Dark Souls Catch-All

Another short night tonight, but I killed an invader, the

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poison (?) dragon

, and cleared my way to the first boss door in Painted World.

At that point I was out of flasks and spells, so I will start again from the bonfire when next I play.

I killed my first real (i.e. not an NPC) invader yesterday... he invaded me in a watery area so I was able to nail him with a good couple of pyro spells while I made my way to solid ground and then dodge his attacks since I'm at very low encumbrance.

Had a strange day with bosses - downed the boss before the second bell on my first attempt (which was a bit of a change from my usual suckage) and then accidentally killed the first boss in the Demon Ruins while frantically running away from him.

Spent a while falling down the something-or-other Hollow, then said "stuff it" and am heading to Sen's Fortress.

Finally, I now appear to be a Nazgul.

This game is great.

Sonicator wrote:

accidentally killed the first boss in the Demon Ruins while frantically running away from him.

I did that once too. Never could repeat it on purpose.

Interesting comment about low Encumbrance, Sonicator. When I got invaded I was wearing the Favor set and the Sunlight Maggot for light. I immediately switched to my usual Gargoyle Helm to avoid shining a light and giving away my position. Then I realized I was in a place where my invader was probably going to need a minute to find me, so I switched into full Havel's. Since I'm a caster, I figured I might as well go full battleship mode.

It worked great! I used the Homing Crystal Mass spell followed by Soul Spears to kill him. The fight might have actually lasted 2 minutes, as he ran away at one point. He was wearing what I assume was medium armor and two-handing a weapon that did fire damage.

I'll definitely go this route next time I'm invaded.

IM keen to try this on my PC

3 questions before making the purchase

1 Amazon has DARK SOULS with ARTORIAS OF THE ABYSS EDITION and Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition , aren't they exactly the same thing ?

2. Controllers- I live in japan so my local discount electrics store doesnt stock xbox gear, but in the PC section i did find PC controller , thats fine right ?
(its a iBuffalo ...is that a cheap Chinese rip off of Buffalo ? or buffalo's cheap chinese subsidiary ? hmm)

3. Multiplayer functionality - GFWL / any regional restrictions ? I ask because namco hasnt actually released the game on pc in Japan, so im not sure who i can play the semi co-op/invader/hints etc part of the game with.

Thanks

My character has wound up with slightly unreasonable mobility since I put a lot of points into endurance while I was dithering between whether to go with a strength or dex build. I suspect I got lucky: the invader had gone with a big, slow weapon (possibly a halberd) so it was relatively easy to dodge. I don't think he actually hit me, which left me feeling a bit smug. Probably wouldn't have worked against a lot of other builds, though.

The battleship approach does sound interesting though - I may have to start mucking around with an alt along those lines when I get stuck/frustrated with my main. What sort of balance are you going for between the stats?

SixteenBlue wrote:
Sonicator wrote:

accidentally killed the first boss in the Demon Ruins while frantically running away from him.

I did that once too. Never could repeat it on purpose.

I did a bit of reading afterwards and it sounds like it happens if

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he does the ground attack on you when you're very nearly back to the fog gate

Brownypoints wrote:

3. Multiplayer functionality - GFWL / any regional restrictions ? I ask because namco hasnt actually released the game on pc in Japan, so im not sure who i can play the semi co-op/invader/hints etc part of the game with.

Thanks

It does use GFWL (argh argh argh) but not sure if that has any region-restriction though. Not sure about your other questions unfortunately.

Browny - I would special order a corded Xbox 360 controller. It's the best console controller ever. I would not use brand X.

Sonicator - My character isn't designed for PvP or anything, so he's got like 16 STR for the Drake Sword, similar Dex for bows, some amount of Vit and End, and then is just crazily top-heavy in INT.

The thing is, in this game once you reach a certain level of survivability and stamina, you don't really *need* any more. It's nice, but not critical - as folks like Gimpy have demonstrated to dramatic degree - so I just keep going INT to increase my damage output and meet spell requirements. When I meet the requirements for the last spell, I'll probably just stop leveling. I'm in the low 70s now.

@Browniepoints

Do you have a PS3?

The PS3 version has been working great for me. I have had several co-op opportunities and a few invasions. The functionality of the online features has been comparable to the Xbox version, at least up to the Capra Demon.

The PC matchmaking has never worked well for me and I have gotten past the right of kindling on that version. It works, but it is spotty at best.

There are NPCs that can be summoned, but some are harder to find than others and some are event dependent. Plus, all the ones I have seen are near Boss battles. Human players can often help you through a level, which is a blessing, although it can make some sections super easy if you summon an über-powerful phantom.

I did some co-op in the Undead Burg and Havel took down two parties of three. Playing co-op with equally underpowered phantoms is fun, though, because you still have to strategize and think quick.

Can you go in and out of the DLC content or is it the kind of thing you do all at one time?

You can go in and out SixteenBlue.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Sonicator - My character isn't designed for PvP or anything, so he's got like 16 STR for the Drake Sword, similar Dex for bows, some amount of Vit and End, and then is just crazily top-heavy in INT.

The thing is, in this game once you reach a certain level of survivability and stamina, you don't really *need* any more. It's nice, but not critical - as folks like Gimpy have demonstrated to dramatic degree - so I just keep going INT to increase my damage output and meet spell requirements. When I meet the requirements for the last spell, I'll probably just stop leveling. I'm in the low 70s now.

Thanks, may have to have a play around with something like that. I'm not too interested in PvP either, but it sounds like an interstign contrast to the way I'm playing at the moment.

Incidentally, does anyone know if there's any benefit to two handing a pyro flame or the other caster items?

Pretty sure there's not.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Pretty sure there's not.

Nope, but you can dual wield them!

I got invaded by a guy wielding 2 shields once, and it was hilarious. I should try it double fisting pyro flames.

Gimpy_Butzke wrote:

You can go in and out SixteenBlue.

Thanks. I know the bosses are really difficult but I want to check out the new content now!

Dyni wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Pretty sure there's not.

Nope, but you can dual wield them!

I got invaded by a guy wielding 2 shields once, and it was hilarious. I should try it double fisting pyro flames.

I've put my pyro glove on my off-hand many times, just to have it easily accessible since my main hand was sword/catalyst.

SixteenBlue wrote:
Gimpy_Butzke wrote:

You can go in and out SixteenBlue.

Thanks. I know the bosses are really difficult but I want to check out the new content now!

Well this was an ironic post.

SixteenBlue wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
Gimpy_Butzke wrote:

You can go in and out SixteenBlue.

Thanks. I know the bosses are really difficult but I want to check out the new content now!

Well this was an ironic post.

Why? Bosses weren't hard?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
Gimpy_Butzke wrote:

You can go in and out SixteenBlue.

Thanks. I know the bosses are really difficult but I want to check out the new content now!

Well this was an ironic post.

Why? Bosses weren't hard?

Went through the portal to the DLC content, immediately greeted by a boss. I was hoping to at least explore a new level or something.

That boss was super hard. Or I should say is since I didn't defeat it.

I came up with an overly verbose questions to pose to you guys but I guess it comes down to one thing:

How much do you grind when playing Dark Souls?

If there were no RPG features in the game I guess it be much more straight forward but as it is you can lv up you character, weapons, change tatics all on top of simply giving a challenging section another shot.

I did a decent bit of grinding on the human attackers who belong to the forest covenant, but it turns out I didn't need to. I won't on a future run-through. I also spent way more souls than necessary by being both a sorceror and a fully-levelled Pyromancer.

Imho, you don't need to grind at all in this game.

The only time I've ever actively grinded was because I wanted to use some fat loot.

The only time I ever thought grinding might be necessary was Anor Londo as it's sort of a bottleneck in an otherwise open world. At any other point you can always find something that you can handle at the moment and level up from that area.

Good answers, though I think for my ability with games like these a bit of grinding will be necessary.

What prompted my questions was that I was having trouble with the capra demon with a thief build. I just beat him by using firebombs and rolling away from his attacks after going though most playthoughs without touching them. I really like that the outcome didn't come down to what build I was using but rather focusing on how I could do damage to him, rather than how I should be doing damage to him.

PlainGreyT wrote:

Good answers, though I think for my ability with games like these a bit of grinding will be necessary.

What prompted my questions was that I was having trouble with the capra demon with a thief build. I just beat him by using firebombs and rolling away from his attacks after going though most playthoughs without touching them. I really like that the outcome didn't come down to what build I was using but rather focusing on how I could do damage to him, rather than how I should be doing damage to him.

Sounds like you did a great job of finding a strategy that worked for your character. That's what Dark Souls is all about!

And everyone has trouble with the Capra Demon. Bastard.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Sounds like you did a great job of finding a strategy that worked for your character. That's what Dark Souls is all about!

And everyone has trouble with the Capra Demon. Bastard.

Thanks! Its real nice to find a game where the more you look, the more there is to see - most games that I've really enjoyed in my time have had this quality to them.

PlainGreyT wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Sounds like you did a great job of finding a strategy that worked for your character. That's what Dark Souls is all about!

And everyone has trouble with the Capra Demon. Bastard.

Thanks! Its real nice to find a game where the more you look, the more there is to see - most games that I've really enjoyed in my time have had this quality to them.

SO true of Dark Souls. SO true. The ugly menus and such kind of conceal an unbelievable depth. Love it!

PlainGreyT wrote:

I came up with an overly verbose questions to pose to you guys but I guess it comes down to one thing:

How much do you grind when playing Dark Souls?

If there were no RPG features in the game I guess it be much more straight forward but as it is you can lv up you character, weapons, change tatics all on top of simply giving a challenging section another shot.

I've ground out some levels and done some item farming on some of my many characters, I've probably made more than 10 at this point. However I have a character that I've never leveled and I only have two more bosses left in the game.

The point is, which you already discussed, that your skill and your tactics can allow you to defeat every single enemy in the game.

Huh. Didn't realize that

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Painted World

was optional. Well, I really enjoyed it, so I'm glad I did it.

I guess I need to break out the DLC, because it looks like I've done every area I can prior to giving the boss souls to Frampt.

PlainGreyT wrote:

I came up with an overly verbose questions to pose to you guys but I guess it comes down to one thing:

How much do you grind when playing Dark Souls?

If there were no RPG features in the game I guess it be much more straight forward but as it is you can lv up you character, weapons, change tatics all on top of simply giving a challenging section another shot.

In my fist run through the game I did no ore than about 2 hours grinding across my whole play time.

DanB wrote:

In my fist run through

This... rules