Dark Souls Catch-All

mrtomaytohead wrote:
Dakuna wrote:

There is some loot I want to get, it's near a Chaos Eater in the Chaos Eater pit in Lost Izalith. I can't seem to find a way onto one of the platforms!! Anyone know how to get there?

The best advice is to look at a map and find the ramps up to the raised platforms on either end. They're in opposite corners of the space.

aha, it just depends which ramp out of the poison muck I take... why didn't I think of that?

Hedinn wrote:

The last point is probably the most important for me - miracles are so situational and have such a small number of uses that I don't really get to use them much. Granted, when I do use them, they are great (Magic Barrier against 4 Kings or WoG for souls farming in the Painted World) but I don't use them that much, so I end up as a Dex build with Weapon+15 and 5 unused spells that I bring "just in case". :)

Even Jesus didn't perform THAT many miracles. O ye of little faith.

S0LIDARITY wrote:

@Dakuna, You're leaving weight on the table. You should consider playing with the armor until 50% encumbrance. Unless you want people to think you're a caster with the sealer set?

True, I just threw that in there cause it's easy to get early and is decent. I would likely suplement with the elite knight set.

Dakuna wrote:
Hedinn wrote:

The last point is probably the most important for me - miracles are so situational and have such a small number of uses that I don't really get to use them much. Granted, when I do use them, they are great (Magic Barrier against 4 Kings or WoG for souls farming in the Painted World) but I don't use them that much, so I end up as a Dex build with Weapon+15 and 5 unused spells that I bring "just in case". :)

Even Jesus didn't perform THAT many miracles. O ye of little faith. :)

I guess he was in a good covenant that provided him with cool miracles.

So I've been playing Dark Souls on PS3 again. This is the first time I've loaded the game on my new PS3 so there are no updates yet. I can take advantage of the dragon head souls glitch and I've boosted my Soul Level to 300.

Here's the thing that is kind of funny about the game when it was first released, it is noticeably harder than the game in its current state.

Crystal Lizards seem to drop less materials and those drops don't automatically go to your inventory.

Most merchants have a reduced inventory.

Enemy placement is slightly different in some places and it makes it a little bit harder. Some enemies have better sight range so they take notice and come after you much earlier.

mrtomaytohead wrote:
Lex Cayman wrote:

Check the chest near where you find Frampt? Lost special items are supposed to go there. I don't know if the soapstone qualifies.

Checked, it wasn't there. Then again I checked before reloading.

Update on my missing white summon soapstone:
Checked the chest again. It's gone. I'm at seath now with that being the only thing between me and the final stretch. I may just shrug it off as a random bug and finish up the game, ignoring the DLC. 80+ hrs is too much for 1 run through of a game for me.

Hedinn wrote:

- Lots of miracles are mostly useless, even from the ones you mentioned - Force, Karmic Justice, not to mention Great Heal Excerpt and Seek Guidance. Replenishment takes longer to cast than drinking a Flask, takes a slot and heals for less (not fast enough when you need it and wasting healing when you don't). Tranquil for large groups? What large groups?

A few examples of large groups this can help with:
- Pisacas in the Duke's Archives prison area, especially after you've turned off the gramophone and then rested.
- Painting Guardians outside Painted World
- Leech farming

I use Homeward all the time, and if I were to use Homeward Bones instead I'd be dumping tens of thousands of souls into buying bones. That's to taste, but I find it more useful than any other spell in the game. Replenishment isn't meant to be cast when you would normally quaff from flask, you cast it in anticipation of damage, the same way you would use Iron Flesh or Flash Sweat. Emit Force, if used with high Poise, can turn losing fights in your favor since it's an instant guard break/knockdown.

Hedinn wrote:

IMO one is doing something wrong if he needs to fight large groups.

I don't agree with this kind of thinking at all. Dark Souls is a game about discovery and options, there is no "wrong" or "right" way to do things. You can win the game with an un-upgraded Longsword and no armor, that alone proves my point. This is about finding whatever solution you enjoy, and if that happens to involve massive HP regen using Replenishment, or taking on large groups using Tranquil Walk + Great Chaos Fireball, then that's the "right" way to play the game.

So I started that high-strength Gravelord ganker low-level character (I mentioned up-thread) when I got home yesterday afternoon. What a blast this game is when you know what you're doing! I made it through the Asylum, the Taurus demon, the Belfry Gargoyles, the Capra demon, the Gaping dragon, the Moonlight butterfly and got to the bonfire in Blighttown.

I'm level 22, which is where I'll stay with this character and make everyone's life miserable

My wife asked me why I'm doing this, and part of the answer is because of how annoyed I am with people who do this very thing, hopefully I can get some of them back, and the other part is that I would like to see if I can finish the game at level 22. I realize that's no comparison to that gimpy legend guy, but I'm going to have to pretend he doesn't exist, as I will likely never match that.

Heh, that was kind of the point I was trying to make - miracles are very situational. To the point where you practically need to invent new ways to play the game in order to find good use for them. Like running headlong into a bunch of Painting Guardians (btw I really don't see how Tranquil is going to help there with them throwing knifes at you) instead of picking them one by one like you do with any other enemy. Or playing intentionally recklessly in order not to waste Replenishment's healing "ticks".

I see your point though. When you do find a situation to use some miracle, it's extremely fun and satisfying. I was farming rats in Depths with Emit Force and it was so much fun, I spent way too much time doing that. Or farming Painted World with WoG. Or fighting 4 Kings with Magic Barrier.

I guess my main complaint is that the number of casts is very low with miracles. It'd be nice to have more casts or at least an opportunity to get additional "instances" of miracles, like one can do with the other 2 schools of magic. With miracles, until you get into NG+, you will have only 3 WOGs or 1 weapon buff and it forces you to save them for later and not use them at all.

As I type this, you also made me realize one thing. It's not really fair for me to complain about all that miracle stuff because after about 350+ hours, I am playing this game very differently from when I just started it. Back then I would use stuff like Replenishment much more often and would be glad it's there as opposed to me now just avoiding that damage.

Yours are very good points, the game indeed can be played in so many ways, especially when one is just starting and inventing them to get as much help as possible. I retract my complaints about miracles, except one - I want more casts.

BTW I wonder if DS2 is going to move back to the Demon's Souls mana-limited magic system. I would like that more than the number of casts-limited system we have in DS.

Dakuna wrote:

I'm level 22, which is where I'll stay with this character and make everyone's life miserable

I hope on the way there you will suffer as much pain as you will cause once you get there. Be a man and don't get coop help with S&O, Sif and 4 Kings.

To be a true griefer of newbs though, you need to get Dark Beads and Pursuers.

Well, I sat down last night in hopes of having summoning someone to help with Seath. What I got 1 1 white summon sign that failed and 3 invasions. The first invasion I engaged and got killed with the guy facing so I could backstab him, but he did something that killed me in 2 quick hits without moving or turning or swinging a weapon. The second was someone who should be commended. I was standing by the fire, he bowed, I took a bit and didn't move and then shrugged, and then started running the route to Seath. He the left. The next guy I didn't wait for once the invasion message popped I started running to Seath. He caught up to me on an invisible bridge and started shoot miracles at me as I made my way to the clam room. I think he got kicked when I hit the fog gate to go through. I beat Seath on my own that life. I had cut the tail on my own previously then promptly died.

I then did what I knew I would do, despite saying otherwise and went to the DLC. That first boss is a great example of the challenging fights I love about the game. Tight timings, and easily trackable enemy with lock-on.

Hedinn wrote:
Dakuna wrote:

I'm level 22, which is where I'll stay with this character and make everyone's life miserable

I hope on the way there you will suffer as much pain as you will cause once you get there. Be a man and don't get coop help with S&O, Sif and 4 Kings.

To be a true griefer of newbs though, you need to get Dark Beads and Pursuers. :)

Fair enough, I guess I better buy the DLC soon!

EDIT: also, I doubt Sif will be much trouble, and 4 kings should be a breeze on first playthrough. I had no trouble on my main, so I just need to get that Gravelord sword.

Hedinn wrote:
Dakuna wrote:

I'm level 22, which is where I'll stay with this character and make everyone's life miserable

I hope on the way there you will suffer as much pain as you will cause once you get there. Be a man and don't get coop help with S&O, Sif and 4 Kings.

To be a true griefer of newbs though, you need to get Dark Beads and Pursuers. :)

Seems like Dark Bead might be good for killing newbs, but with an int requirement of 32 for pursuers, that's not really newb territory anymore.

If you're going to go hardcore PvP, you should also consider the Lifehunt Scythe. I applaud the Gravelord Greatsword choice, that Toxic build up is really nasty, but the Lifehunt Scythe can also make you terrifying (both in terms of damage and you just look freaking scary). Moonlight Greatsword is also a good choice, not many people run around with Great Magic Barrier or the Crest Shield if you invade at the right location.

ahrezmendi wrote:

If you're going to go hardcore PvP, you should also consider the Lifehunt Scythe. I applaud the Gravelord Greatsword choice, that Toxic build up is really nasty, but the Lifehunt Scythe can also make you terrifying (both in terms of damage and you just look freaking scary). Moonlight Greatsword is also a good choice, not many people run around with Great Magic Barrier or the Crest Shield if you invade at the right location.

I think getting the gravelord sword is much easier than cutting priscilla's tail, too, at level 22. Although, finishing the game at 22 will be tough anyway.

Dakuna wrote:

I think getting the gravelord sword is much easier than cutting priscilla's tail, too, at level 22. Although, finishing the game at 22 will be tough anyway.

You only need Priscilla's soul (EDIT from the wiki: and a +10 scythe, great scythe, halberd, or whip) to craft the Lifehunt Scythe. Her tail nets you a different weapon (its name is escaping me at present).

EDIT: Her tail gets you the:

Spoiler:

aptly named Priscilla's Dagger

BunbyHeri wrote:
Dakuna wrote:

I think getting the gravelord sword is much easier than cutting priscilla's tail, too, at level 22. Although, finishing the game at 22 will be tough anyway.

You only need Priscilla's soul (EDIT from the wiki: and a +10 scythe, great scythe, halberd, or whip) to craft the Lifehunt Scythe. Her tail nets you a different weapon (its name is escaping me at present).

EDIT: Her tail gets you the:

Spoiler:

aptly named Priscilla's Dagger

o yeah. duh. thanks for the correction

Bunby beat me to it.

They're all perfectly good options for PvP. I've done some dueling with the Gravelord Greatsword before, and it worked out OK. Mind you I wasn't specifically built for PvP, so I lost a lot more than I won, but being able to Toxic my opponent then capitalize when they were forced to back off was a big deal.

I'm curious how this works out for you. Do keep us all informed.

ahrezmendi wrote:

Bunby beat me to it.

They're all perfectly good options for PvP. I've done some dueling with the Gravelord Greatsword before, and it worked out OK. Mind you I wasn't specifically built for PvP, so I lost a lot more than I won, but being able to Toxic my opponent then capitalize when they were forced to back off was a big deal.

I'm curious how this works out for you. Do keep us all informed.

Bear in mind the intention is to be dueling people level 35 or lower, as well.

Dakuna wrote:
Hedinn wrote:
Dakuna wrote:

I'm level 22, which is where I'll stay with this character and make everyone's life miserable

I hope on the way there you will suffer as much pain as you will cause once you get there. Be a man and don't get coop help with S&O, Sif and 4 Kings.

To be a true griefer of newbs though, you need to get Dark Beads and Pursuers. :)

Seems like Dark Bead might be good for killing newbs, but with an int requirement of 32 for pursuers, that's not really newb territory anymore.

We definitely were killed by Pursuers in the Burgs when we just started, so I guess those griefers just hacked down their level. It's one thing I don't like about the PC version - too easy to hack and thus too many hackers.

Funny thing. My friends and I are at the end of the game and yesterday, after they mentioned how much they liked the DLC bosses, I asked them (it's their first run in the game) which boss/encounter in the game they think was the most "unfair" or frustrating so far. They both agreed on Havel (due to the ability to one-shot newbs) and Capra Demon (due to the dogs and small room). I wonder if they would still find Havel that challenging if they were to start a new char now.

I bet they both fought Havel way earlier than they were supposed to by taking the Master Key and getting in over their heads

This thread has grown so much since this awesome game came out. I was hundreds of post behind up to today. I just started playing again after buying on day one and putting it down right towards the end, since I was having issues turning human to get help on boss battles without being invaded the instant I used my humanity. I will say that now I haven't been invaded once and have been able to help lots of people and get lots of help, maybe a patch helped or something?

Probably a factor of people moving in from the game after finishing it, and others just being higher soul level. The DLC also has PvP arenas, so a lot of invaders (not including griefers) moved on to those.

Nekroman wrote:

This thread has grown so much since this awesome game came out. I was hundreds of post behind up to today. I just started playing again after buying on day one and putting it down right towards the end, since I was having issues turning human to get help on boss battles without being invaded the instant I used my humanity. I will say that now I haven't been invaded once and have been able to help lots of people and get lots of help, maybe a patch helped or something?

What system?

What sort of things might I want to do before facing off against the last boss?

Kindle all bonfires, craft your Boss weapons, visit Snuggly, and finish upgrades.

http://darksouls.wikidot.com/new-gam...

Dakuna wrote:
Nekroman wrote:

This thread has grown so much since this awesome game came out. I was hundreds of post behind up to today. I just started playing again after buying on day one and putting it down right towards the end, since I was having issues turning human to get help on boss battles without being invaded the instant I used my humanity. I will say that now I haven't been invaded once and have been able to help lots of people and get lots of help, maybe a patch helped or something?

What system?

PS3

I'm still running around about to finish the game with my +5 lightning spear, seems like people I have played with in the last day or so all have more deadly weapons. Any suggestions on what I could make pretty easy that would be better, I am almost finished I just killed the centepede in the lava.

mrtomaytohead wrote:

What sort of things might I want to do before facing off against the last boss?

heavyfeul wrote:

Kindle all bonfires, craft your Boss weapons, visit Snuggly, and finish upgrades.

http://darksouls.wikidot.com/new-gam...

Heavy nailed it. Note though that if you know you don't care about NG+ nor achievements, you should just do the DLC and finish the game as soon as you like.

I finally beat Seath this morning. He gave me an inordinate amount of trouble. On my last attempt, I put lightning on my +15 Longsword, ran right up against his belly, and face-tanked him.

Not proud, but it worked.