North Korean rocket launch

It's kinda funny since I would be right on the front lines if sh*t were to go down with NK, but I couldn't care less about this latest round of saber-rattling. It's tired. At the same time, I wish Japan would stop being dicks as well. They obsess over the "abduction issue" here at the detriment of ever moving anything forward between relations in the region. Assholes all around, as far as I can tell.

Looks like our Anti Ballistic missile program is going to pay off soon . Of course we'll have to get US approval to sell ABM systems to countries that "need them".

North Korea is pretty crazy but they don't attack the south too often. They bombarded an SK island a year or two ago which is why SK is interested in Iron dome.

I think that at the rate countries are getting nuclear and missile technologies the NPT was proven ineffective scrapped. The NK are and Pakistani are selling nuclear and missile technologies to they highest bidder.You don't need many NPT violators to make the treaty ineffective.

So far what NK have been doing with it's Nuclear weapons program is blackmailing the west. They pretty much subsidize their nuclear research by starving their people and then say "Do you want us to stop? Then give us free food!". ICBM are delivery mechanism and they are not trivial to build. The advantage of missiles over other delivery mechanism is that they are very hard to intercept, they can carry a significant payload and they can be readied for launch fast ( mainly solid fuel ). Missiles are also easy to protect and can be launched from underground bunkers or mobile trucks.

Manta173 wrote:

I agree. I don't see how this is possible without hand holding from someone with the capability *cough* China *cough* and it troubles me greatly. In an ideal world no one of significant stature and capability would have to saber rattle the world scene, but over the last few years it seem Russia (read a Putin) and China seem to be doing this more and more.

Not really, the North Koreans sole strategic export since the 80's has been rockets. Iran and Pakistan and probably other countries use it's designs extensively. Look at this as extending the product line and it'll make a lot more sense.

If they Chinese wanted them armed with missiles, they'd have no problem simply sending them along with engineers and designs over the border. It would have happened years ago, probably even before Bush pissed them off, but certainly then. The fact that they have *not* aided in the development of this technology is pretty obvious when you look at it from that point. They share a border, but NK is China's problem child, and they really want them to shut up and play nice in the international arena. Arming them with ICBMs is the very opposite of that goal...

This is another home grown technology (based on Soviet stuff, of course) that they can put in their sales catalogs. Bonus - they can use it to squeeze the US and other countries that refuse to give up the war against them. What planning! The Young Great Leader is truly a genius!

Niseg wrote:

Looks like our Anti Ballistic missile program is going to pay off soon. Of course we'll have to get US approval to sell ABM systems to countries that "need them".

Of course you'll have to get the US's approval. It's ours. Uncle Sam and American taxpayers paid 80% of the Arrow's $2.4 billion research, development, and production cost.

OG_slinger wrote:
Niseg wrote:

Looks like our Anti Ballistic missile program is going to pay off soon. Of course we'll have to get US approval to sell ABM systems to countries that "need them".

Of course you'll have to get the US's approval. It's ours. Uncle Sam and American taxpayers paid 80% of the Arrow's $2.4 billion research, development, and production cost.

Don't worry, you'll get your cut if you approve the sale (some of the system components are made in the USA). You also helped us with Iron dome even though none of its parts are made in the USA (maybe the missiles in the future) . David's sling interceptor missile ,the stunner, is going to be manufactured by Raytheon.

I wonder if the US has any arrow missile system of it's own. They can rename ,put the "made in USA " sticker and run it. The USA is now making a large part of the Namer IFV (60ton APC) which would enable the company who make them to sell them as a "made in USA" weapon system.

I heard Turkey is getting a Patriot system so Raytheon making money here. I'm still not sure how well Patriots can do against missile. The Stunner is probably better because it's a two stage rocket (less weight = more speed and maneuverability) and it's also cheaper than the Patriot. I don't know if Turkey or Europe can trust those Patriots. Arrow is just more suited for long range missiles and Stunner is going to take care of medium range threats. Iron dome can take out medium range rockets (for us 75km is medium) like Fajr-5 but the falling shrapnel can be dangerous.