Dark Souls Catch-All

Dyni wrote:
imbiginjapan wrote:

It looks like Giant Bomb will be putting up a Quick Look this morning.

Heh. They weren't exactly the biggest Demon's Souls fans. I'll be surprised if Dark Souls fares any better.

They got Matt Rorie to drive, and he seems to be a pretty big fan. Vinny basically said he was interested but never had the time to sink into such a big game, what with other games always coming out.
It's worth a watch if you don't mind some minor monster-related spoilers.

I can't wait for this game. The masochist in me is excited to see what sort of challenge and pain this game is going to bring to the table.

I found the difficulty of Demons Souls to be just right. I think I will be pulling my hair out on this one.

imbiginjapan wrote:
Dyni wrote:
imbiginjapan wrote:

It looks like Giant Bomb will be putting up a Quick Look this morning.

Heh. They weren't exactly the biggest Demon's Souls fans. I'll be surprised if Dark Souls fares any better.

They got Matt Rorie to drive, and he seems to be a pretty big fan. Vinny basically said he was interested but never had the time to sink into such a big game, what with other games always coming out.
It's worth a watch if you don't mind some minor monster-related spoilers.

That quick look was the first video I have seen of the game. I don't know what it is but it looks worse than Demon Souls for some reason.

Damn, I wish I had pre-ordered both versions now. Word on the webs is the 360 version does not look/perform as well as the PS3 version, but now you can't pre-order the PS3 CE. Even though all pre-orders are supposed to be upgraded, apparently Amazon says that's not true. Best Buy doesn't even list the PS3 version as being available.

Yeah once the articles saying PS3 performance was better started leaking out, people snatched it up. And then since there's apparently no party chat for 360, which is apparently the "greatest thing ever", people who have both systems started leaning toward the PS3 version too.

A quick look around newegg, gamestop, walmart, target, none of the sites have any mention of the collector's edition, just a regular pre-order. Not sure how those sites will work.

Best Buy shows similar to Amazon. The PS3 CE is "coming soon" which probably means "sold out", while the 360 one is still available for pre-order.

I haven't looked up much with Dark Souls, which I prefer. I only played 1-1 of Demon's Souls, though I guess it was cheapened a bit as a friend of mine basically guided me the whole time over Skype. I liked not dying! In truth, though, I plan on using Skype to create as traditional a co-op as possible (with no understanding of how it works this time around).

It's not so much because I don't like the experience they're going for in Dark Souls. I do. But I just want a stinking fantasy game where I can have a party. I'm going for a Ravenloft style experience here.

Dyni wrote:

Heh. They weren't exactly the biggest Demon's Souls fans. I'll be surprised if Dark Souls fares any better.

Listening to Brad's reactions were priceless. I understand a bit more now why people disliked DS. He sounded honestly bewildered and upset at times. But I think they captured some of what makes DS (and hopefully DkS) so wonderful. It's not unfair, all things considered, but it's not a roller coaster ride and it does not want you to beat it. And if the game is good enough, you can absolutely pull that off. But if it doesn't have it's hooks in you, it probably just sounds regressive, obtuse and trollish.

Oh, and I can't imagine the dragon attack was any sort of surprise for anyone who played the previous game. Enemies placidly standing at the end of a bridge with tell-tale burn marks on it?

This is shaping up to be a great fall. Dark Souls for the dark, arduous, hard-won victory and Skyrim for the pretty, epic ramble through the mountains.

Stele wrote:

Yeah once the articles saying PS3 performance was better started leaking out, people snatched it up. And then since there's apparently no party chat for 360, which is apparently the "greatest thing ever", people who have both systems started leaning toward the PS3 version too.

A quick look around newegg, gamestop, walmart, target, none of the sites have any mention of the collector's edition, just a regular pre-order. Not sure how those sites will work.

Best Buy shows similar to Amazon. The PS3 CE is "coming soon" which probably means "sold out", while the 360 one is still available for pre-order.

This is the part that confuses me the most. From said that *all* preorders would automatically get the CE, which is exactly how they did it with Demon's Souls. I don't understand why retailers are now separating them into two categories, when any preorder should be a CE by default.

Most likely, they flat ran out of stock. By this point, the CEs are manufactured and in transit to retailers. If pre-order demand exceeds that supply, then they're going to have to renege on that promise of all pre-orders being collector's editions.

Went with PS3 version due to above information. Has release day shipping popped up as an option for anyone on Amazon yet? When does that usually become available?

Sort of wishing I'd heard the performance thing in time to switch my Amazon order over to the PS3 version. Still, I'm willing to bet that the 360 version's performance problems don't make the game unplayable or anything.

The original Demon's Souls had slowdown, I don't think either version of Dark Souls is going to be slowdown-free.

I got a response from Amazon saying that my pre-order of the PS3 version *would* be upgraded, so they're putting their money where From's mouth is. I'll find out the truth on Tuesday.

ahrezmendi wrote:

This is the part that confuses me the most. From said that *all* preorders would automatically get the CE, which is exactly how they did it with Demon's Souls. I don't understand why retailers are now separating them into two categories, when any preorder should be a CE by default.

Yeah it's odd. But maybe that means those Walmart, Target, Gamestop, or Newegg pre-orders will be CE.

But it's hard to take that gamble, when Best Buy and Amazon clearly declare the CE.

Stele wrote:
ahrezmendi wrote:

This is the part that confuses me the most. From said that *all* preorders would automatically get the CE, which is exactly how they did it with Demon's Souls. I don't understand why retailers are now separating them into two categories, when any preorder should be a CE by default.

Yeah it's odd. But maybe that means those Walmart, Target, Gamestop, or Newegg pre-orders will be CE.

But it's hard to take that gamble, when Best Buy and Amazon clearly declare the CE.

I think the retailers are just confused. They deal in precise UPCs, which describe one and only one item. Now From/Namco are overloading this UPC to be one thing before Oct. 4, and another thing afterwards. Their systems probably aren't equipped to handle it.

My plan was to play some Demon's Souls to stop myself from buying Dark Souls. 4 bosses into a new character later, I really want to buy Dark Souls.

I was thinking I should play Demon's Souls while the servers are still up if I ever want to get that platinum. Honestly finishing a 2nd run would get me close, since I was a bit over-leveled for the first finish. Ah well, that's for that other thread if I decide to fire it up this weekend.

Is it important to have the multiplayer enabled in either of the games or could one enjoy the game without the notes and the chances of people running into your game to kill help you?

Plastefuchs wrote:

Is it important to have the multiplayer enabled in either of the games or could one enjoy the game without the notes and the chances of people running into your game to kill help you?

The notes and bloodstains are very helpful. I haven't done a lot of co-op and I live in dread of BPs, but overall I think it's a much richer experience with online enabled. That said, DS is completely doable offline, if a bit lonely.

The more I see of this game the more I want to play it but then I remember that the first one wore on me fast. It just looks so pretty, maybe I'll give it a try at a discount.

Also for those of you wondering about the 360 performance I saw this on Kotaku.

While I bought Demon's Souls at launch, I never did manage to finish it. Had just bought my PS3 and I believe Uncharted 2 managed to distract me. And, oh, look Uncharted 3 on the horizon!

Thankfully I'll have more time on my hand, so looking forward to finishing Demon's Souls in November and then picking this up. Have been rather longingly looking at the trailers and recalling what I enjoyed about Demon's.

Can't wait for Tuesday. I do wish that they would include normal, planned co-op, but it is not a deal breaker.

That Giant Bomb quick look is a great way for people that are new to the games to get a feel for the game and how the difficulty level fits into the gameplay.

I watched the Giant Bomb quicklook last night (well, pretty sizable chunks of it, I skipped forward several times) and yeah, I'm definitely stoked for this one. Given the differences in the versions, if I had a PS3, I'd get that version. However, I've only got the 360, so I'm sticking with that release. Hopefully there'll be some others with that one!

Farscry wrote:

I watched the Giant Bomb quicklook last night (well, pretty sizable chunks of it, I skipped forward several times) and yeah, I'm definitely stoked for this one. Given the differences in the versions, if I had a PS3, I'd get that version. However, I've only got the 360, so I'm sticking with that release. Hopefully there'll be some others with that one!

It's too bad the hardware holders would never consider cross-platform play. Given the weird anonymous nature of multiplayer in this one it seems like there would be fewer barriers to interconnectivity.

imbiginjapan wrote:

It's too bad the hardware holders would never consider cross-platform play. Given the weird anonymous nature of multiplayer in this one it seems like there would be fewer barriers to interconnectivity.

If the online components of this game grow more popular, that's definitely something I would like to see. I wonder what, if any, changes would need be made.

PS3-PC co-op worked great for Portal 2. They should just talk to Valve.

I played most of Demon's Souls online, but in spirit form. I didn't want to deal with invasions, but I loved seeing other players around and bloodstains and all of that.

But when I got more serious about trying to collect weapons and items which required pure white/black world tendency, I ended up having to play the game offline for extended periods of time. In my new game+ I ended up just leaving it offline for the most part so far trying to collect the same things again more quickly.

I really hope that whatever system there is in Dark Souls is something that can be changed while still online and not pulled back to the global rating like before. I want to stay online and still be able to unlock everything.

Sales numbers from Japan. 279,567 copies, and 2nd place was ICO/SotC with 91,902.

bombsfall wrote:
Plastefuchs wrote:

Is it important to have the multiplayer enabled in either of the games or could one enjoy the game without the notes and the chances of people running into your game to kill help you?

The notes and bloodstains are very helpful. I haven't done a lot of co-op and I live in dread of BPs, but overall I think it's a much richer experience with online enabled. That said, DS is completely doable offline, if a bit lonely.

+1

It's also pretty difficult to get some trophies (if that's your bag) without online.

Stele wrote:

PS3-PC co-op worked great for Portal 2. They should just talk to Valve.

I played most of Demon's Souls online, but in spirit form. I didn't want to deal with invasions, but I loved seeing other players around and bloodstains and all of that.

But when I got more serious about trying to collect weapons and items which required pure white/black world tendency, I ended up having to play the game offline for extended periods of time. In my new game+ I ended up just leaving it offline for the most part so far trying to collect the same things again more quickly.

I really hope that whatever system there is in Dark Souls is something that can be changed while still online and not pulled back to the global rating like before. I want to stay online and still be able to unlock everything.

I just hope they make some of the rarer crafting materials a bit easier to get. Pure Bladestone anybody?

Stele wrote:

Sales numbers from Japan. 279,567 copies, and 2nd place was ICO/SotC with 91,902.

Very happy to see this game be so successful.

I have got to stay out of this thread, or I'll be buying a copy come Tuesday.

ahrezmendi wrote:

I just hope they make some of the rarer crafting materials a bit easier to get. Pure Bladestone anybody?

Nah, you just have to wait for casual_alcoholic to start playing so it can drop on his first black skeleton kill again

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I have got to stay out of this thread, or I'll be buying a copy come Tuesday.

Stop fighting the inevitable. This game will kick your ass, and you will love it!