAS 2 for -4 yards (A.Branch).
2nd and 14 at WSH 2 (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to J.Morgan.
3rd and 14 at WSH 2 (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass short middle to P.Garcon to WAS 10 for 8 yards (B.Wagner).

I have no idea why the OC would do that when they were still having relative success with the run.

Seriously, the turn around for the game was the third Skins possession when they essentially punt by throwing that long interception on the first play.

I'd say the turning point was Lynch luckily scooping up that fumble. Of course, that luck turned the other way later with Lynch losing a fumble, but the first one might have ended up putting the game out of reach. It was 14-3 at that point, and while there's no guarantee that WAS would have driven down for another score, 21-3 would have been pretty tough to overcome.

And I am sorry, Wilson is very athletic and a great open field runner, but he does not hold a candle to RG3 in running the read option.

That's not too surprising. Didn't RG3 run something very similar in college? Wilson ran much more traditional offenses in college and SEA didn't even incorporate their version of the read option until late in the year this year.

Living in DC for 18 months I can safely say that the sound you hear this morning is several hundred thousand RG III Jerseys being folded up and tucked away..only to be replaced with their neatly pressed but ready to go Ray Lewis Jerseys... "Fans"

TheGameguru wrote:

Living in DC for 18 months I can safely say that the sound you hear this morning is several hundred thousand RG III Jerseys being folded up and tucked away..only to be replaced with their neatly pressed but ready to go Ray Lewis Jerseys... "Fans"

lol.

There is a bit of that, but I am not so sure it is a big deal. Lots of folks have an AFC and NFC team. Why not have them both be local?

TheGameguru wrote:

Living in DC for 18 months I can safely say that the sound you hear this morning is several hundred thousand RG III Jerseys being folded up and tucked away..only to be replaced with their neatly pressed but ready to go Ray Lewis Jerseys... "Fans"


TrashiDawa wrote:
Stele wrote:

Seahawks at Redskins: The Seahawks may very well win but I'm really starting to hate them and will pick against them every week. :p

I can't explain how much it means to me that the Hawks are good enough to be hated!

Just curious, why are the Hawks so hated? As a transplant to Seattle they aren't my childhood team but I have adopted them alongside the Bears and Colts. Is it because of the bs call a few weeks ago that wasn't their fault but the refs?

My guess is that it has more to do with hating Pete Carroll, but I could be wrong. Nothing Seattle could do about how that game went down with the replacement officials.

DSGamer wrote:

My guess is that it has more to do with hating Pete Carroll, but I could be wrong. Nothing Seattle could do about how that game went down with the replacement officials.

*nod*

Gumbie wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

My guess is that it has more to do with hating Pete Carroll, but I could be wrong. Nothing Seattle could do about how that game went down with the replacement officials.

*nod*

I can't hate on him...afterall he's...

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Trying to run up the score, multiple players that have failed PED tests, benefiting from replacement ref calls. I don't hate them, but I can see why some could.

Ouch, here's the replay of the play that ended RG3's night. For the faint of heart, please avert your eyes.

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I watched that vid just once. That's all I could stand.

Two ways to look at this game:

WAS lost: Shanahan put a one-legged QB out there and didn't have a game plan (i.e. panicked) for when DC fell behind. It's a mystery to me, too, why Albert Morris got only 5 carries after halftime. The Hawks didn't take the lead until 11 mins to go in the game. DC had plenty of time to throw Morris at them (and could have run him even after that).

SEA won: In fact, SEA dominated. The D held DC to 203 yards. That's a win almost every time. SEA also racked up 380 yards, including 224 on the ground. SEA wasn't always consistent, but they made enough big plays to move the chains, hold the ball and score points.

Also, it could have been worse. Lynch's fumble meant SEA came out of the red zone with no points (and still trailing by one). On the next drive, Wilson missed a wide open Doug Baldwin in the end zone. DC sacked Wilson on the next play and knocked the 'Hawks out of FG range.

By late in the third, I figured Seattle was going to score and take the lead. It was just a matter of when and how.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Trying to run up the score, multiple players that have failed PED tests, benefiting from replacement ref calls. I don't hate them, but I can see why some could.

Yeah I still don't get that one. One of their DBs was suspended for the 49ers game, had an appeal hearing, the appeal wasn't decided on yet, and he was somehow allowed to play? Just having an appeal hearing apparently gets you off with no penalty? Maybe I should be mad at the league's stupid rules and not Seattle on that one, but wtf...

I think most sports allow a player to play while an appeal is in process. Otherwise they can have a suspension they already served overturned.

fangblackbone wrote:

So I am hard pressed (biased) to see the Seahawks were the better team. They really did not inspire confidence of being a giant killer on par with the Skins.

The quality of the team has to include the quality of the coaching. Washington made some questionable to terrible coaching moves, starting with the RGIII debacle.

Jayhawker wrote:

I think most sports allow a player to play while an appeal is in process. Otherwise they can have a suspension they already served overturned.

This is exactly why the rule is treated that way. Had the suspension been upheld, he would have missed the playoff game, wouldn't he?

Stele wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

Trying to run up the score, multiple players that have failed PED tests, benefiting from replacement ref calls. I don't hate them, but I can see why some could.

Yeah I still don't get that one. One of their DBs was suspended for the 49ers game, had an appeal hearing, the appeal wasn't decided on yet, and he was somehow allowed to play? Just having an appeal hearing apparently gets you off with no penalty? Maybe I should be mad at the league's stupid rules and not Seattle on that one, but wtf... :?

The Williamses for the Vikings did the same thing for over an entire season didn't they?

LeapingGnome wrote:

Trying to run up the score.

I don't get this at all, this isn't NCAA where teams play teams with wildly disparate skill levels. With the parity in the NFL no win is cheap and high scoring games don't happen in a vacuum; how about the opposing team stop their asses?

@enix:

It actually could have been way worse which is why I am not too keen on Wilson. There were 2 deep balls for scores that Wilson over threw by 5 yards. Well really, going back to what legion said, if he puts like 2+ degrees more arc on those throws, they are caught for TDs. I think both of those were in the first half? And then there was a guy wide open about 50 yards down the field and Wilson never sees him. He was 10 yards behind the defender and the inside safety help was 15 yards to the inside and covering another receiver.

But then we start playing woulda, coulda, shoulda. Because the momentum would have been extremely different in Bowen(?) comes up with the pick in the end zone when the Skins were up 14 nothing. Also, there was that fumble that if the Skins pick up (they had first chance before Lynch scoops it) , he is down the field a long ways. Also, there was a London Fletcher near pick 6 later in the game that bounces of his chest.

But I still think that long pick/punt was significant. It looks like I was wrong and the score was 14-10 at that point with 4 and change left in the quarter. Now to me, you ram Morris at Seattle and at the least give them no chance to score again in the half. Instead, you hand the ball right back to Seattle. I blame RG3 2/3 of that. One, he threw it to someone that wasn't open and it had enough air on it for the 2 defenders to recover. Two, there was a guy wide open on the left hand sideline 10-15 yards down field.

But I feel the execution was lacking in the second half on the Skins offense. The bad snaps killed many drives and eventually knocked Griffin out of the game. So maybe the rookie replacement at guard had some tangible impact. There were also a few passes that were not as sharp as they could have been but the receiver gave up on them when they should have been caught.

Sorry, I want to give Seattle more credit but I didn't see much of anything on D until Cousins came in at quarterback and on O about 3 nice runs from Lynch (the touchdown for sure).

Like I said, well I guess I am not really a sore loser but just really disappointed in the way my team played. I hope it is not indicative of how things will go next season. And honestly, up until RG3 came back to the sideline, I was thinking to myself he is either gone for next season or for good. Now, after seeing him come back to the sideline, I am desperately hoping he can avoid Vick's career because I see it as far too likely.

TrashiDawa wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

Trying to run up the score.

I don't get this at all, this isn't NCAA where teams play teams with wildly disparate skill levels. With the parity in the NFL no win is cheap and high scoring games don't happen in a vacuum; how about the opposing team stop their asses?

I agree with this, even the worst team in the league can compete with the best. Belichick does this with New England, and will leave Tom Brady in a blowout. I say good for him. With that in mind, when Tom Brady blows out his knee in the 4th quarter of a 58-0 romp, Belichick will have to face the music of why he kept him out there.

OK, I want everyone to realize that even though I post this, I wish nothing but the best for RG3, and hope he is able to come back from this injury.

But this was too funny NOT to post, people are WAY to quick coming up with these:

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Sorry, I want to give Seattle more credit but I didn't see much of anything on D until Cousins came in at quarterback and on O about 3 nice runs from Lynch (the touchdown for sure).

You must have watched a different game.. the first two series the Redskins are blowing Seattle off the ball... then.. it was all downhill.. Seattle was pushing the Redskins o-line back.. as well as completely confusing the Redskins with their overload Blitz's... It was like the Redskins didnt really have a gameplan or strategy for the "oh Seattle is actually going to try and play now" game. At a certain point the Seahawks D turned up the "Physical" game and the Redskins had no answer for it... somewhere.. Buddy Ryan was shedding a tear at that Defense.

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The numbers... and yes.. its BRUTAL..so again not sure what game you watched.

The Redskins did not run a single play from inside of Seattle territory after the first quarter... After a first quarter in which the Redskins outgained the Seahawks 129-9, they were then outgained 371 to 74 the rest of the game... [-]
Total Yards By Quarter
Seahawks Redskins
1st quarter 9 129
2nd quarter 172 11
3rd quarter 99 27
4th quarter 100 36

I've now seen multiple retweets (including one from Prederick) saying RG3 tore his ACL and PCL and would be unable to play for over a year.

Thin_J wrote:

I've now seen multiple retweets (including one from Prederick) saying RG3 tore his ACL and PCL and would be unable to play for over a year.

I'd be highly skeptical of such a definitive and dire prognosis at this early stage.

*Legion* wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I've now seen multiple retweets (including one from Prederick) saying RG3 tore his ACL and PCL and would be unable to play for over a year.

I'd be highly skeptical of such a definitive and dire prognosis at this early stage.

But not highly surprised. The human knee was not designed to go in that direction.

On a related topic, when does DC does something about that horrible patch of earth they call a field?