NFL 2012 Week 17 Thread

Paleocon wrote:

Jayhawker,

How do Rams fans like their draft picks? We shined them up special for you. ;)

The smart fans love them. But there is a bitter contingent that wishes they had RGIII, because they view Bradford as a flop.

If the Chiefs keep Pioli around, I may finally become a Rams fan. They finally have competent ownership, a solid head coach, and a young roster that should develop well if they can get some WR's.

The last time I considered switching teams was after driving to KC to watch the Chiefs meltdown on MNF. With a shot to still win the game, Derrick thomas and Wayne Simien committed like 5 straight personal fouls on Shannon Sharp out of frustration. I can live with losing, but quitting and acting like assholes is enough reason to move on, since I live in St. Louis.

But Lamar Hunt, who rarely spoke to the press held a conference the next day, where he announced that Simien was cut, and Thomas was suspended, and apologized to the fans. The fact that he quickly made it clear that it was unacceptable was enough to keep me.

Right now, I'm looking for his son to make the same commitment to the fans. Pioli has created an atmosphere that drivs coaches and players to stay away. That's unacceptable, and I need to see that Hunt gets it.

Jayhawker wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

So, KC fans. What do you think are the chances of Dwayne Bowe playing for the Redskins next season?

I think Bowe is gone. He could go somewhere else and thrive, or be the crazy head case for someone else. They may try to use the franchise tag to force a trade, and Snyder just may go after him.

I like Bowe, I just think he has motivation issues. Put him in a place with a real QB and he'll shine. I think.

If he is going to thrive, it will definitely have to be somewhere else. The right motivation could turn him into a superstar.

Jayhawker wrote:

If he is going to thrive, it will definitely have to be somewhere else. The right motivation could turn him into a superstar.

This is sort of how I feel the Redskins were like before RGIII. Take a look at folks like Carlos Rogers, Brandon Lloyd, and Ryan Clark. There was something poisonous about the environment that made otherwise decent players into complete busts. And all they needed was a change of venue to a team with a winning culture for them to turn things around.

It is truly exceptional for a beast of a player to either: 1) do well on a team with a losing culture (e.g.: Megatron at Detroit), or 2) carry a losing team on his back (e.g.: Adrian Peterson at the Vikes).

And even in the case of Megatron, you have to think that he will either have to make the decision to go LeBron and go to a team that can get him a couple postseason victories or become the next Barry Sanders.

Oh, and by "shined them up for you", I was referring to the fact that St. Lou fans were gloating over our 3-6 record at mid season.

garion333 wrote:

Andy Reid is gone from Philly. Long, long time coming.

GG has to be happy!

Paleocon wrote:

2) carry a losing team on his back (e.g.: Adrian Peterson at the Vikes).

It helps when Loadholt and Felton clear the way. AD is a great back, and probably the best I've seen play, but being moved into a 2-back system and relying on his O-line as he runs off tackle more has made this season possible.

Well, since Gene Smith is gone, sign me up for a Ted Thompson disciple: Green Bay Packers personnel man Alonzo Highsmith has been linked to the Jaguars general manager position. I mean, since there's no chance of being able to kidnap lure away Ted Thompson himself.

My greatest fear is ending up with another Shack Harris.

I think, despite the extraordinary success that the Redskins have had this year, it still very much has the feeling of a stepping stone year. No one expected them to get this far and, irrespective of how they do next week, this year is an unqualified success. They are, in effect, playing with house money.

Next year looks, in many ways, a lot more promising with the return of monsters on defense like Brian Orakpo, Brandon Merriweather, and Adam Carriker. And the sure hands of Fred Davis and powerful blocking of Jamal Brown will make the offense that much harder to plan for. If they can get a first look WR in free agency (I'm looking at you Dwayne Bowe), this team could be positioned for a deep playoff run.

boogle wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

2) carry a losing team on his back (e.g.: Adrian Peterson at the Vikes).

It helps when Loadholt and Felton clear the way. AD is a great back, and probably the best I've seen play, but being moved into a 2-back system and relying on his O-line as he runs off tackle more has made this season possible.

Loadholt has become a much better player than I expected after a rough first couple of seasons. They have 3/5 of an awesome line with Kalil and Sullivan along with Loadholt. The guards... need improvement. At least Charlie Johnson is just mediocre at guard, rather than a disaster like he was at tackle in Indianapolis.

Lovie Smith canned. Don't get that one at all, it's not like his team had given up. Lots of injuries, but that's been a very good defensive team, and they played hard. Dumb firing. Somebody is getting a really god defensive coordinator next year.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Somebody is getting a really good defensive coordinator next year.

+1

By my count there's 3 rookie QB's and 3 sophomore QB's in the playoffs. Crazy.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Lovie Smith canned. Don't get that one at all, it's not like his team had given up.

The Bears have actual expectations of making the playoffs. CHI has made the playoffs just once in the past six seasons. That's not going to cut it there, especially when GB rules the division these days.

Then you have a team like Carolina, where making the playoffs is like winning the lottery: It's possible but not all that probable. Which means Ron Rivera is probably going to stick around one more year.

Don't overthink it, MMD.

Paleocon wrote:

I think, despite the extraordinary success etc. etc. ...

Yeah, but Dan Snyder still sucks. Any chance you could do something about him?

P.S. Grats to your DC team. My hometown of Richmond is part of the extended DC fanbase, and it's much more fun to see Washington winning than not.

The whole Chicago situation actually reminds me a bit of Tampa in the early 2000s, in that you've had a really solid defense that simply couldn't overcome the offensive deficiencies. In Tampa's case, it was a lack of skill players, with Chicago, they've borked their offensive line so badly that the skill players can't help it. Somewhere, my Gruden Alarm is going off; I wonder if he likes deep-dish pizza . . .

Chan Gailey is also gone. I'm not surprised and I'm not sure that anyone else cares. I think it's more on Buddy Nix and the previous GM than on Gailey but Nix is Ralph Wilson's buddy. Nix has picked some quality RB's (McGahee, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller), too bad so many play for other teams now.

I can't believe Ryan is still there but the GM is out. Isn't that going to probably make him a lame duck coach? A GM usually wants to have a say in the coach that helps them keep their job.

Enix wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I think, despite the extraordinary success etc. etc. ...

Yeah, but Dan Snyder still sucks. Any chance you could do something about him?

P.S. Grats to your DC team. My hometown of Richmond is part of the extended DC fanbase, and it's much more fun to see Washington winning than not.

I just hope he is doing a George Steinbrenner and getting the heck out of the whole meddling business. As far as local reports go, that seems to be precisely the direction he is going in.

Mike Munchak is safe in Tennessee? Really? Might as well keep the defensive coordinator who gave up the most points in franchise history while you're at it.

f*ck.

I think I'm going to become a full time 49ers fan. I can't take much more.

Gumbie wrote:

Mike Munchak is safe in Tennessee? Really? Might as well keep the defensive coordinator who gave up the most points in franchise history while you're at it.

f*ck.

I think I'm going to become a full time 49ers fan. I can't take much more.

No. NO. That's my escape plan.

Gumbie wrote:

I think I'm going to become a full time 49ers fan. I can't take much more.

One of us, one of us!

*Legion* wrote:
Gumbie wrote:

I think I'm going to become a full time 49ers fan. I can't take much more.

No. NO. That's my escape plan.

That's everybody's escape plan.

Nope, I'd become a Rams fan and watch Fisher beat up on Gumbie's Niners. How awesome would that be?.

The Rams were the Opposite Day team of 2012. They beat a number of surprisingly good teams and then lost to a bunch of tomato cans.

If the Rams have a smart off-season, I think they will be in line to compete for the division next year. They just really need to find some receivers.

Jayhawker wrote:

If the Rams have a smart off-season, I think they will be in line to compete for the division next year. They just really need to find some receivers.

Because f**k Amendola.

Jayhawker wrote:

If the Rams have a smart off-season, I think they will be in line to compete for the division next year. They just really need to find some receivers.

I think what folks are generally afraid of is that they will, somehow, find their way into Detroit Lions territory in which they have all the right pieces, but still can't figure out a way to win.

So, the body count is currently (Teams looking for new HC):
-Eagles
-Bears
-Cardinals
-Bills
-Browns
-Chiefs
-Chargers

Very surprised about Lovie Smith, not surprised by any others. I'm waiting for Carolina to give confirmation on Ron Rivera. One more year for him?

*EDIT*
Or Dallas. Forgot about them.

Anyone who saw Romeo in Cleveland knew how KC was going to do this year. I think I predicted a max of 6 wins in the preseason thread, and that much only because I thought Hillis would be a top 2nd rb.

I hear Heckert is gone as GM for the Browns. Someone is going to get a strong front office contributor. There's more young talent there now than there has been in a long time (though that wouldn't take much).

Ken Whisenhunt learns the painful lesson that you should, in fact, actually have at least one person on your team even vaguely capable of playing QB in the NFL. Flipping between John Skelton and Ryan Lindley is an insult to the concept of "Giant Douche" vs. "Turd Sandwich" and had to be the worst "QB competition" in recent memory.