The Federal Prop. 8 Trial / Gay Marriage Catch-All

Did this heckler even know the two people getting married?

Nomad wrote:
NSMike wrote:

Well, a Christian heckler disturbed the first gay wedding in New Jersey, but, in other news, the Christie administration dropped their challenge to same sex marriage.

Number 14.

To be fair, he was only legitimately responding to the question asked if anyone was opposed...

Seriously though, it makes me sad when people act like jerks in the name of the biggest non-jerk in the history of the universe.

The officiant didn't seem to think much of his "objection." There isn't much of a story there, either, but why would a polite objector have to be removed? No, this guy was there to make noise and be disruptive, and nothing else.

Yeah, it's not like there's every a legitimate reason to actually respond to the "does anybody have any objections to these two getting married" question. It's just a symbolic part of the ceremony. The guy was being an epic-level douchebag.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Yeah, it's not like there's every a legitimate reason to actually respond to the "does anybody have any objections to these two getting married" question. It's just a symbolic part of the ceremony. The guy was being an epic-level douchebag.

Come on, I've seen romantic comedies and everyone knows it's totally there so that the bride's secret love can properly express his need for her for the very first time.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Yeah, it's not like there's every a legitimate reason to actually respond to the "does anybody have any objections to these two getting married" question. It's just a symbolic part of the ceremony. The guy was being an epic-level douchebag.

Come on, I've seen romantic comedies and everyone knows it's totally there so that the bride's secret love can properly express his need for her for the very first time.

I am so glad my church dropped the "if anyone has an objections" line decades ago.

That was only topped by my church forbidding the "love, honor, and obey" line unless BOTH parties say it (although they did grant a dispensation on the ban for a gay couple that is in a dom/sub relationship).

Oh, and no "Here Comes the Bride" or Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" allowed during the service as both are considered "highly inappropriate."

I love my denomination so hard.

NSMike wrote:
Nomad wrote:
NSMike wrote:

Well, a Christian heckler disturbed the first gay wedding in New Jersey, but, in other news, the Christie administration dropped their challenge to same sex marriage.

Number 14.

To be fair, he was only legitimately responding to the question asked if anyone was opposed...

Seriously though, it makes me sad when people act like jerks in the name of the biggest non-jerk in the history of the universe.

The officiant didn't seem to think much of his "objection." There isn't much of a story there, either, but why would a polite objector have to be removed? No, this guy was there to make noise and be disruptive, and nothing else.

And just to note, that was Cory Booker officiating, Newark mayor and soon to be member of the US Senate. He gave a great response to the heckler, too.

In some international news, the Australian Capital Territory (Australia's Washington DC, essentially) legalized Same Sex marriage.

Just watched Monday's daily show episode, and do you know how they handled the heckler?

By giving him (I assume him?) no air time or comment whatsoever.

It was all about Cory Booker and his "rock the house" excitement.

So I had no idea there was a heckler. Hurray New Jersey!

At least, he got his wish and died as a married man. My thoughts are with his husband and his family.

That being said, I looked at the comments, and of course, bad idea.

Video from the New Jersey wedding ceremony interrupted by the heckler, showing that it wasn't a simple opportune objection and a full-on disruption:

http://goo.gl/tjCZZ8

Yeah, f*ck that guy for messing up what should have been a special moment for that couple.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

That was only topped by my church forbidding the "love, honor, and obey" line unless BOTH parties say it (although they did grant a dispensation on the ban for a gay couple that is in a dom/sub relationship).

Yeah, my wife didn't dig that line very much when we first started planning our ceremony.

Go figure.

Rubb Ed and I experienced one of the benefits of being married and having our marriage recognized by the federal government.

The night before we pulled back into port, we were given a customs declaration form to fill out, but since we were married, we just needed to fill out one form and indicate we were a family.

As we disembarked from our anniversary cruise, a security person was shouting that U.S. citizens needed to be lined up to the right and non-U.S. citizens were to go to the left. I ask if I was a U.S. citizen married to a foreign national should I use the right or left lane. She indicated the left lane which was empty of people while the U.S. citizen lane was about 300 deep.

We waited maybe five minutes and then proceeded to the customs officer. We walked up and I stated, "I am a U.S. citizen married to a Canadian citizen and a U.S. permanent resident. He looked at our passports and Rubb's Green Card and we chatted a few seconds before he scanned over the customs declaration form and sent us on our way.

Having to only fill out one form for both of us maybe a very small matter, but for Rubb Ed and me, it meant so much.

We are married and a family.

Somewhere, Maggie Gallagher is drowning in her own tears.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Having to only fill out one form for both of us maybe a very small matter, but for Rubb Ed and me, it meant so much.

We are married and a family.

That warms my heart--I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.

NSMike wrote:

In some international news, the Australian Capital Territory (Australia's Washington DC, essentially) legalized Same Sex marriage.

That's immediately and expectedly been challenged by the Commonwealth (i.e. federal) government on constitutional grounds since it conflicts with the federal Marriage Act, not sure how it will all shake out. It'll be a bit messy, the local government is already in the process of amending the laws to maximise the chances of it being upheld.

There's also been accusations from some gay marriage campaigners that the bill was lodged by the Territory (Labor) government primarily as a political dig against the Commonwealth (Liberal) government after the last elections, and they're worried that the bill will be defeated and set back the whole cause.

Hope it gets upheld, but it could require some pretty fancy legal work.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Oh, and no "Here Comes the Bride" or Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" allowed during the service as both are considered "highly inappropriate."

I love my denomination so hard.

In my mind, "I will Always Love You" is irrevocably connected to The Simpsons episode where Homer took a job of a bodyguard.

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ratzofftoya wrote:
Phoenix Rev wrote:

Having to only fill out one form for both of us maybe a very small matter, but for Rubb Ed and me, it meant so much.

We are married and a family.

That warms my heart--I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.

You are not.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Somewhere, Maggie Gallagher is drowning in her own tears.

This also warms my heart.

Looks like that warm fuzzy heart thing is contagious.

Eleima wrote:

Looks like that warm fuzzy heart thing is contagious. :D

Possibly congenital too!

These kids are incredibly smart.

Many adults could learn from them.

Phoenix Rev, when you go to a fancy restaurant are you like burping all the time?

(6:00)

Yonder wrote:

Phoenix Rev, when you go to a fancy restaurant are you like burping all the time?

(6:00)

Never. But I understand her sentiment.

Not that it was likely to get a vote in the house, or pass it, but Boehner has pretty much officially quashed ENDA's hopes of passage:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/boeh...

Tanglebones wrote:

Not that it was likely to get a vote in the house, or pass it, but Boehner has pretty much officially quashed ENDA's hopes of passage:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/boeh...

cuz jobs. small business. 9/11. 'merica.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

These kids are incredibly smart.

Many adults could learn from them.

10 years ago when I did a talk (for a college speech class -- getting my teaching license) on Gay Marriage, I thought from the stats I was reading that it would be another generation, but that it would be inevitable. Back then the stats said, people older than 65 were 70% against, and people younger than 30 where 70% for.

If I had seen this video back then, I would have still thought that once these kids were adults, young adults, it would still take a generation or two.

Now?

I would say of these kids....all I can think of is a song playing over and over in my mind.

In the words of Tracy Chapman, "Don't you know, they're talkin' bout a revolution..."

It's happening now, baby.

A southern New Jersey couple has sued Gov. Chris Christie over his signing of a bill banning so-called gay conversion therapy, claiming it violates their constitutional rights.

The couple, who isn’t identified in the court papers filed Friday, claims the law violates their rights to free speech and free exercise of religion because it prevents them from seeking treatment for their 15-year-old son.

According to the lawsuit, the teen suffers from “unwanted gender identity disorder and unwanted same-sex attractions” and has contemplated suicide.

Christie signed the bill in August. It bans licensed therapists from trying to turn gay teenagers straight. The Republican governor said the health risks of trying to change a child’s sexual orientation, as identified by the American Psychological Association, trump concerns over setting limits on parental choice.

Parents like these are exactly why laws like this are a necessity. Ugh.

Hypatian wrote:

A southern New Jersey couple has sued Gov. Chris Christie over his signing of a bill banning so-called gay conversion therapy, claiming it violates their constitutional rights.

The couple, who isn’t identified in the court papers filed Friday, claims the law violates their rights to free speech and free exercise of religion because it prevents them from seeking treatment for their 15-year-old son.

According to the lawsuit, the teen suffers from “unwanted gender identity disorder and unwanted same-sex attractions” and has contemplated suicide.

Christie signed the bill in August. It bans licensed therapists from trying to turn gay teenagers straight. The Republican governor said the health risks of trying to change a child’s sexual orientation, as identified by the American Psychological Association, trump concerns over setting limits on parental choice.

Parents like these are exactly why laws like this are a necessity. Ugh.

And the bolded bit is the answer to the asshole parent's question.

I suppose I should have known this would eventually come up, but yep, still disappointing as all hell.