2012 MLB Season Discussion: Off-Season

jowner wrote:
Epic indeed!

pulling for everyone but the Yanks really now lol.

Honestly wouldn't mind seeing any of the other teams win if we see the same close intense baseball.

I agree, I always root for the yanks to lose

LOL

I said I wanted close baseball....

Valverde is so overrated. hahahahah

I was listening to a Bill Simmons podcast just a few hours ago, he was talking about Jim Johnson blowing a couple saves in the O's-Yanks series. He said there's something about postseason baseball in Yankee Stadium, that it really tests pitchers, that if you're a hotshot closer but have any deep-seeded doubts about who you are as a pitcher, the place will expose you.

Turns out there's something to that idea.

And yeah, I said I was done with baseball for the year. But I like Prince Fielder, so there.

Welp, I think that's the Yankees done. There were only three people on that roster hitting, and now that Jeter's ankle has done its best lawn chair imitation, it may be over already. The Tigers are plenty good enough to hit their pitching, and outside of Ichiro and Ibanez, the Yanks can't hit for sh*t with RISP.

So there is lots of debate in St. Louis about whether Harper grabbed his crotch as a gesture after striking out in the 9th. My first impression was that he was adjesting. But the last close-up that catches his expression makes me think he was being Harper (Harper is now synonymous with douche)

St. Louis sports columnist Bernie Miklasz weighed in with this:

Crotch grab.

Kid has a lot of ability, but has no class or maturity.

The Cardinals players laughed at him.

A couple of the players told me that everyone on the team told me they'd all received dozens of text messages from big-leaguers on other teams, thanking them for knocking out the Nationals.

Washington is an unpopular team within the industry.

-B

I do have to say that their fans seemed pretty awesome, overall. They got a little carried away with booing every pitch that didn't go their way, but at least they were into the game. The Yankees game last night was a total bore. Even during the comeback, it was really quiet.

By the by, my usual method for picking a favorite in playoff when I have no horse in the race is whichever team hasn't won the championship lately. I sure don't want to pull for Detroit, being that they shiv'd the White Sox, but I don't have much choice here.

Crotch grab.

Kid has a lot of ability, but has no class or maturity.

The Cardinals players laughed at him.

A couple of the players told me that everyone on the team told me they'd all received dozens of text messages from big-leaguers on other teams, thanking them for knocking out the Nationals.

Washington is an unpopular team within the industry.

-B

Irrespective of my feelings for either team, this type of stuff always rubs me wrong in sports. I can't nail down exactly what entails the behavior that bothers me, but this quote from this writer definitely counts. I guess the most concise way to say it is, there are relationships in sports that are fair ground for reporting, and I don't think this is really one of them.

Let the fans handle the pro-wrestling style popularity contests in sports. We do a great and zealous job at it. Keep your trap shut about industry rivalries or popularity. I don't care how these guys feel about each other until there's a bench clearing brawl.

Maybe I'm not being rational here. It bothers me in the same way something like this (Activision producer calling Brothers in Arms a "crappy war game") did, or any serious smack-talking between game journalists. Talk to your audience, not your peers.

There is not a good rational reason to root for any team in sports. The entire premise is irrational.

We use all kinds of stuff to form our opinions of teams. If we have favorite teams to cheer for and favorite teams to root against, then we have already bought into the soap opera of sports that drives fan interest. And that's not a good or bad thing.

I'm a Chiefs fan right now, and their current management is truly dreadful. The organization went from a team where players wanted to come, to one where they avoid. It's part of the story of this season, and ignoring it means not understanding why different moves are made.

It's why Terry Francona couldn't get a job this last off-season, but when more information came out, he jumped to the top of many team's lists. And it's also why Bobby Valentine only lasted one season.

And seriously, if there is one human pastime in which schadenfreude is celebrated, its sports. The Yankees losing last night meant absolutely nothing in my world, but I still enjoyed it.

I'm no Yankees fan, but that's the third blown call this postseason that's come back to bite them. Between that and the Jeter injury, you have to wonder if all the Yankee magic this year has been harnessed into Raul Ibanez's bat.

Huh, it really is quiet at Yankee Stadium. Shame on them.

Blind_Evil wrote:
Huh, it really is quiet at Yankee Stadium. Shame on them.

I haven't been watching the games to compare, but I made it to my first three Yankees games ever this year. They lost two, and even then the crowd was quite loud.

I can't help but wonder if ticket prices has something to do with it. Those tickets are not cheap ... and I wonder if the loud and rowdies have been priced out.

Watching StL/SF make me miss Rat Boy even more.

Looks like we have ourselves a game. After Friday night, I knew better than to assume that six runs was enough to call it over.

And for Rat Boy, if you are watching:

Oh, and NSFW

Hey guys, did you know Scutaro got hurt by a takeout slide from Holliday? You didn't? Apparently that's the ONLY thing that's worth talking about during this game. I mean, the slide was ridiculous to be sure, but dang, there's got to be something else to bring up, yeah?

Looks like the Giants are starting to open it up a bit, but St. Louis made some pretty impressive defensive plays here in the 5th.

I kept expecting Holiday to get drilled.

In the big picture it didn't matter, but that was a truly pathetic missed call on what should have been an awesome double play. Jay made an fantastic catch, and got the ball to Craig in time, but it was offline.
A) Craig got the tag on the runner
B) the runner was went way out of the baseline in an attempt to avoid the tag
C) the ump called the runner safe despite being so far from the base he couldn't reach it, and had yet to crawl over to it

Seriously, it was a bizarre level of fail. And the umpire was in perfect position to see everything.

Jayhawker wrote:
Seriously, it was a bizarre level of fail. And the umpire was in perfect position to see everything.

Oh agreed--but what call was worse, that play or the Infante tag from the night before?

Pretty surprised with the amazingly bad calls so far

Jayhawker wrote:
it was a bizarre level of fail.

Didn't this just describe the entire game? The Cards were at their chimeric best.

Also, Jon Jay is a machine.

Not this time, Ibanez.

Did the guy just say "have the nuts to throw"?

Maybe it was guts...

Well, that happened. Really was expecting that game to be at least a little bit closer. But damn, the Tigers bats decided to wake up, huh?

Yay no more Yankees.

CptDomano wrote:
Well, that happened. Really was expecting that game to be at least a little bit closer. But damn, the Tigers bats decided to wake up, huh?

I effing told you they were getting hot at the right time. Also,

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Blind_Evil wrote:

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You tell me, son! I was on late today, too! :P

Yeah, I suppose you were right! Although honestly, if the pitching (aside from Valverde) hadn't been spot on, it would definitely be a different situation for us. The offense didn't really wake up until today. Here's hoping it stays that way into the World Series.

Almost time to rock. In fact, if they cancel my daughter's CC meet, I think I am going to head down and take in what I hope wil be the clinching game tonight.

Jayson Stark had a nice stat today:

Over the last 10 Octobers, the Cardinals have now won 41 postseason games. That's one more than the Yankees, seven more than the Red Sox and almost as many as the next two winningest NL franchises combined (the Phillies and Giants, with 42 between them).

It's starting to feel like 12 in '12 is a real possibility.

So Red Sox hire the Blue Jays coach? An upgrade i guess...?

Huh. Giants have never won a game 7. StL has the best record of franchises in game 7s at 11-4.

Some kind of history will be made tonight.

I can only expect some down to their last strike Cardinals heroics. Perhaps Yadier's neck-tat driving in the winning run.

The Cardinals have won six straight elimination games over the last two seasons. I think expecting a seventh straight win tonight is a tall order.

That said, Cardinal fans have been absolutely spoiled by the number of big games they have gotten to see the Cards play recently. It's been a truly fantastic couple of years to be a Cards fan, despite regular season play that has been inconsistent at best. there are plenty of fans here in St. Louis that do lose the perspective that while they struggle to get into the playoffs, there are way more teams that wish they could be as "bad" as this team.

Tonight should be another great game, as Lohse really has been their best pitcher despite being the a back of the rotation guy. A win tonight could very well secure a big contract for him from the Cardinals, who are very likely going to let him walk. The guy is going to cash in next season, it's just a matter of who gives him the jack.

But if he puts them back into the World Series, I think the front office has to consider trying to keep him. At this point, he's a hell of a lot less of a risk than Wainright, Carpenter, and Garcia in terms of having a solid season next year. I think they need to keep him.

Holliday will be a game time decision, but his replacement, Matt Carpenter, owns Matt Cain. I have to believe Matheny was looking for a way to get him into the line-up anyway.

Otherwise, I think the game comes down to the Cardinal bats, which have been as inconsistent all year long as they have been in the playoffs. They can flip a switch at any time. With Lohse on the mound, I don't think they get blown out. but how much support will he get?

Jayhawker wrote:
Otherwise, I think the game comes down to the Cardinal bats, which have been as inconsistent all year long as they have been in the playoffs. They can flip a switch at any time. With Lohse on the mound, I don't think they get blown out. but how much support will he get?

I feel like that has been the story with all of the teams in the playoffs this year--there seemed to be a LOT of one or two run games during every series. Some fairly solid pitching with an occasional blow out. It's been a pretty exciting post season for sure, and tonight's game should be no different.