2012 MLB Season Discussion: Off-Season

brouhaha wrote:

Does anyone enjoy listening to a game on the radio as much as they do watching it on television? For the past 3-4 years (or ever since having kids), I've found the time to spend sitting and watching a game is rare. During that time, I've grown to like having the game on the radio. In fact, there are times I prefer it— spending +3hrs on a Saturday afternoon in the summer to watch a Sox vs. Yanks grinder on Fox is just downright asinine IMHO.

Plus, it helps having great announcers like Joe Castiglione and Dave O'Brien calling the sox games.

I grew up in St. Louis listening to Jack Buck. And now they have John Rooney, who you probably miss. Baseball on the radio is the best way to soak it up. And when I do MLB AtBat on the iPad it's better than TV for sure.

Jayhawker wrote:

I grew up in St. Louis listening to Jack Buck. And now they have John Rooney, who you probably miss. Baseball on the radio is the best way to soak it up. And when I do MLB AtBat on the iPad it's better than TV for sure.

AtBat's the only way I get my baseball. They just don't show it over here. But yeah, Jack and now the KMOX crew are the sound of summer for me. Used to be the only thing allowed on my Dad's radio in the garage while we were playing outside.

I usually have it playing in the background while I'm gaming so I can look over at the TV during important moments or replays. I keep one ear of my headphones up to listen in.

Tanglebones wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

That argument played out almost exactly like the "NBA is irrelevant" argument from late last year.

I have to remember that arguing on the Internet is largely pointless.. And the NBA is stiil awful...massive snooze fest.

And just to grind it in further...the NFL off-season thread will have more posts than the NBA season thread...not to mention Hockey and Baseball...

I can't hear you over the constant quality NBA entertainment

I'm with you Stele. I have been a baseball first guy since like 6th grade, but as I've gotten older I find I don't have the will to care for 162 games.

Baseball and occasionally soccer are the only ones that can hold my interest, but I never really got into basketball or football as a kid.

I'm with you.

Ulairi wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

That argument played out almost exactly like the "NBA is irrelevant" argument from late last year.

I have to remember that arguing on the Internet is largely pointless.. And the NBA is stiil awful...massive snooze fest.

And just to grind it in further...the NFL off-season thread will have more posts than the NBA season thread...not to mention Hockey and Baseball...

I can't hear you over the constant quality NBA entertainment

I'm with you Stele. I have been a baseball first guy since like 6th grade, but as I've gotten older I find I don't have the will to care for 162 games.

Baseball and occasionally soccer are the only ones that can hold my interest, but I never really got into basketball or football as a kid.

I'm with you.

How about hockey? No hockey?

Kush15 wrote:
FSeven wrote:

Agreed. I think baseball is really the only game that translates well over the radio. I usually pickup MLB At Bat every year on the cellphone and I really enjoy listening to Yankees broadcasts. Yankees fan also get to listen to the comic ramblings of John Sterling and Susan Waldman. Beer + Waldman talking about balls = belly laughs.

John......................................Sterling..................................................................

WHY FSEVEN?!?!?! WHY MUST YOU MAKE ME GO OFF ON ANOTHER JOHN STERLING RANT!!!!!!

But he's not wrong!

I get belly laughs whenever I hear what Yankees fans are forced to endure. The notion that someone enjoys it has forced me to mess my pants!

FSeven wrote:
Ulairi wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

That argument played out almost exactly like the "NBA is irrelevant" argument from late last year.

I have to remember that arguing on the Internet is largely pointless.. And the NBA is stiil awful...massive snooze fest.

And just to grind it in further...the NFL off-season thread will have more posts than the NBA season thread...not to mention Hockey and Baseball...

I can't hear you over the constant quality NBA entertainment

I'm with you Stele. I have been a baseball first guy since like 6th grade, but as I've gotten older I find I don't have the will to care for 162 games.

Baseball and occasionally soccer are the only ones that can hold my interest, but I never really got into basketball or football as a kid.

I'm not Canadian.

I wasn't even into soccer until 2006 during the world cup I was studying in Beijing and got really into it because of the other students. Both baseball and soccer have the club element which other sports lack. I don't like games with artificial endings and clocks, they are for the weak.

I'm with you.

How about hockey? No hockey?

FSeven wrote:

Agreed. I think baseball is really the only game that translates well over the radio. I usually pickup MLB At Bat every year on the cellphone and I really enjoy listening to Yankees broadcasts. Yankees fan also get to listen to the comic ramblings of John Sterling and Susan Waldman. Beer + Waldman talking about balls = belly laughs.

John......................................Sterling..................................................................

WHY FSEVEN?!?!?! WHY MUST YOU MAKE ME GO OFF ON ANOTHER JOHN STERLING RANT!!!!!!

John Sterling's Horrendous Home Run Calls:

-AN A-BOMB, FOR A-ROD (Once used to describe a Hideki Matsui HR, way to mistakenly use an A-Bomb reference for a Japanese player)
-THE GIAMBINO
-THE BAM-TINO (See, Bambino made sense for Babe Ruth, since Bambino means BABY/BABE. The Bam-tino means Sterling is an idiot.
-THE GRANDY-MAN CAN! (And Sterling Can!!!!!..........give me douche-chills)
-THAT WAS SWISHALICIOUS (Ewwwwwwwwwww. DOUCHE!!!!)
-Gardner PLANTS one in the upper deck (I wish someone would plant Sterling 6 feet under)
-Cody Ransom.........IS HANDSOM!!!!! (Holy f*ck, not EVERYONE needs a HR call)
-Robinson Cano, Don'tcha Know!!!!! (.......that John Sterling is a giant douche?)
-Mark Sends A Text Message! You're on the Mark, Teixeira! (A text message to John Sterling: DIAF)
-Jorgy Juice One (Yuck)
-The Melk Man Delivers! That's just the Melky Way!

Oh yeah, and Susan Waldman (NSFW, Language)

In other news, I would add this to a fantasy baseball thread if we had one, but since we don't:

I have joined a keeper league at work (4 keepers), and I'm not sure who to keep for the #4 spot, I have:

Definitely keeping: Roy Halladay, David Price & Jacoby Ellsbury
Thinking of keeping: Ryan Howard or Brandon Phillips
Other Batters: Ben Zobrist, Ichiro, Aramis Ramirez, Derek Jeter, Jason Heyward
Other Pitchers: Michael Pineda, Madison Bumgarner, Ryan Madson

Any thoughts, comment?

Kush15 wrote:

In other news, I would add this to a fantasy baseball thread if we had one, but since we don't:

I have joined a keeper league at work (4 keepers), and I'm not sure who to keep for the #4 spot, I have:

Definitely keeping: Roy Halladay, David Price & Jacoby Ellsbury
Thinking of keeping: Ryan Howard or Brandon Phillips
Other Batters: Ben Zobrist, Ichiro, Aramis Ramirez, Derek Jeter, Jason Heyward
Other Pitchers: Michael Pineda, Madison Bumgarner, Ryan Madson

Any thoughts, comment?

No advice.

My fantasy league is in its 10th season. There are 14 of us, and we are up to FIFTEEN keepers. It's nice that teams have personalities, but my decisions are so different.

I am trying to decide whether to keep Jeff Francoeur or Delmon Young.

Confirmation that I am in fact the smartest fan on the planet.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...

TheGameguru wrote:

Confirmation that I am in fact the smartest fan on the planet.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...

Actually, Papelbon said that Philly fans are smarter than Boston fans. I don't necessarily agree with that statement. I think he is just bitter because Boston didn't actively pursue him. He shouldn't burn bridges, but that's not my problem.

Kush15 wrote:

In other news, I would add this to a fantasy baseball thread if we had one, but since we don't:

I have joined a keeper league at work (4 keepers), and I'm not sure who to keep for the #4 spot, I have:

Definitely keeping: Roy Halladay, David Price & Jacoby Ellsbury
Thinking of keeping: Ryan Howard or Brandon Phillips
Other Batters: Ben Zobrist, Ichiro, Aramis Ramirez, Derek Jeter, Jason Heyward
Other Pitchers: Michael Pineda, Madison Bumgarner, Ryan Madson

Any thoughts, comment?

1B and 3B are always easy to fill in. This year alone, Hanley Ramirez, Mark Trumbo, and Miguel Cabrera will be moving to 3B to make room for othe guys at 1st.

Don't forget Ryan Howard is injured, having an offseason achilles surgery. Also, Phillies recently said he developed an infection which will delay his supposed return of May. I'm thinking you'll see Howard around the All-Star break this year. Don't think you want to keep a guy who will only give you half a season.

I'd rank your guys (and this is based on 5x5 scoring: BA, R, HR, RBI, Steal / ERA, K, W, WHIP, Saves)

B-Phil (I figure around .270 average, 80-90 runs and RBI, 15-20 steals, and 15-20 homers)
Bumgarner (really like this guy. 15 wins, 3.00 era, 1.00-1.20 WHIP, and the light side of 200 K's)
A-Ram (typical A-Ram year. just under .300 avg, 25 or so homers, just under 100 RBI and around 80 runs)
Heyward (i'm ranking him based off what I HOPE he will do. He could have a terrible year but if he has a good year, he'll make some noise. .275 avg, around 25 HR, double digit steals, 75 or so runs and 90 or so RBI)
Ryan Howard (Could still hit 25 homers in half a year and reach 90+ RBI. Avg will still be mediocre, around .255...if you keep him, you will probably be able to DL him at the start of the season and immediately pick up a top waiver prospect).
Zobrist (typical Zobrist - .250 avg, 15 HR and steals, in the 70 ballpark for runs and RBI)
Jeter
Ichiro
Pineda
Madson

All of that said, I'd use my 2 keepers on B-Phil and Bumgarner.

I know, I know... I shouldn't believe everything that I read, but goddamn am I excited for the Blue Jays this year: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...

Such a fun team to watch, too.

I'm stressing about the Phil's...Ryan's setback...Chases knee...lack of young bats that can actually play a position in the field....you can't win every game 2-1.

Hah! That's awesome!

I haven't followed MLB in years, but I had to ask this, because it really has gripped my curiosity:

How is it that the A's and Mariners have two regular season games on their record, and yet they are still playing spring training games?!

Jeff-66 wrote:

I haven't followed MLB in years, but I had to ask this, because it really has gripped my curiosity:

How is it that the A's and Mariners have two regular season games on their record, and yet they are still playing spring training games?!

They opened in Japan.

Jayhawker wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:

I haven't followed MLB in years, but I had to ask this, because it really has gripped my curiosity:

How is it that the A's and Mariners have two regular season games on their record, and yet they are still playing spring training games?!

They opened in Japan.

And then came back and played more spring training games? I find that incredibly strange.

Jeff-66 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:

I haven't followed MLB in years, but I had to ask this, because it really has gripped my curiosity:

How is it that the A's and Mariners have two regular season games on their record, and yet they are still playing spring training games?!

They opened in Japan.

And then came back and played more spring training games? I find that incredibly strange.

MLB's been doing that for.. maybe 10 years now? It's an outreach thing to the rest of the world.

Tanglebones wrote:

MLB's been doing that for.. maybe 10 years now? It's an outreach thing to the rest of the world.

Thanks. As I mentioned, I've been out of the loop, having lost interest around the mid to late 90's, during the steroid years. I just happened to look at the standings the other day, to see if the season had started yet, and noticed this.

I don't find it strange at all that they played in Japan, or wherever -- it's that they played regular season games in the midst of spring training.

* spring training game
* two regular season games
* back to spring training games

I thought that the beginning of the regular season meant official cuts, rosters, etc.

Jeff-66 wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

MLB's been doing that for.. maybe 10 years now? It's an outreach thing to the rest of the world.

Thanks. As I mentioned, I've been out of the loop, having lost interest around the mid to late 90's, during the steroid years. I just happened to look at the standings the other day, to see if the season had started yet, and noticed this.

I don't find it strange at all that they played in Japan, or wherever -- it's that they played regular season games in the midst of spring training.

* spring training game
* two regular season games
* back to spring training games

I thought that the beginning of the regular season meant official cuts, rosters, etc.

It's not like football where the players are actually cut. They are just assigned to minor league teams.

MLB wants to give the teams time to adjust to the time zone. But it would be silly to not let them play games as they wait.

3 things:

1) Jose Feliciano is a jackass. Please don't change the melody of the National Anthem. It's not about you, stupid.

2) Muhammad Ali looks horrible, boxing really took a toll on him. Maybe football players suing the NFL should be glad they don't end up like Ali. I feel really bad for him.

3) Selig officially is the worst commissioner in Major League Baseball. First he adds the extra Wild Card spot. If this happened last year, Game 162 is just an ordinary game, instead of the amazing day it turned out to be. Now I just saw that he changed the format of the Divisional Series. The team with home field advantage will play the first 2 games on the road, and the last 3 at home. Nice job douche-bag, way to handicap the better team. If the other team wins 2 home games to start the series, you force the better team to win 3 consecutive games. HORRIBLE!!!!!! I hate Selig, he is the worst commissioner EVER!!!!!!!!

Does anyone have any favorite baseball podcasts? A solid, all-encompassing MLB 'cast would be appreciated, though as a Cubs fan living in Milwaukee I am also interested in anything NL/NL-Central specific.

Kush15 wrote:

3) Selig officially is the worst commissioner in Major League Baseball. First he adds the extra Wild Card spot. If this happened last year, Game 162 is just an ordinary game, instead of the amazing day it turned out to be.

That's a ridiculous line of argument. Don't point out the happenings of one fluke season as the reason that an idea is good or bad.

Yes - with the new rules last year's drama wouldn't have been the same - but an extra wildcard does nothing to decrease the drama year on year, and in fact it will INCREASE the overall excitement near the start of playoffs because there will be some other HUGE games to watch.

There are a bunch of other reasons why Selig is a terrible commissioner. That one just isn't one of them.

Can you really call it a fluke when it's happened, I think, three of the last four years? I think that's reason enough to justify another wild card in the first place.

AndrewA wrote:
Kush15 wrote:

3) Selig officially is the worst commissioner in Major League Baseball. First he adds the extra Wild Card spot. If this happened last year, Game 162 is just an ordinary game, instead of the amazing day it turned out to be.

That's a ridiculous line of argument. Don't point out the happenings of one fluke season as the reason that an idea is good or bad.

Yes - with the new rules last year's drama wouldn't have been the same - but an extra wildcard does nothing to decrease the drama year on year, and in fact it will INCREASE the overall excitement near the start of playoffs because there will be some other HUGE games to watch.

Going back over the last 5 years, there is just as much excitement with 1 WC as there would be with 2 WCs. In some instances, the 2nd WC would have created great finishes to fight for that last spot. In other instances, it eliminated the excitement as the space between 2nd WC and first man out was greater than 4 games. I'm just in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" frame of mind. I think over the last 5 years, there have been plenty of exciting games to watch during Game 162, and there were a couple of natural play-in games. I will admit, adding the extra Wild Card does not hurt the game. Changing the best of 5 format from 2-2-1 to 2-3 does hurt the game, and was a horrible move. I was more upset with that than anything else.

There's so many more things about baseball to worry about and change, I thought the playoff format was fine. If anything, change the Division Series to a 7-game format.

Kush15 wrote:
AndrewA wrote:
Kush15 wrote:

3) Selig officially is the worst commissioner in Major League Baseball. First he adds the extra Wild Card spot. If this happened last year, Game 162 is just an ordinary game, instead of the amazing day it turned out to be.

That's a ridiculous line of argument. Don't point out the happenings of one fluke season as the reason that an idea is good or bad.

Yes - with the new rules last year's drama wouldn't have been the same - but an extra wildcard does nothing to decrease the drama year on year, and in fact it will INCREASE the overall excitement near the start of playoffs because there will be some other HUGE games to watch.

Going back over the last 5 years, there is just as much excitement with 1 WC as there would be with 2 WCs. In some instances, the 2nd WC would have created great finishes to fight for that last spot. In other instances, it eliminated the excitement as the space between 2nd WC and first man out was greater than 4 games. I'm just in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" frame of mind. I think over the last 5 years, there have been plenty of exciting games to watch during Game 162, and there were a couple of natural play-in games. I will admit, adding the extra Wild Card does not hurt the game. Changing the best of 5 format from 2-2-1 to 2-3 does hurt the game, and was a horrible move. I was more upset with that than anything else.

There's so many more things about baseball to worry about and change, I thought the playoff format was fine. If anything, change the Division Series to a 7-game format.

He's been an amazing commissioner for the game from a financial standpoint - he perfected the art of strongarming municipalities into buying stadiums and giving owners gigantic tax breaks. Unfortunately, from an on the field standpoint, this, along with revenue sharing, has lead to all the layabout owners who will happily put a crappy product on the field, while still pulling in a profit. It's not the worst time in baseball history for parity by a longshot, but it's not great either.