NFL 2012 Week 17 Thread

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I can't see Lovie Smith going to Buffalo; they only hire retread coaches nobody else wants. Dick Jauron! Chan Gailey!

Norv Turner! Welcome to Buffalo!

I'm not opposed to Norv. I think the GM in San Diego killed that team more than Norv, ala Robert Meachum's giant contract and the dissipation of talent since 2009. Not that I have any faith in Buffalo's personnel staff though. I am concerned about any defensive coach wanting to head to Buffalo, where there are no competent LBs and only one competent CB.

San Diego is reportedly interested in Lovie.

Any team would be an idiot to hire Norv in any capacity other than OC.

Andy Reid is only going to KC for the ribs. Finger-licking good, though he should shave the moustache first.

S0LIDARITY wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I can't see Lovie Smith going to Buffalo; they only hire retread coaches nobody else wants. Dick Jauron! Chan Gailey!

Norv Turner! Welcome to Buffalo!

I'm not opposed to Norv. I think the GM in San Diego killed that team more than Norv, ala Robert Meachum's giant contract and the dissipation of talent since 2009. Not that I have any faith in Buffalo's personnel staff though. I am concerned about any defensive coach wanting to head to Buffalo, where there are no competent LBs and only one competent CB.

I'm opposed to Norv, he's a guy who thinks he's too smart for his own good. Back in Tomlinson's heyday, that team would have an utterly insane tendency to try play-action and/or trick plays on 3rd/4th and short, rather than, you know, giving the ball to one of the best RBs of all time. Turner overthinks things and tries to get cute. I'd love to have him as an offensive coordinator assuming the head coach is standing behind him with a stick and yelling "NO BAD NORV" every once and a while and hitting him, just to keep him thinking straight.

Well, the best coach the Bills have had in 12 years is Wade Phillips. The bar is set painfully low.

I was very surprised with the Chan Gailey hire by the Bills. That surprised me as much as the Herm Edwards pick in KC years back.

Kush15 wrote:

Chiefs fire Pioli

Interesting..So does that mean Reid wants more say in personnel or will they hire a new GM.

Kush15 wrote:

Chiefs fire Pioli

I love the Andy Reid hire, but man this was a lame way to handle firing Pioli. Clark Hunt essentially laid Pioli's firing at the feet of a coach he hasn't even paid yet. Pioli should have been gone before the interview ever took place.

That said, the hiring of Reid (if it is completed) is a good indication that Hunt made it clear that the toxic environment created by Pioli was not acceptable and would be changed. As a Chiefs fan, that had to be priority number one. I can live with a lot of player valuation mistakes and even questionable coaching decisions. But when the environment goes from a professional one that made KC a desirable opportunity for both players and coaches to one where the people you want avoid the team, it's hard to support.

It looks like things should be in place for the Chiefs to have a much more productive and smooth off-season. There may be plenty of legitimate criticism of Reid as a strategical coach, but he also wasn't incompetent. The Eagle were never a tem of chaos, as far as I know. And my opinions that at the professional level, the number one thing a coach can do to win is provide a stable and professional environment for work to get done. When you have that, a lot of the other stuff falls in place.

The Chiefs have lacked that for four seasons. I think they had to have a candidate with a lot of NFL experience under his belt, and the more stable the better. I think a college or assistant getting his first crack at an NFL job would have increased the risk of prolonging the issues going on, whether Pioli stayed or not.

If Reid fails to agree to terms, then chaos may ensue.

whispa wrote:
Kush15 wrote:

Chiefs fire Pioli

Interesting..So does that mean Reid wants more say in personnel or will they hire a new GM.

There have been two GM's Reid has made clear are on his list.

From the KC Star:

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Thursday that Reid would bring former Browns general manager Tom Heckert along with him to replace Pioli. After the Browns fired Heckert on Monday, he told the Plain Dealer that, “It would be outstanding to work with (Reid) again.” Before becoming the general manger of the Browns in 2010, Heckert had worked with Reid in Philadelphia for nine years.

But ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that his sources insist Reid still wants to gauge whether John Dorsey, the Packers’ director of operations, would consider becoming the Chiefs’ next GM.

Here is blurb from the KC Star about Pioli's tenure that pretty well sums up why he had to go.

In addition, neither of his two coaching hires panned out. He hired Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley as head coach in 2009 after Haley had just helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl. But the hot-tempered Haley had never served as a head coach at any level and as an assistant was known for clashing with players on the sidelines at games and in practice.

It didn’t take long for Pioli and Haley to butt heads and with three games to go in the 2011 season, Haley was dismissed, and defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel was promoted as interim head coach. Crennel coaxed the Chiefs to two wins in three games, and Pioli gave him a three-year contract as head coach despite Crennel’s 24-40 record as head coach at Cleveland during 2005-08.

Beyond the losing on the field, Pioli’s management style created a toxic atmosphere within the organization. Haley told The Star a few days before he was fired in December 2011 that he suspected rooms at the team facility were bugged so that team administrators could monitor employees’ conversations. Haley also believed his personal cellphone, a line he used before being hired by the Chiefs, had been tampered with.

Meanwhile, the stunning firing of club president Denny Thum, a 37-year employee of the organization, was one of many departures in a purge of former Chiefs associates who had worked for the previous administrations. During the next three years, more than half the workforce had been turned over, and an atmosphere of fear and insecurity permeated the environment among holdovers from the Peterson years as well as the newcomers.

Typifying the micro-managing and misguided priorities of Pioli’s, he once noticed a candy wrapper in a back stairwell at the Chiefs’ facility and waited to see how long it took to be picked up. About a week passed, and it remained in the stairwell. He placed the wrapper in an envelope, and during a meeting of department heads, club president Mark Donovan brandished the wrapper as evidence that Chiefs employees neglected attention to detail.

Typifying the micro-managing and misguided priorities of Pioli’s, he once noticed a candy wrapper in a back stairwell at the Chiefs’ facility and waited to see how long it took to be picked up. About a week passed, and it remained in the stairwell. He placed the wrapper in an envelope, and during a meeting of department heads, club president Mark Donovan brandished the wrapper as evidence that Chiefs employees neglected attention to detail.

My mind instantly pictured Pioli trying to pull a Snake and hanging out in a cardboard box under the stairs for a week and watching the candy wrapper through a series of mirrors.

Great. I'm sure the Titans will go out and get Pioli now.

The Titans personnel and hiring prerequisites.

1. Are they incompetent? (Yes)
2. Are they washed up? (Yes)
3. Have they proven to be successful? (if Yes skip, if no hire)

Wow didn't know about that stuff on Pioli! Thanks for the info!

So, everyone's seen Rex Ryan's tattoo of his wife wearing nothing but a Sanchez jersey, right?

thejustinbot wrote:

So, everyone's seen Rex Ryan's tattoo of his wife wearing nothing but a Sanchez jersey, right?

I'm skeptical that it's real (as in, a permanent tattoo). Has Ryan's arm really never been bared low enough in public before for this to be seen?

I think it's a temporary tattoo and a big troll for the NY tabloid pushers.

*Legion* wrote:
thejustinbot wrote:

So, everyone's seen Rex Ryan's tattoo of his wife wearing nothing but a Sanchez jersey, right?

I'm skeptical that it's real (as in, a permanent tattoo). Has Ryan's arm really never been bared low enough in public before for this to be seen?

I think it's a temporary tattoo and a big troll for the NY tabloid pushers.

I'm trying to tie these tattoo's to some reasoning for him wearing sweater vests all of the time.

I hope everybody on the beach panics when they see Rex, and they collectively try to roll him back into the water to save him. Then he drowns. Or gets eaten. OR JUST GOES AWAY FOR A WHILE.

The absolute worst thing is a year from now, he's going to be fired, and I would put the odds at somewhere between 100% and 100% that he gets a job at ESPN for a year or two before going back to coaching.

I saw this on PFT earlier. This is South Carolina sophomore Jadeveon Clowney in high school. He won't be entering the draft this year, because you need to be 3 years out of college.

It's a long video, but the first few clips give a pretty good indication of what's to come (1:30 is what would have happened had I lined up against him).

kaostheory wrote:

I saw this on PFT earlier. This is South Carolina sophomore Jadeveon Clowney in high school. He won't be entering the draft this year, because you need to be 3 years out of college.

It's a long video, but the first few clips give a pretty good indication of what's to come (1:30 is what would have happened had I lined up against him).

He is just so much bigger and faster then everyone else. At 6:20 he even takes out one of his own teammates on the way to the quarterback.

I've said it a few times, but Heckert is good. If KC picks him up, you'll have some good drafts. Reid I'm less sold on. I think the last few years have affected him. Plus he didn't use McCoy well.

peedmyself wrote:

I've said it a few times, but Heckert is good. If KC picks him up, you'll have some good drafts. Reid I'm less sold on. I think the last few years have affected him. Plus he didn't use any running back well.

FTFY

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One of my "favorite" Andy Reid "highlights" is the revelation that his o-line was begging him in the NFC Championship game against the Panthers to run the ball more.. They were dominating the game with the run chewing up huge chunks of yards that eventually would have let Reid play action for some possible passing plays.. But noooooo forcing the ball to James Trash and Pinky were far better ideas...

TheGameguru wrote:

One of my "favorite" Andy Reid "highlights" is the revelation that his o-line was begging him in the NFC Championship game against the Panthers to run the ball more.. They were dominating the game with the run chewing up huge chunks of yards that eventually would have let Reid play action for some possible passing plays.. But noooooo forcing the ball to James Trash and Pinky were far better ideas...

You said his name... you did this.

EDIT: Shame, me.