Wii U Catch-All

OK, I'll make up a different list then:

- Killzone: Mercenary
- Tearaway
- Soul Sacrifice

Plus games like Dragons Crown, Guacamelee, and Sly Cooper are Sony exclusive even if they aren't Vita exclusive. If you want a portable version of those, Vita is your only option, which I think makes them exclusive enough for a comparison between portable systems.

I'm not saying Vita is a flawless, perfect system that everyone should own. What I'm saying is it's not the port-tastic red-headed stepchild everyone seems to think it is.

gamerparent wrote:

Monster Hunter isn't a port.

Mmm, I dunno. It's essentially a very-enhanced port of the Wii game.

A port I'll be playing for 200 hours at least, but still.

Blind_Evil wrote:
gamerparent wrote:

Monster Hunter isn't a port.

Mmm, I dunno. It's essentially a very-enhanced port of the Wii game.

A port I'll be playing for 200 hours at least, but still.

I see. I meant, in the spirit of the discussion, it's not a port from another system, or a multiplatform release. It's exclusive to 3DS / Wii.

That is in the spirit though, at least by cube's description. A lot of games coming out for Vita this year are PS3/Vita exclusive, but they're not *Vita* exclusive. At least that's how I read the comment, if that's not the case then the list of Vita "exclusive" titles skyrockets.

Ok, I admit I don't know a lot about Vita PS3 releases, so when I read "port" I thought it was referring to a multi platform game. Clearly these are two distinct categories in this discussion.... :S

what about the Wii U are we talking about again? :p

I believe the conversation left off somewhere around "Muramasa was an awesome game and deserved to do better", but that was a Wii game.

I just read that one of Rare's more veteran employees left for Sony. Of course now I remember that Rare hasn't been a Nintendo developer for a long time. I got nothing.

Just had a debate with a pretty smart guy I follow on Twitter who ravenously defends Windows Phone, Windows 8 and Microsoft Surface against the analysts who regularly call them a flop because they're off to a slow start. The debate began because he tweeted an argument from Fast Company saying "Is the Wii U destined for gaming's graveyard?" I'm not sure if it's watching someone play Antichamber or this that's giving me my massive headache right now.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

Just had a debate with a pretty smart guy I follow on Twitter who ravenously defends Windows Phone, Windows 8 and Microsoft Surface against the analysts who regularly call them a flop because they're off to a slow start. The debate began because he tweeted an argument from Fast Company saying "Is the Wii U destined for gaming's graveyard?" I'm not sure if it's watching someone play Antichamber or this that's giving me my massive headache right now.

Sounds like he would be sympathetic to Nintendo's plight with the press, but I'm reading you had a debate, so I guess not?

Nope. He tweeted that article and said there was "no daylight for the Wii U." The irony of that when he so vehemently defends Microsoft products in similar slow starts is apparently lost on him.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fem...

Other than SMB what other games are worth it? Not sure ZombiU is up my alley but it seems that enough people thought the same and still enjoyed it

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

The irony of that when he so vehemently defends Microsoft products in similar slow starts is apparently lost on him.

You wouldn't happen to be arguing with Paul Thurrot would you? I think he was one of the few people who championed plenty of products like Zune and Home Server which MS eventually axed due to low sales. Also, completely oblivious to PC gaming (at least on his podcast) over the last few years pushing people to XBox while Steam was raking in money left and right.

Oh right, Nintendo thread. I think I'm finally going to try migrating my Wii data. A 512 MB flash card should be plenty if I only have a handful of things from the shop right? Also, would it make sense to back up the contents of the flash card before importing?

Not saying Muramasa isn't worthy of more attention (it is) but that I hadn't heard anything and it seemed so casual the way it was just in a list with other games. I played it all the way through.

TheGameguru wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fem...

Other than SMB what other games are worth it? Not sure ZombiU is up my alley but it seems that enough people thought the same and still enjoyed it

Why? Why come in this thread, post a mocking article, and then ask a question answered by the hundreds of other posts where people talk about the games they're playing and/or are excited about?

shoptroll wrote:

You wouldn't happen to be arguing with Paul Thurrot would you? I think he was one of the few people who championed plenty of products like Zune and Home Server which MS eventually axed due to low sales. Also, completely oblivious to PC gaming (at least on his podcast) over the last few years pushing people to XBox while Steam was raking in money left and right.

Nope, not him, though he made a comment this morning about BlackBerry in a similar vein that made me laugh. The guy I was debating isn't actually a tech reporter, he's a well known guy in Windows IT circles though. Funny enough, he rarely ever talks about video games at all which was also puzzling as to why he brought it up.

ahrezmendi wrote:

I believe the conversation left off somewhere around "Muramasa was an awesome game and deserved to do better", but that was a Wii game.

If it was that awesome, one of us probably would have bothered to play it over the last three years >_>

I wish journalists would go into a little more detail when the describe platforms as dead, dying, destined for the grave, etc. The PSP had been called dead for quite some time, for a variety of reasons. I think that system did okay, not great. It didn't sink Sony.

How many platforms have died in the last fifteen years? The Dreamcast is all, right? It was preceded by the Sega Saturn, itself a three-year system and outright failure. Each of those boxes sold about 3 million units per year, for those keeping track.

The longer I'm in the workforce, the more I've come to realize that a lot of people expend a lot of energy justifying their salaries. Game journalists need things to talk about, and they need us to be a part of that conversation, one-sided as it may be. Video games don't produce real news year-round, so here we are.

SixteenBlue wrote:

Why?

Just look at that avatar, man. Really look at it.

ahrezmendi wrote:

OK, I'll make up a different list then:

- Killzone: Mercenary
- Tearaway
- Soul Sacrifice

Plus games like Dragons Crown, Guacamelee, and Sly Cooper are Sony exclusive even if they aren't Vita exclusive. If you want a portable version of those, Vita is your only option, which I think makes them exclusive enough for a comparison between portable systems.

I'm not saying Vita is a flawless, perfect system that everyone should own. What I'm saying is it's not the port-tastic red-headed stepchild everyone seems to think it is.

You really don't want to include games without a date, trust me. I've been actively looking for upcomming Vita releases after I got one a few weeks ago, and it's really not pretty. I just limited the list to the end of March, and didn't include any games without a firm US release date. I didn't include Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Project X Zone, SMT: Persona 3DS, SMT4, Ace Attorney 5, Layton 6, etc.

Nintendo understands that handhelds aren't just pocket sized versions of their main consoles. They have a completely different strategy for the 3DS than with the Wii U. They treat the two as if they're completely separate, which gives consumers incentive to own both systems, because there are experiences that you can only get on each. Sony is still in love with the idea that the Vita is literally a pocket PS3. That doesn't help sell Vita's, because people own PS3's, and don't need a Vita to play the games.

Blind_Evil wrote:
ahrezmendi wrote:

I believe the conversation left off somewhere around "Muramasa was an awesome game and deserved to do better", but that was a Wii game.

If it was that awesome, one of us probably would have bothered to play it over the last three years >_>

I can identify precisely why I didn't play it - The Wii controller and resolution. By the time I got around to actually starting Muramasa that 480p maximum resolution, combined with the fact that Muramasa is really a game that screams for a traditional controller rather than Wiimote + Remote, killed my interest. I really wanted to though, and it was around that time the HD updates were announced (for 360/PS3 I believe, haven't heard any more about those though...) so I figured I'd just wait a bit longer and go through the rest of my pile.

Blind_Evil wrote:

I wish journalists would go into a little more detail when the describe platforms as dead, dying, destined for the grave, etc. The PSP had been called dead for quite some time, for a variety of reasons. I think that system did okay, not great. It didn't sink Sony.

How many platforms have died in the last fifteen years? The Dreamcast is all, right? It was preceded by the Sega Saturn, itself a three-year system and outright failure. Each of those boxes sold about 3 million units per year, for those keeping track.

I think you could argue that even the Dreamcast wasn't a failure, even though it did have a short life. Sega's goal was to get out of debt, and it was the Dreamcast that got them out of it. An impressive feat considering they only had 1 year before the PS2 launched. It certainly wasn't a failure the way the Sega Saturn was.

shoptroll wrote:

Oh right, Nintendo thread. I think I'm finally going to try migrating my Wii data. A 512 MB flash card should be plenty if I only have a handful of things from the shop right? Also, would it make sense to back up the contents of the flash card before importing?

Don't you need to have all data stored on the Wii internal memory for the transfer?

ahrezmendi wrote:

Muramasa is really a game that screams for a traditional controller rather than Wiimote + Remote

You can use the classic controller or GCN controller (shows them on the back of the box that I just checked).

Oh yeah, I forgot about my Wavebirds, and I don't have a classic controller. Oh well, at this point I'll just wait for the new and improved version.

shoptroll wrote:

Oh right, Nintendo thread. I think I'm finally going to try migrating my Wii data. A 512 MB flash card should be plenty if I only have a handful of things from the shop right? Also, would it make sense to back up the contents of the flash card before importing?

You need, according to the Wii, at least 512mb in free space on the card. I used a 2gb we had for a DSi that had loads of free space, and was fine.

shoptroll wrote:

I think I'm finally going to try migrating my Wii data.

Note that you don't actually need to move every game's data. If you leave some games off the memory card, the licenses still transfer, and IMO it's easier to just redownload them afterward than try to move everything around individually.

Blind_Evil wrote:

Note that you don't actually need to move every game's data. If you leave some games off the memory card, the licenses still transfer, and IMO it's easier to just redownload them afterward than try to move everything around individually.

I only have a handful of VC games, plus Mega Man 9 and My Life as A King. So there shouldn't be that much data to migrate aside from save data.

Saves I'm definitely backing up to my PC though as Demyx and I will have to continue to jockey save files around for games like Xenoblade that we both had before moving in together :\

shoptroll wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

Note that you don't actually need to move every game's data. If you leave some games off the memory card, the licenses still transfer, and IMO it's easier to just redownload them afterward than try to move everything around individually.

I only have a handful of VC games, plus Mega Man 9 and My Life as A King. So there shouldn't be that much data to migrate aside from save data.

Saves I'm definitely backing up to my PC though as Demyx and I will have to continue to jockey save files around for games like Xenoblade that we both had before moving in together :

Speaking of jockeying save files, I have a burning question: Is it possible to just transfer save files from the Wii to the Wii U without doing the whole system transfer?

Say for example, I'd like to keep playing Skyward Sword and Xenoblade on the Wii U, but I don't want to transfer anything else. Is that possible?

I believe so, although you probably still need to do the silly "start the game, exit, then copy data over" thing. Although I haven't tested this myself.

Still not sure why Nintendo requires a game to be played before you can add the save data into the machine.

SixteenBlue wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fem...

Other than SMB what other games are worth it? Not sure ZombiU is up my alley but it seems that enough people thought the same and still enjoyed it

Why? Why come in this thread, post a mocking article, and then ask a question answered by the hundreds of other posts where people talk about the games they're playing and/or are excited about?

I thought it was funny given the extreme level of validation going on over the last couple pages.. seems uniquely a Nintendo phenom.

Man, what a disappointment. I clicked in to GWJ and found the Wii-U thread with a huge number of new posts. My mind raced to the possibilities:

Did something about Retro's project get leaked? Were additional details about an upcoming game outlined? Maybe new info or screenshots about Rayman, Pikmin, or the Aliens game? Possibly a new demo? Maybe a few people struck up a wonderful conversation about what they would like to see out of future Wii-U games? Maybe there was a grassroots effort by a few forum goers to form up a bigger friend's list for some pickup games of Sonic Racing, CoD:whatever, or to play through Trine 2.

Nope, just a large flurry of posts rehashing whether of not the Wii-U's sales numbers are "good", whatever that means at this point, protestations about whether or not the games media and analysts are anti-Nintendo, and discussion about whether the Vita or the Wii-U is more unfairly treated. I understand that type of discussion is normal, especially on a day when Nintendo released economic numbers. But man does it get old pretty fast. Especially when you've already had a long day and all you really want is some fun conversation about games. Sadly, on other boards where there is a lot of "system wars" type trolling, I'm sure the cacophony of haters vs. defenders has been overwhelming over the past 24 hours.

I'm sure that most people subscribed to the Nintendo thread at least hope that the Wii-U is doing fine even if we don't always all agree about what Nintendo should or should not be doing or how well they're doing it. So how about some fun discussion about Nintendo games mixed in with the other stuff?

I'll start. I have been playing Far Cry 3 on the PC all week so I have no specific Wii-U gameplay to discuss right now. So I'll throw out a question instead. Nintendo has announced Wind Waker HD. I'm pretty excited about it and interested to find out how much they're doing for the rerelease. In light of Nintendo's announcement-

What previous Nintendo game would you most like to see receive an HD makeover, and are there other tweaks to the game you would like to see? For the purpose of the question and to prevent a bunch of debate over whether or not remakes are a good idea at all let's pretend that these remakes don't take any resources from Nintendo making new games as I'm sure most of us if given the choice would prefer new games over remakes. Let's also ignore licensing and issues of reality. This is just straight up a fantasy question about what game would you like to see.

For me, there are two winners.

I would love to see the old NES game Guardian Legend rereleased with new HD sprites and art optimized for current hardware. I loved this game in Jr. High and dropped tons of hours into its wonderful combination of adventure overworld and space shooter gameplay.

On the more recent side, I would also love to see an HD remake of Eternal Darkness with appropriate changes to make sanity effects Wii-U instead of Gamecube specific.

There are actual rumors that SK is working on Eternal Darkness 2 (welcome back to the family, Dennis) and I think it would be pretty cool. On to the Wind Waker HD, I want them to finish the dungeons that were cut, if people remember that they removed the second dungeon (you just received the item instead of earning it) and there were supposed to be 2 more dungeons. I didn't mind the triforce hunt but I know a lot of people didn't like it. I love the soundtrack and I would like to have it rerecorded by an orchestra.

I really don't want HD remakes, I want new games. If they go too far back they have to essentially make a new game anyway. So a new Guardian of Legend would be a new game and not a remake. I'm kind of hoping they do GC games on the VC and the only upgrade I would want for them is widescreen support and upressing to 720p.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Resident Evil 2 remake along the lines of GameCube's REmake.

Aaron D. wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing a Resident Evil 2 remake along the lines of GameCube's REmake.

I'm sorry but Capcom doesn't make survival horror anymore. They do low rent cover shooters.

Actually, after playing Zombi U, I would love a Resident Evil similar to that. Survival horror is awesome and I miss it.

TheGameguru wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fem...

Other than SMB what other games are worth it? Not sure ZombiU is up my alley but it seems that enough people thought the same and still enjoyed it

Why? Why come in this thread, post a mocking article, and then ask a question answered by the hundreds of other posts where people talk about the games they're playing and/or are excited about?

I thought it was funny given the extreme level of validation going on over the last couple pages.. seems uniquely a Nintendo phenom.

Don't ever go to any Apple sites since their stock price started dropping then.

Sorry if discussing sales figures disappoints some people. Personally, I find it interesting because guess what, if this thing doesn't sell, we don't get any more games for it and I think those of us who bought Wii U's want to see games for it. Third parties need strong system sales to justify investing in development and when the word "failure" starts going around, they take notice. I've been having buckets of fun with this system and I want to see it become a hit so I can continue to for years to come.

Like Ulari said, HD remakes are nice and all but that's not why I buy a new machine. I'd love to see Eternal Darkness 2 but as I understand it, Silicon Knights is basically down to 5 people and is a shell of a company since losing the Epic lawsuit and being told to pay to recall all games made with their in-house engine. I so hope ED2 could happen though. I only played a little bit of the first one (keep meaning to go back to it) but what an experience it was. I really, really hope ZombiU sold well enough to justify a sequel. That was a thoroughly unique, Wii U-only experience and it had a number of flaws because it clearly wasn't made with a AAA budget but was great in spite of those. I'd love to see a sequel come from a larger team with a larger budget because with that, it could really be something special indeed. I think there are a lot of ways games could use the GamePad in cool ways that don't just involve showing you a map. I could see a lot of RPGs flourishing in that setup.