I have had it with these Adorable babies on this adorable plane!

LouZiffer wrote:

GioClark has buried that hatchet so deep I can't see the handle.

Yeah. Not really sure what to say to that. That's the kind of apology that's so good that it makes you glad you had a disagreement because the outcome left you in a better place than where you started. Gaining insight into what makes another person tick and understanding them is hard. Translating that through the Internet is almost impossible at times. So I'm a bit humbled by your response and we're all good. Thanks. Sorry if I responded a little raw. I think I had a similar reaction in that your post caused me to view what you wrote through the lens of how we childfree are frequently talked to about the subject of kids. I will try to break down why I appreciated it and words will fail me, so thanks. I will say that you're correct about comparing your example and mine. So I'm sorry if I touched a nerve. It wasn't my intention.

Gio, DSG... I love you guys.

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DSGamer wrote:

we're all good.

I'm glad. Looking forward to our next disagreement.

PS: Fars.. Love the sig.

DSGamer wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

I'm starting to get the War on Christmas, War on Christianity, and White-Males-Are-Really-Getting-The-Shaft vibe from this thread.

This is one of those depressing threads where I start to ask myself why I'm here. Do I make any contributions that are appreciated to GWJ writ-large. Do I actually have friends here or do my opinions in this thread mean that I'm largely disliked based on these opinions.

That's not some victim card nonsense. When it gets this heated I literally ask myself (and sometimes other people over PM) if I should just go away for a period of time. If I should go away for a long time, etc.

Often I feel like the most hated man on P&C, so I get where you're coming from. Fortunately I feed on hate, which is why my favorite Diablo class is the demon hunter.

In all seriousness, this forum particularly has a bad habit of ganging up on anyone who holds a contrarian view. You're always entitled to your opinion, and just because everyone is telling you you are wrong doesn't mean your entire view is wrong. On the flip side, one of the things I appreciate about this forum is there are often heartfelt discussions and I get to see the reasons why people believe the way they do. Also, if you're getting into a lot of fights with someone, go invite them to a multiplayer gaming session. It's worked for me in a number of MMOs.

Getting back to the topic, society as a whole has a weird love/hate relationship with children and parents. On one hand, our society has never been so kid obsessed. Back in the 80s, I remember cartoons being something you watched on Saturdays, playgrounds were still death traps, there were a handful of places that catered exclusively to kids, and my parents still subscribed to the idea that children should be seen not heard. Now we have dozens of kid channels, elaborate and perfectly child proof playgrounds, a bunch of Chuck E Cheeze rip offs, and parents who see keeping their kids happy and "enriched" every minute of the day as their sole reason for existence. But then society also has no patience for children being children and there is little to no recognition of how hard parents work to keep everything running.

I'm not sure I can comfortably give my opinion on the original topic. Figure the thread is so far gone at this point I might as well join in on the peeing.

I traveled a lot as a child, teenager, young adult, and now mid-20s professional. I also work with children for my job.

Also, rub some alcohol on their gums and they'll pass right out on a plane.

Vector wrote:

Also, rub some alcohol on their gums and they'll pass right out on a plane.

Is that even legal? While the idea of having a miracle sleepy-time drug sounds awesome, I recoil in horror at actually thinking of doing that to Abigail. I'm lucky in that she's a great sleeper and extraordinarily well behaved in public and in private, so I don't really need in any case.

If our grandparents used to do it, it must be a traditional family value, right?

In the interest of lightening the mood:

clover wrote:

For context: I fly pretty often. I made status the first time when I was 14. I have no plans to ever have kids.

That being said, screaming or crying is annoying, but I only really have a problem with parents that act like they don't give a sh*t. If you're doing all you can to soothe your kid, and being apologetic, what more can you do, you know? I feel for you.

But if your kid is just being a brat and messing with other people, or you're trying to get them to play with some stranger so you can get a little sleep, that really grinds my gears. Just because you're now immune to their spoiled screaming doesn't mean the rest of us are, so control your hellion.

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Rallick wrote:
Vector wrote:

Also, rub some alcohol on their gums and they'll pass right out on a plane.

Is that even legal? While the idea of having a miracle sleepy-time drug sounds awesome, I recoil in horror at actually thinking of doing that to Abigail. I'm lucky in that she's a great sleeper and extraordinarily well behaved in public and in private, so I don't really need in any case.

Maybe? I have no idea. My mother used to give me a half a gravol or, apparently, my dad would rub some whiskey on my gums. Knocked me out on the long flights. If the kid has problems with the change in pressure though there's nothing any drug or alcohol will do. I've had great and terrible experiences with babies and children on planes. When you're paying $1000s on a ticket you do expect a certain amount of comfort. As long as a parent at least shows concern for the well being of the other passengers then I usually am satiated.

clover wrote:

If our grandparents used to do it, it must be a traditional family value, right? ;)

Just keep 'em away from the lawn darts for the rest of the day, and they'll be fine.

Lawn darts were the best. Especially when you stood right next to the target ring.

Robear wrote:

Lawn darts were the best. Especially when you stood right next to the target ring.

Oh, I know.

Huh. I forgot about that. We'd all have been amazed if anyone had actually been hurt. Childhood is like that.

So, next time a kid starts driving you crazy on a plane, just remember that you don't want to react like this guy:

http://www.examiner.com/article/man-...

The case of the man slapping a crying baby aboard a Delta Airlines plane was one of the top stories in Sunday's Daily Mail with reports that the suspect, Joe Rickey Hundey, was fired or resigned from his job.

The Mail reports that Hundley's employer, AGC Aerospace and Defense, says Hundley is no longer employed at the company but the company did not say whether he was fired or resigned.

Hundley, 60, is accused of calling a baby the n-word, then slapping the 19-month-old on a Delta Airlines flight to Atlanta from Minneapolis.

The baby’s mother told ABC News that Hundley was so drunk that he fell on her face and used the n-word in her ear when referring to her adopted son.

jdzappa wrote:

So, next time a kid starts driving you crazy on a plane, just remember that you don't want to react like this guy:

http://www.examiner.com/article/man-...

The case of the man slapping a crying baby aboard a Delta Airlines plane was one of the top stories in Sunday's Daily Mail with reports that the suspect, Joe Rickey Hundey, was fired or resigned from his job.

The Mail reports that Hundley's employer, AGC Aerospace and Defense, says Hundley is no longer employed at the company but the company did not say whether he was fired or resigned.

Hundley, 60, is accused of calling a baby the n-word, then slapping the 19-month-old on a Delta Airlines flight to Atlanta from Minneapolis.

The baby’s mother told ABC News that Hundley was so drunk that he fell on her face and used the n-word in her ear when referring to her adopted son.

Numpty?

jdzappa wrote:

So, next time a kid starts driving you crazy on a plane, just remember that you don't want to react like this guy:

http://www.examiner.com/article/man-...

Hundley, 60, is accused of calling a baby the n-word, then slapping the 19-month-old on a Delta Airlines flight to Atlanta from Minneapolis.

Perhaps he was equating the cherubic angel to a popular candy of his youth, and an affectionate pat became exaggerated owing to the poor motor control of intoxication.

That, or old white racist. Y'know, six of one.

How does anyone expect HITTING a baby to get them to STOP crying?

ccesarano wrote:

How does anyone expect HITTING a baby to get them to STOP crying?

Because booze.

ccesarano wrote:

How does anyone expect HITTING a baby to get them to STOP crying?

You just asked us to explain child abuse to you. And I got nothing.

That dude must really have a deathwish. I am pretty sure half the folks I know would have beat that ass munch to within microns of the hereafter.

Paleocon wrote:

That dude must really have a deathwish. I am pretty sure half the folks I know would have beat that ass munch to within microns of the hereafter.

Indeed. I will be flying on a plane to oahu in 10 days and if I saw something like this happen I would have stepped in. For the record I will be flying with my 11 month old child. and no vector I will not rub alcohol on her gums. since "The baby's brain and spinal cord (central nervous system) continue to grow after birth, and can be affected by alcohol." I am sure a small amount would do nothing, but might as well not take the chance.

Bonnonon wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

That dude must really have a deathwish. I am pretty sure half the folks I know would have beat that ass munch to within microns of the hereafter.

Indeed. I will be flying on a plane to oahu in 10 days and if I saw something like this happen I would have stepped in. For the record I will be flying with my 11 month old child. and no vector I will not rub alcohol on her gums. since "The baby's brain and spinal cord (central nervous system) continue to grow after birth, and can be affected by alcohol." I am sure a small amount would do nothing, but might as well not take the chance.

I think I was 10 months old when I first went to Oahu. I cried when I fell off the chair because my Dad was too busy mixing his drink. So the moral of the story is pay attention to the baby rather than mix your drink.

The nice thing about flights to/from Hawaii is that they're generally on dual-aisle planes, so it's really easy to get up and walk around with the baby in order to quiet him/her down.

Vector wrote:
Bonnonon wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

That dude must really have a deathwish. I am pretty sure half the folks I know would have beat that ass munch to within microns of the hereafter.

Indeed. I will be flying on a plane to oahu in 10 days and if I saw something like this happen I would have stepped in. For the record I will be flying with my 11 month old child. and no vector I will not rub alcohol on her gums. since "The baby's brain and spinal cord (central nervous system) continue to grow after birth, and can be affected by alcohol." I am sure a small amount would do nothing, but might as well not take the chance.

I think I was 10 months old when I first went to Oahu. I cried when I fell off the chair because my Dad was too busy mixing his drink. So the moral of the story is not to be born on an episode of Mad Men.

FTFY

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Sorry, a cocktail is far more important than a baby. You should have been born a cocktail, Vector, then we'd all pay more attention to you.

I would take a stiff Vector, stirred.

Seth wrote:

I would take a stiff Vector, stirred.

You want a stiff what? [giggle]

heavyfeul wrote:
Seth wrote:

I would take a stiff Vector, stirred.

You want a stiff what? [giggle]

Vector -> Butt?