Extra comment could land man in jail

I chuckled at this thinking there are a couple of GWJ folks that this could happen to. Want to take some guess's at who.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...

Now this is silly. I read this article this morning and thought the court was being a little anal.

Richard Eshman, Berkley's public safety director, said Militzer could have requested a hearing to argue against the ticket. "There's an avenue for protesting that kind of thing," he said.

The problem being that he wasn't arguing the ticket. He was expressing his feelings on the ticket in a way that's protected by the first ammendment. If they wouldn't take the check with that phrase on it, then they should have forced him to write another. Not accept it and then charge him for Contempt of Court.

Without telling the story of the asshat gas jockey in BFE, I'll mention I sent them their $2.63 in an envelope I'd bought that had printed on the outside

PAYMENT ENCLOSED

I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON IT

Give little people a little power. I truly hope they do choke on it.

PurEvil wrote:

Now this is silly. I read this article this morning and thought the court was being a little anal.

JAIL!

I dunno. You stand up in court and tell the judge to "f*ck off" or some such thing, you're going to have a problem. The whole idea behind contempt of court is that a certain amount of respect is due to the forum itself. The likelihood is that the judge brings him in and let's him know that he's not just playing with paper slips and that there's a justice system behind the ticket.

There is a section of highway going east toward Annapolis that goes from a speed limit of 55 to 65 to 55 to 65 to 45 in a span of about 12 miles. The road conditions do not change. Neither is there any change in the entry or exits. It is simply a method of revenue collection.

I was ticketed going 65 in a 45, which in the People's Republic of Maryland constitutes "reckless driving" and carries with it some significant penalties. Ironically, the day I showed up to court, I made sure to drive that very stretch of road in the left lane at the speed limit in front of a cop who, after 5 excruciating minutes of following me, flashed his lights and faked an emergency to get me out of the way.

Being the principled idiot I am, I brought this up to the traffic judge. His response was to eliminate the points and triple the fine with the comment "in the interests of 'revenue collection'".

Sometimes I have to restrain myself from thinking that all taxes are tyrannical. I'm sure we've all gotten one of these BS parking fines at one point or another - I know I have. And as Paleo demonstrates, you can't fight the system successfully.

I got one of those "overnight" parking tickets. Unbeknowst to me, its illegal to park for over 16 hours on the city street. Working some 24-plus hour shifts, I'd parked my car MANY times for over 16 hours. But this time I had a rental car that, apparently, some neighbor didn't recognize and was offended by, so I got ticketed.
When I went to protest it, the guy said he'd reduce it by half. I told him it was just an unfair law, that everyone on that street does it multiple times weekly, and that I even had ridden my bike to do errands rather than consume fossil fuels, and the net result was this ticket. He said if I didn't like the law, work to change it. Fair enough, I guess. But then I asked him why he was so quick to reduce the ticket. He didn't answer, and looked uncomfortable.
I asked, "do you do this for ANYONE who shows up to protest?"
"well, uhmm.... actually, yeah."
Love the system.

I had been ticketed for making a left turn where it was posted "no left turn". The only thing was there was no sign. It was eazier to pay the 40 bucks than fight it.

I motion for the People to develop a sense of humor.

I got a ticket because the meter I parked next to was expired. There was a quarter jammed in the meter so I couldn't add time, but I was only going to be gone for 30 minutes so I didn't want to spend time looking for another spot. I paid the ticket but wrote a note saying there was a quarter stuck in the meter and they should fix it. They cashed my check, then a week or so later sent a check reimbursing me for the ticket.

Been there, done that.

I once wrote "there was no sign, F*** off" on a check to pay a parking ticket that I wasn't allowed to fight. In response they didn't accept the check and gave me a court date for the contempt charge. I argued with the judge and got them both tossed out.

I told him that my reasoning was that it was my only way to get a court date to fight an unfair ticket. I played the sympathy card saying that I felt trapped by the unfair law since I was being forced to pay for a ticket in an unmarked area and not being allowed to fight it by explaining the circumstances.

The funny thing is, there was a girl who went before me for the exact same thing. Hers was in a marked area though so she didn't have any wiggle room.

I got ticketed for not having a state emissions sticker. My truck was a diesel and they were exempt. I still had to pay then had so many days to get an exemption sticker.

There is a section of highway going east toward Annapolis that goes from a speed limit of 55 to 65 to 55 to 65 to 45 in a span of about 12 miles. The road conditions do not change. Neither is there any change in the entry or exits. It is simply a method of revenue collection.

Actually, it reflects changing population density around the road, which overrides other speed limit allowances in Maryland. The trees shield a lot of that from view. That said, I do 65 in that area too.

There's a lot to be said for a monk-like humility when dealing with traffic cops.

Robear wrote:
There is a section of highway going east toward Annapolis that goes from a speed limit of 55 to 65 to 55 to 65 to 45 in a span of about 12 miles. The road conditions do not change. Neither is there any change in the entry or exits. It is simply a method of revenue collection.

Actually, it reflects changing population density around the road, which overrides other speed limit allowances in Maryland. The trees shield a lot of that from view. That said, I do 65 in that area too.

There's a lot to be said for a monk-like humility when dealing with traffic cops.

I hear they really dig the submissive primate behavior.

Just got my liscense. Not looking forward to getting my first ticket.

Paleocon wrote:
Robear wrote:
There is a section of highway going east toward Annapolis that goes from a speed limit of 55 to 65 to 55 to 65 to 45 in a span of about 12 miles. The road conditions do not change. Neither is there any change in the entry or exits. It is simply a method of revenue collection.

Actually, it reflects changing population density around the road, which overrides other speed limit allowances in Maryland. The trees shield a lot of that from view. That said, I do 65 in that area too.

There's a lot to be said for a monk-like humility when dealing with traffic cops.

I hear they really dig the submissive primate behavior.

oops so poo flinging was not the appropriate response to being pulled over? No wonder he gave me the ticket.

Funkenpants wrote:

I dunno. You stand up in court and tell the judge to "f*ck off" or some such thing, you're going to have a problem. The whole idea behind contempt of court is that a certain amount of respect is due to the forum itself.

That's it, though: It's about the forum, as you rightly point out. You can not hope to hold hearings in a room full of people that let fly whatever crosses their mind - or other muscle - at the time. You need a means of ordering the situation. I don't see how that applies to tickets.

Sku Boi wrote:

Just got my liscense. Not looking forward to getting my first ticket.

I've been driving for over 3 years and only been pulled over once. It was for speeding, and it was my fault since I was late to work.

Some people simply have bad luck it seems since I speed all the time.

Vrikk wrote:
Sku Boi wrote:

Just got my liscense. Not looking forward to getting my first ticket.

I've been driving for over 3 years and only been pulled over once. It was for speeding, and it was my fault since I was late to work.

Some people simply have bad luck it seems since I speed all the time.

Yeah, I'm one of those people. I have about... 6 or 7 tickets on my record. I've never claimed that the law was unfair, although I was a little pissed the time I got stopped for doing 55MPH in a 45MPH zone, and I was clocked about 15 feet before it switched to 55MPH. I didn't bother fighting it though, and just mailed them off a check. I've never had a reckless driving ticket, so at least my insurance isn't killing me.

Could be worse. In Tel Aviv, most of the cars are compact. There are more cars in the city then parking spots, so it is tough to find one. People park in incorrect spots all the time. They have roving tow trucks that actually can pull up on the side of a car, a scoop comes down and lifts the car onto the bed and it takes off. It is up to the driver to call and find out if his car was taken away.

I saw this happen, a guy pulled onto the curb in a non parking space, a truck rolled by had it on the bed in 45 secs and the guy came out 5 mins later wondering where his car was.

NemesisZero wrote:

You need a means of ordering the situation. I don't see how that applies to tickets.

The ticket is usually a form of pleading and is a submission to the court. And the concept of respect for the forum, for the process itself, goes a lot further than just maintaining order in the courtroom. It all depends on what the judge is willing to put up with.

karmajay wrote:

In Tel Aviv...They have roving tow trucks :)

Tell me that wouldn't be one of the world's crappiest jobs: Israeli tow truck driver. What is the life expectancy on an occupation in which you tow cars that might explode and every driver has a legal Uzi?

Robear wrote:

There's a lot to be said for a monk-like humility when dealing with traffic cops.

I have a trick that has gotten me out of speeding tickets every single time I've used it. This only works for women, and probably only on men who are frightened of aggressively sexual women...but ya know in Texas, there's a lot of them.

Here's how I learned the "Woof" trick. Once in an area known for stopping cars under the 60K price tag point, I got pulled over for going 3 miles over the speed limit. The cop that unfolded himself from the car was an Aryan wet dream... probably 22, 6 and a half feet tall, blond, gorgeous, pants so tight you could tell he was a Christian...and as he came up to the window of my sports car...his Christianity was right at about eye level. So, I kinda stared at it for a second, then slowly let my eyes travel up the rest of this Aryan mountain of Blue, and when I got to his face, I just said; "Woof!" and raised an eyebrow and kinda grinned that evil Scorpio grin that promises evil and pleasure all in one swoop.

Poor kid got so flustered he just turned around, went back to his car, and drove away. To test the theory, I've used it on 4 other cops since then...and it's worked every time.

The Woof Defense. Don't leave home without it. *

*Your mileage may vary. Not valid in Tennessee.

duckideva wrote:

*Your mileage may vary. Not valid in Tennessee.

I'll keep that in mind. I'm driving to Knoxville this evening.

You know, I may be male, but I'm half-tempted to start speeding only to try that one out.

Funkenpants wrote:

The ticket is usually a form of pleading and is a submission to the court. And the concept of respect for the forum, for the process itself, goes a lot further than just maintaining order in the courtroom.

In how far?

It all depends on what the judge is willing to put up with.

Which indicates to me just how nonsensical that law is - law being the institution we have for the express purpose of removing personal bias from the justice system.

duckideva wrote:

men who are frightened of aggressively sexual women...but ya know in Texas, there's a lot of them.

Everything's bigger in Texas, including male insecurity.

NemesisZero wrote:

Which indicates to me just how nonsensical that law is - law being the institution we have for the express purpose of removing personal bias from the justice system.

There's a difference between bias and discretion. No single rule covers every situation, and judges typically have a wide amount of discretion in managing the cases coming through the courthouse.

Oh please. The decision on whether a person shows contempt to the court, which means in no small part the judge himself, can not possibly be ruled by the judge's discretion, which is the consideration of the case's individual characteristics with no regard for one's personal opinion. How can a judge decide whether a person has conducted him- or herself in an offensive manner in front of the court without of being biased by whether he or she feels offended or not?

By the by, you attach not legally defined values - such as respect - to a tool that is to me clearly a pragmatic tool in a specific social situation. A judge can not base his or her decision on such concepts.

NemesisZero wrote:

Oh please. The decision on whether a person shows contempt to the court, which means in no small part the judge himself, can not possibly be ruled by the judge's discretion, which is the consideration of the case's individual characteristics with no regard for one's personal opinion.

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here, but there's a difference between judging the merits of the case (in effect, whether one side adequately proves its claim) and making sure that the proceedings are conducted to a standard of behavior. And even if there was a rule set down in stone, I'm pretty sure "don't enter your plea with a curse" would be pretty high on the list.