Wii U Catch-All

Blind_Evil wrote:

Nintendo wouldn't take back some DS Lites that had cracked hinges so Amazon decided not to sell their hardware anymore. That's the common story, anyway.

Amazon told me the reason was that they were never gauranteed a constant supply.

cube wrote:

Or Nintendo's giving preferential pricing to Costco since Amazon US won't carry the system.

My guess is Costco is trying to get rid of extra stock or they just hoping for a spike in sales. Either way that cut had nothing to do with Nintendo and was all on Costco.

PRG013 wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

Nintendo wouldn't take back some DS Lites that had cracked hinges so Amazon decided not to sell their hardware anymore. That's the common story, anyway.

Amazon told me the reason was that they were never gauranteed a constant supply.

Eh, that's never stopped Amazon with board games or any other limited supply product.

My frustration with Nintendo is they seem to be myopically focused on hardware that is best utilized in creating games that are uniquely "Nintendo" games. They have all but given up trying to create a platform that can be something to everyone. (When I say that it is directed to more than the consumer) The market these days is just so risky and at times capital intensive that its really up to the platform holder to create a platform that can be everything to everyone. Why isolate anything in order to deliver something that in essence is going to tunnel not only your consumer base but your developer base into a X style of game.

The industry has embraced all sorts of games from big budget photo realistic RPG's, Shooters, and Open World games to 8 bit retro Indie games... It feels like Nintendo continues to now create unique platform experiences that only allow a portion of the "gaming ecosystem" on them. If I'm a third party publisher and I have $X dollars to invest in 2013 and I need to make X% return on that $ chances are I'm not going to risk that on the Wii U. I have to develop a specific title for that platform (both in a control aspect as well as shortly a graphical aspect once the 720/PS4 launch) that brings my X% return down a few notches and if those few notches are a few to many then the Wii U is left out in the cold.

Nintendo apologists will scream that Nintendo titles are among the highest selling titles every year.. and of course they are.. since Nintendo produces a brilliant title catered to their hardware specifically. They have a built in ability to reach that X% ROI that far out exceeds a third party publishers ability... Could a third party have equal success as Nintendo on the Wii U by carefully crafting a title that maximizes both the control and graphical prowess of the Wii U? You bet they could.. is the hurdle (risk wise) something the Management team can get by? Probably not... especially in about a year.

It's easy to point the finger that it all changed when Sony and Microsoft got into the game..since they unlike Nintendo could afford to subsidize their platform simply because they were both Companies that didnt rely on the Gaming Division to produce a profit.. They (Microsoft and Sony at the time but no longer) could push the cost of the platform higher than Nintendo could comfortably go creating an environment that changed the "game" so to speak.. forcing Nintendo to adapt or die... I guess that I'm just frustrated because it would be super cool to see what interesting multiplayer online RPG's and Strategy games could come out of Third Parties if Nintendo was still the go to company.

Nintendo has their franchises.. and for someone like me.. its not nearly what it used to be when I was playing the SNES. Now.. I just see wasted opportunity.

I spoke too soon, apparently the costco thing was a pricing error. No way they are gonna honor those orders.

Bah, I was about to pull the trigger, too.

Just as well I didn't. I'm buying furniture tomorrow.

I think what's just tired and trite at this point is people having to point at the fact that Nintendo has always been "the worst" or "in trouble", and yet time passes and they're still here. They're facing some trouble now, but they're in no danger of vanishing. Hell, people talk about how Nintendo can't sustain consoles/handhelds forever, but everyone knows by now that Nintendo started as a card company. Is it really unfathomable that Nintendo won't move with the times? What if the Famicom returns and they release computers? Or they release their own brand of smart phone optimized for their own games?

Who the Hell knows. It's Nintendo, and when you get right down to it they're the ones that actually tried to change the face of gaming when Xbox and Playstation were going the conservative route. They're trying to shake things up again while all rumors still suggest Xbox and Playstation are going the conservative route. The people that gripe most are the ones resisting change, not welcoming it. And even now Nintendo is trying to correct mistakes, such as reaching out to third parties.

So it's too early to claim Nintendo is going to die. And if we're patting each other on the back, well duh. We're here because, guess what? We like Nintendo. Is it so surprising that we'd feel as if people saying all these negative things are off the mark? There's been plenty of griping as well, and you'll also find it in the 3DS thread. But people like Nintendo specifically for Nintendo being Nintendo, if that makes sense.

I'm honestly as sick of Nintendo hate as I'm sick of people hating on DLC, Piracy debates, and seeing endless numbers of studios close in this harsh climate (Junction Point is gone with barely a whisper). What's wrong with optimism? It seems people get off more on forecasting doom and gloom these days, at least where Nintendo is concerned. Reminds me of being 12 years old and hating Disney because it was Disney.

Gumbie wrote:

I spoke too soon, apparently the costco thing was a pricing error. No way they are gonna honor those orders.

That's very poor form if they won't honor it.

I'm hoping for some bundles to appear around the next holiday season. I'd probably jump on a Deluxe + NSMB bundle.

ahrezmendi wrote:
Gumbie wrote:

I spoke too soon, apparently the costco thing was a pricing error. No way they are gonna honor those orders.

That's very poor form if they won't honor it.

I'm hoping for some bundles to appear around the next holiday season. I'd probably jump on a Deluxe + NSMB bundle.

This is my plan too. I would theoretically get one sooner but I don't have the expendable income at the moment.

shoptroll wrote:

I believe so, although you probably still need to do the silly "start the game, exit, then copy data over" thing. Although I haven't tested this myself.

Still not sure why Nintendo requires a game to be played before you can add the save data into the machine.

OMG this totally worked... I was able to move my save game data for Skyward Sword over from my Wii to the Wii U...

So happy that I can do this without going through the whole system transfer thing.

I did notice that certain games won't let you copy their save data to the SD card, which is kind of annoying, but what can you do. I'm going to try moving Xenoblade next.

GG, you make some interesting points about Nintendo always needing to blaze their own path. Personally, I like and respect a company that doesn't just want to tow the line but I can also see the economic arguments you make. I guess my question is, what does Nintendo do if not what they're doing now? They can't just get into the arms race with Microsoft and Sony because it's questionable if this upcoming generation can even sustain two consoles trying to do that, forget three. Do they just become a multi-platform software company, releasing their games for everyone else's systems? I suppose they could do that, their IPs are strong enough that it could carry them into that transition. It didn't work out so great for Sega but then again, Sonic ain't Mario and Phantasy Star ain't Zelda. The whole "they should just make mobile games" argument I've seen trotted strikes me as incredibly foolhardy. Simply because aside from how radically they'd have to change their games, it's already been shown that mobile gaming is as high-risk, if not more so than console development and the units they would have to sell to turn a profit making the types of games people would want simply isn't realistic. I don't know what else Nintendo can do other than try to be different as they are.

I just played the third level of the Rayman level, Castle Rock.

If you are having problems justifying your Wii U purchase, download the demo, play through the 3 levels, and then wriggle with impatience until the full game launches! That's what I am doing.

spider_j wrote:

I just played the third level of the Rayman level, Castle Rock.

If you are having problems justifying your Wii U purchase, download the demo, play through the 3 levels, and then wriggle with impatience until the full game launches! That's what I am doing.

+1. I've had Rayman Legends pre-ordered since last E3 cause I got it on a discount but as soon as I heard it was a new Rayman game, that alone had me impatient. My girlfriend and I can't wait for this!

I just want to comment how bizarre it is to hear people anticipating a new Rayman game. That's how you refocus your franchise.

Though sadly I don't think it's for me. I tried the Origins demo on 3DS and discovered I wasn't much a fan, but I can certainly see the appeal.

Sorry, I know this is a thing about sales numbers again but I really wanted to point out this fantastic article that talks not only about why the Wii U's lower numbers shouldn't worry anyone but how dumb the pure numbers arguments are that many analysts and press sites are throwing around these days. And this is from a site that loves to revel in analyst quotes and doom and gloom scenarios. The "enthusiast" press should all be forced to re-read this article once a day.

I just saw a quick shot of a game called X on this weeks episode of Bonus Round on Gametrailers.

I only saw the big mech part of the game on gametrailers. The youtube video makes it look like a Monster Hunter/Borderlands 2 mashup, at least a little bit.

It's the next game from Monolith Soft, makers of Xenogears (kinda), Xenosaga, Baten Kaitos, and the more recent Xenoblade Chronicles for Wii. This is probably Xenoblade 2. The guy in the screencap for that video looks just like Shulk, the main character from Xenoblade. It'll be exclusive, as they're owned by Nintendo. Hopefully it'll be here sooner rather than later, as the game looked pretty far along in production IMO.

If you have a Wii U, you should try watching that trailer through the eShop... on my TV it was high def, and the gameplay looked amazing... so looking forward to seeing this for real on the console...

ccesarano wrote:

I just want to comment how bizarre it is to hear people anticipating a new Rayman game. That's how you refocus your franchise.

Though sadly I don't think it's for me. I tried the Origins demo on 3DS and discovered I wasn't much a fan, but I can certainly see the appeal.

The Origins demo sucks. I sucked on the 360, and it sucked on the 3DS. I wasn't interested in the game, either, based on those demos but ended up having a really good time with the full game on the Wii. Basically, the demos pop you into random levels in the game with all the powers you gradually gain access to without any context for how to use them.

I'd give the full game a shot, if you get the chance. I know access to your Wii can be spotty, but I'd be happy to lend you my copy if you'd like.

Caution: Eurogamer has posted an article about "HD Mario Kart screen leaks" in the headline. Though it's actually about the Arcade version developed by Namco Bandai, there's a quick note at the bottom...

The series will next appear on Wii U - we'll get our first glimpse at that game during E3, Nintendo has confirmed.

Which I can see being construed as this arcade game will next appear on Wii-U.

That, and there's bound to be people reading a headline that says "HD Mario Kart screen leaks" and just pasting it all over the place. So, no, there's no new information on Mario Kart Wii-U.

There is, however, confirmation from Sakurai that Smash Bros. for both Wii U and 3DS will be shown at E3, although it's not clear at this point whether that will be screenshots, videos, or an on-floor demo.

I'd be surprised if it's just screenshots. There should be a video during their E3 keynote at minimum.

shoptroll wrote:

I'd be surprised if it's just screenshots. There should be a video during their E3 keynote at minimum.

Yeah, and some years ago we should have seen a whole lot more than a guy flailing wildly like a epileptic drummer to Wii Music. And people expected a price and release date for the WiiU even after being told it wasn't coming last year.

Nintendo never bothers worrying about what you expect. For better or worse.

So, more powerful than the PS3 and 360, less powerful than the next generation from Sony and Microsoft. Sounds about like what people here had been saying all along.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

So, more powerful than the PS3 and 360, less powerful than the next generation from Sony and Microsoft. Sounds about like what people here had been saying all along.

Dreamcast 2.0!

garion333 wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

So, more powerful than the PS3 and 360, less powerful than the next generation from Sony and Microsoft. Sounds about like what people here had been saying all along.

Wii 2.0! :P

Fixed.

Edit: In all seriousness it sounds about what the Wii was to the PS2 / Xbox generation.

EvilDead wrote:

Edit: In all seriousness it sounds about what the Wii was to the PS2 / Xbox generation.

You say that like it's a bad thing (tm)

4 Wiis duck taped together!

Mr GT Chris wrote:

4 Wiis duck taped together!

Wouldn't it be 4 gamecubes or 2 Wiis?

I got to play one during the Superbowl. I played Metroid Blast in Nintendoland. It was pretty fun, I didn't like having to tilt the controller to aim. It felt fine in my hands though and I played on the screen itself naturally. It could even tell when I tilted it so far that it was actually upside down.