Bill Kristol tells GOP to come back to the table.

A worldwide planetary rape that rewrites everyone into a weird mixture of liberal and conservative is a 'good' ending only for video game writers.

Let us not forget how efficient billionaires are at job creation

Paleocon wrote:

Let us not forget how efficient billionaires are at job creation ;)

You know it really isn't fair, linking to satirical articles that are not posted on The Onion. It takes me a while to determine if the article is a joke or is being serious.

Tkyl wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Let us not forget how efficient billionaires are at job creation ;)

You know it really isn't fair, linking to satirical articles that are not posted on The Onion. It takes me a while to determine if the article is a joke or is being serious.

Hence the winky.

Well, it looks like the Republicans have decided to leave the table until after Christmas.

Boehner's "Plan B" just fell apart as he couldn't get the votes, so he recessed the House until after Christmas and said that it is now Pres. Obama's and Sen. Reid's problem to fix.

The GOP will never be forgiven if we go off the "fiscal cliff."

Meh, this will potentially be the fourth or fifth tragedy the GOP has caused since 2008. They'll be fine. As long as rape isn't cool and gays are marrying, they have a base.

(Ever write something under the influence, know you'll regret it later, but say "naw f*ck it."?)

I'm glad it cratered for the republicans. If it had passed they would have had more of a leg to stand on. At this point I wonder if they have anything left in their bag of tricks. It seems like they really are imploding.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Boehner's "Plan B" just fell apart as he couldn't get the votes, so he recessed the House until after Christmas and said that it is now Pres. Obama's and Sen. Reid's problem to fix.

The GOP will never be forgiven if we go off the "fiscal cliff."

Bumper Sticker: "Vote GOP. We even oppose GOP taxes on millionaires that would avert the fiscal cliff"

They are the party that apologized to BP for Obama's witch hunt when they dumped all that oil into the Gulf of Mexico. Seriously, if that didn't jump the shark, nothing will.

The shark can't jump. It died covered in oil.

So it's done now? You're making the leap of faith into the fiscal cliff?

I mean: doesn't it take some time to get a compromise voted, even if an agreement is found?

We're pro-rape, we apologized to BP, we want to go off the fiscal cliff, we dial the phone funny and we smell faintly like camphor, it's true.

Keithustus wrote:
Phoenix Rev wrote:

Boehner's "Plan B" just fell apart as he couldn't get the votes, so he recessed the House until after Christmas and said that it is now Pres. Obama's and Sen. Reid's problem to fix.

The GOP will never be forgiven if we go off the "fiscal cliff."

Bumper Sticker: "Vote GOP. We even oppose GOP taxes on millionaires that would avert the fiscal cliff"

I'm still enjoying the irony that the Republicans tried to push anything called Plan B given their wonderful record on birth control and contraception.

NormanTheIntern wrote:

We're pro-rape, we apologized to BP, we want to go off the fiscal cliff, we dial the phone funny and we smell faintly like camphor, it's true.

Nah, I don't lump you or the rest of the general conservative citizenry in with the Republican Party's congressional leadership.

This link from the gay marriage thread actually feels relevant here.

Mostly because it has Newt Gingrich trying to "call out" his fellow Republicans for creating a bad candidate and a culture of animosity in politics. Given that Newt himself is actually one of the main authors of this animosity these days, I'm going to go ahead and stick with my initial assessment - the GOP will not have some great post-election revelation about their political strategies. At best, we will have the same people who caused the mess going for a "those guys* did it and aren't we sick of those guys. Neatly avoiding any manner of self-analysis.

(*never really naming names, except to scapegoat Romney, but to keep up the fevered GOP illusion that they're somehow not politicians, government workers, or part of the establishment)

Did Boehner have his press conference at 10am today? I keep seeing mention that it was planned but nothing is popping up on the news sites and it's 11am now.

Found it. Nothing to see here. Move along

[Link]http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...\link]

An article I was reading earlier this morning off the Washington Post basically boiled the Plan B fiasco down to Boehner can't control his own party, the Tea Party are really the ones who refuse to negotiate like responsible politicians and that Boehner's options at this point are pretty much to either pass a bill with a hefty amount of Democratic support while leaving out the far right or just step down now as Speaker. Seemed like a fairly reasonable read on the situation to me.

Kehama wrote:

Boehner's options at this point are pretty much to either pass a bill with a hefty amount of Democratic support while leaving out the far right or just step down now as Speaker. Seemed like a fairly reasonable read on the situation to me.

Hmm.. Bad for the GOP, but good for the country; bad for Boehner, probably bad for the party and bad for the country; or do nothing, which is "only" bad for the country. Yeah, that's a hard choice. Our system is so screwed.

I'm still not convinced that doing nothing would be that terrible. There are some bad things in the fiscal cliff, and I would prefer that the tax load on the middle and lower classes would remain in order to fight our enormous health inequality, however even among those classes our tax burden is pretty low, and this cliff seems like the only way the military will get a cut anytime soon, so all and all I'm cautiously optimistic.

Yonder wrote:

I'm still not convinced that doing nothing would be that terrible. There are some bad things in the fiscal cliff, and I would prefer that the tax load on the middle and lower classes would remain in order to fight our enormous health inequality, however even among those classes our tax burden is pretty low, and this cliff seems like the only way the military will get a cut anytime soon, so all and all I'm cautiously optimistic.

In some ways I agree, but the main problem is not going over the cliff, itself; it is the fact that our system is so screwed that it seems inevitable. Remember, the whole reason this Jan 1 2013 deadline existed was because both sides could agree that a blanket cut across all spending was so catastrophically stupid that only a bunch of morons would let it happen; with both sides assuming that after November 6th there would be a shortage of the morons across the aisle. Personally, I think that any agency that cannot operate at 80% with a 20% cut in funding needs to have its infrastructure realigned; but that is the claim some critical organizations (the military, for example) are making, with no signs that they will pull together a working budget even if they are forced to.

The irony is that this inability to get anything done, even when facing a self-made mess, is that it has already hurt the stock market as people lose faith, and it will likely result in another downgrade of the US bonds, actually making the already too-large national debt more painful.

I am with Yonder on this. Without a bill, we would essentially revert to tax year 2000 rates. For my household there is no difference. The big change will be for those making 50-100 k and 100k+.

And I still think the White House has enough discretionary spending to ease the pain for those people in the 50-100k range.

Getting back to some sort of sanity on capital gains and estate taxes would be a nice change of pace for the economy.

Yonder wrote:

I'm still not convinced that doing nothing would be that terrible.

I think what people are really worried about are the economic reports that said the economic cliff would throw us into a mild recession for the first half of 2013 and slow down our economic growth next year from about 3% to something like 0.5%.

Can someone explain to me why, now with Plan B crashing and burning... Republican and conservative leaning media are saying the ball is back in the President's hands to make a movie to avert the fiscal cliff? Yet again, we see Obama compromising on campaign positions ($250,000 or more-level income tax increases) for the sake of reaching a deal with Republicans, they storm off when they don't get exactly what they want, try to do something pointless and "symbolic" and when that fails for them... they try to blame it on Obama?

Have they noticed the polling showing most Americans would hold them as responsible for this? Do most Americans even realize that budget matters are supposed to originate in the legislative branch and (traditionally) in the House? They failed and now they're like, hey Senate and President, try to fix this.

Baaaaaaaaah!

Well even as a matter of politics, I wonder about that move. You can blame Obama all you like, he is not up for re-election. And there are a lot of republicans up for a new bid in 2014.

KingGorilla wrote:

Well even as a matter of politics, I wonder about that move. You can blame Obama all you like, he is not up for re-election. And there are a lot of republicans up for a new bid in 2014.

The thing with blaming Obama is you can just make it stick with the "four more years of [lame duck candidate]" chant.

Bloo Driver wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

Well even as a matter of politics, I wonder about that move. You can blame Obama all you like, he is not up for re-election. And there are a lot of republicans up for a new bid in 2014.

The thing with blaming Obama is you can just make it stick with the "four more years of [lame duck candidate]" chant.

Except it didn't work this year in the election... or did I miss a recount?

Demosthenes wrote:

Can someone explain to me why, now with Plan B crashing and burning... Republican and conservative leaning media are saying the ball is back in the President's hands to make a movie to avert the fiscal cliff?

Blaming Obama is all they can do. The failure of Plan B shows how weak Boehner--and by extension the entire GOP leadership--has become in the face of Tea Partiers, FOX News, and conservative think tanks like The Heritage Foundation.

They obviously didn't read the label. Plan B only works within 72 hours.