I have had it with these Adorable babies on this adorable plane!

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I just wanted to confirm, we should not hate children. We should hate parents.

To recap, my weekend was made terrible by an idiotic business trip, and Spirit Airlines.

On my flight out to Tampa (don't get excited, I was an hour outside of Tampa doing my work and at the hotel).

A girl threw up on our flight. She made a bit of a mess. I have no issues with a kid doing this, or an adult. My problem is the mother. I am not sure if she was on ambien, or drunk, or a fun combination of the two. She just parked her 2 kids in the isle crying. And she just kept mumbling "I don't know what I should do." (or variations on that theme). The stewardess was trying to just get all 3 of them off. She offered trash bags for the soiled blankets and backpack. And eventually the stewardess had to just coral the mom and daughters pair back to a set of seats.

So in the future, don't hit babies, punch mothers and fathers.

I see a couple of four year olds at the gate for my flight, but no babbies as of yet.

KingGorilla wrote:

I just wanted to confirm, we should not hate children. We should hate parents.

Sure. But it is "ok" to not be enamored with children. They're largely most interesting to the relatives. If you're childfree that limits the number of children you interact with and want to interact with. So what you described, while definitely more "hate the parents" would make me wish the kids had been left at home with friends or family.

KingGorilla wrote:

To recap, my weekend was made terrible by an idiotic business trip, and Spirit Airlines.

See, that's your problem right there. Although I have to admit, that stewardess is now the single best (and possibly only) story of good customer service I've heard for that airline.

Jolly Bill wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

To recap, my weekend was made terrible by an idiotic business trip, and Spirit Airlines.

See, that's your problem right there. Although I have to admit, that stewardess is now the single best (and possibly only) story of good customer service I've heard for that airline.

The tickets were purchased for me, it was not my choice. I would have flown AirTran (Highly recommended).

Spirit isn't for customer service. It's for getting you to Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic as cheaply as humanly possible.

Ah. Spirit. The Chinatown bus of the skies.

We got a Delta flight back. They are a fine carrier, but my main bitch is that it is tough to get direct flights from them, except hub to hub. Tampa to Detroit was punctuated with a Cincinnati stop. Milwaukee to Detroit is also punctuated that way.

Before the trip out I just groaned at the Spirit ticket. My wife asked me what the big deal was, and that she never had flown Spirit.

My witty retort was, and you never will suffer through that, it was one of my vows.

My thing is that Spirit and Southwest are both bargain/budget airlines. Southwest is much better. SW is always in the top satisfaction surveys.

Paleocon wrote:

Ah. Spirit. The Chinatown bus of the skies.

YOINK

KingGorilla wrote:

My thing is that Spirit and Southwest are both bargain/budget airlines. Southwest is much better. SW is always in the top satisfaction surveys.

Please don't compare my least favorite and most favorite airlines in one sentence. That hurts my brain.

My favorite airline right now is Virgin America but I hear really good things about Singapore Air.

Oh my gosh, Singapore Airlines is the best airline out there, and I've tried a few. The service is absolutely impeccable, the stewardesses change three times during the flight and look absolutely perfect in addition to being incredibly helpful. A five star airline if ever there was one. Yes, even when you fly coach (and that's all I fly, but I'm told the first class on Singapore is heaven).

Back on topic... I'm a filthy skimmer and only read the first and the last couple pages, but I really feel that there isn't much to be said on the subject. I was on both sides of the fence. Not that long ago, I was the one complaining because of a screaming infant. Now I'm the one with the child, and I really, really do my best to keep the volume down. I'll say one thing though, those twelve hour flights seem long to adults, but they're hell for small children. Endless. Just keep in mind that the parents aren't enjoying the screaming any more than you are.

Can't you just leave it at a kennel?

KingGorilla wrote:

Can't you just leave it at a kennel?

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Never even left my cat in a kennel/pet hotel.

Look, I say if babies want to stay in this country, they should learn to speak the language.

So I wasn't exactly fully awake when I posted that and the sentence got a bit convoluted, so shoot me. Let me rephrase that.

Even my cat never spent a minute in a pet hotel, so wouldn't put my child in a kennel.
(Also, yes, I'm aware it was a joke. I hope.)

DSGamer wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

I just wanted to confirm, we should not hate children. We should hate parents.

Sure. But it is "ok" to not be enamored with children. They're largely most interesting to the relatives. If you're childfree that limits the number of children you interact with and want to interact with. So what you described, while definitely more "hate the parents" would make me wish the kids had been left at home with friends or family.

Not to get on you DS, but there are times when it's reasonable, may be even expected, for parents to go find somebody to take the kids. I'm thinking say an adult movie or a night out at a fancy restaurant. But there are a lot of people who don't have the luxury of leaving their kids for days with family or friends. About the only people that I've seen will do this are grandparents, and my family need to take a plane ride just to get to my parent's house, so it's a catch 22.

There are things parents can do to lighten the burden - avoid red-eyes, pack plenty of distractions, and don't try 12-hour flights with kids under 6. But still, there's just times that parents and kids need to travel.

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Problem solved.

Neighbor issue. And I do not want to start a new thread. What is up with all of the people taking their little rat dogs onto the plane as a carry on?

I can go into a long dissertation of how they do this, the short story this is one area of the Americans with Disabilities act that needs major reform-service dogs currently do not need to be licensed or trained in any way. We are also getting away from needing a disability diagnosis to have a service animal, so bully.

Last I checked there was an extra fee for bringing a small dog on as a carry on / small bag. (125.00 for Delta). Given the high probability your dog will die if it flies as checked baggage, lying in a crate at my feet would be the only way I would ever allow my dogs on a plane.

Seth wrote:

Last I checked there was an extra fee for bringing a small dog on as a carry on / small bag. (125.00 for Delta). Given the high probability your dog will die if it flies as checked baggage, lying in a crate at my feet would be the only way I would ever allow my dogs on a plane.

High probability? My dog (an 11lb miniature daschund) made the flight from Seattle to Hawaii as 'checked baggage' without any issue whatsoever. Maybe this is unique to Hawaiian Air, but the cargo bay was pressurized and temperature controlled.

No that is all flights, it has to be pressurized and temp controlled. Checked luggage lets you take aerosol cans, ammunition, etc.

High probability vs the cabin. Still a low statistical percentage overall.

Still, my miniature dachshunds are family. A 1% chance of them not being stored properly by some f*ckwit airline employee is way too high for me.

Taking your dog as a carry-on lowers the probability of it being sent to the wrong side of the pond.

Seth wrote:

High probability vs the cabin. Still a low statistical percentage overall.

Still, my miniature dachshunds are family. A 1% chance of them not being stored properly by some f*ckwit airline employee is way too high for me.

A different community I am part of is centered around dogs. Many of them travel, and many airlines will allow you to stay with the crate and go with it and watch as they put it (crate with pet) in the cargo hold of the plane.

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