Bill Kristol tells GOP to come back to the table.

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I found this story extremely interesting.

During a panel on Fox News Sunday, Kristol predicted that “Republicans will have to give in much more than they think” because of President Barack Obama’s overwhelming electoral defeat of Mitt Romney.

“Four presidents in the last century have won 50 percent of the vote twice: Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Obama,” the conservative pundit explained. “It pains me to say that, to put him in with those other three, but it’s a fact. Democrats picked up seats in the House and the Senate. The president is in good shape. … I think there will be a big budget deal. It will be an Obama budget deal much more than a Paul Ryan-type budget deal. Elections have consequences.”
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“I really don’t understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000 — make it $500,000, make it a million,” Kristol insisted.

“Really? The Republican Party is going to fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of whom voted Democratic and half of them live in Hollywood?”

Since I've recently seen other high-profile conservatives calling for a softening of the "no negotiation" stance I'm hoping that we'll see more of the party come back to the table. The only recent story I've seen that has me worried about this is the report about Obama's newest budget proposal.

That document, which sought about $1.5 trillion in new revenue, was declared "dead on arrival" on Capitol Hill - along with virtually every other legislative proposal - when it landed there last winter during election season.

But it is being resurrected by the Obama administration as a framework for negotiations with Republicans to avoid the "fiscal cliff" of steep tax increases and indiscriminate budget cuts set to take effect the beginning of next year.

The fact that this is basically the same budget that Republicans completely shut down last time isn't inspiring confidence. While there have been some flickers of the idea that "we may need to negotiate" floating around the Republican party I'm not sure how many are going give this proposal an honest look because of their initial response to it and how they think it might look if they "cave in" now.

So, is this really a sea change for the Republican party in working with Obama or are these just instances of a few highly visible conservatives calling for change?

Defeat really does make you take stock of your position....

If the Republicans take their medicine very early in Obama's second term, it takes that issue off the table. Plus, if you give the democrats their plan and it fails, you will campaign vigorously on that point in 2014 and 2016. Two years of gridlock causes more republican congressional losses in 2014 and a cloudy 2016.

Obama has the mandate, pass his plan, make him own it, and let us see where we end up.

Duoae wrote:

Defeat really does make you take stock of your position....

Romney's reasoning for loss includes gifts to hispanics which caused unprecedented levels of voting, hurricane Sandy, etc...

Romney wrote:

"What the president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote, and that strategy worked."

Ummm... that's what campaigning is... and always had been... if we replaced Hispanics with rich people, evangelicals, or what not... and it would have described his own campaigns attempts. I dunno, maybe I'm just reading this in a snarky, sore loser state, but "gifts from the government" comes off like he gave TVs to people on the street or something outside polling places.

And given they attribute his success to getting so many not white people out to vote, and not as a shift in demographics of the country... I suspect 2016 may not go so great for the Republicans without like a really bad video of the Democratic candidate... or Joe running, that would also screw the Dems.

What gifts?

Speaking of Romney blaming his loss on gifts, I'm starting to see more returns to sanity on the Republican side and I'm liking it.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, a rising Republican star who stumped for Mitt Romney repeatedly on the campaign trail, assailed the failed presidential candidate for his remarks to donors on Wednesday that President Obama was reelected because of “gifts” to minorities, young people, and women.

“I think that’s absolutely wrong,” Jindal said later Wednesday at a news conference in Las Vegas at a meeting of the Republican Governors Association. “We have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent.“

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The election, Jindal said, showed that “if we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.”

If you go to the NY Times blog from yesterday, he gives some specifics.

The Article wrote:

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest, was a big gift,” he said. “Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008.”

So.... the big problem for Romney was that President Obama pushed legislation that helped people and they in turn voted for him. What a devious (and yet somehow still completely incompetent) bastard. I mean, who coulda seen that coming?!

And so Bobby Jindal, once a rising Republican star, is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of stinking traitors who are betraying the "true" conservative cause!

One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.

Ah, the American dream of being born rich.

Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:

And so Bobby Jindal, once a rising Republican star, is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of stinking traitors who are betraying the "true" conservative cause!

And so Bobby Jindal is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of Republicans looking ahead to 2016.

KingGorilla wrote:

What gifts?

I don't know about you guys, but speaking as a Young African American, the day after Obama won I got my "RAHOWA Black Supremacist" gift bag in the mail. There's menthols, $20,000 in "welfare" checks that I can use on whatever I want, and the updated 2013 guidebook on how minorities can be The Real Racists.

Prederick wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

What gifts?

I don't know about you guys, but speaking as a Young African American, the day after Obama won I got my "RAHOWA Black Supremacist" gift bag in the mail. There's menthols, $20,000 in "welfare" checks that I can use on whatever I want, and the updated 2013 guidebook on how minorities can be The Real Racists.

Dammit. The atheist gift bag was sadly lacking:
IMAGE(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yg34Ry1bG9g/UJWOHJbLCNI/AAAAAAAAEgU/UwVu46ebagU/s1600/I+got+a+rock.jpg)

The honky gift bag just had a coupon to Applebees.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

The honky gift bag just had a coupon to Applebees.

Hey, the free spinach and artichoke dip with any entree purchase is better than a rock.

Demyx wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:

And so Bobby Jindal, once a rising Republican star, is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of stinking traitors who are betraying the "true" conservative cause!

And so Bobby Jindal is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of Republicans looking ahead to 2016.

I don't believe a word of Bobby Jindal until he actually shows it with action. He has been one of the strongest pushers of creationism in schools at the state level, and I didn't see anything about backing off of that in his speeches.

Hmm. Asian gifts tend to be envelopes of cash or baskets of oranges.

God I hope it isn't oranges.

Mixolyde wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:

And so Bobby Jindal, once a rising Republican star, is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of stinking traitors who are betraying the "true" conservative cause!

And so Bobby Jindal is joining Chris Christie in the ranks of Republicans looking ahead to 2016.

I don't believe a word of Bobby Jindal until he actually shows it with action. He has been one of the strongest pushers of creationism in schools at the state level, and I didn't see anything about backing off of that in his speeches.

Well, he means 100% of Christians, of course.

Greg wrote:

If the Republicans take their medicine very early in Obama's second term, it takes that issue off the table. Plus, if you give the democrats their plan and it fails, you will campaign vigorously on that point in 2014 and 2016. Two years of gridlock causes more republican congressional losses in 2014 and a cloudy 2016.

Obama has the mandate, pass his plan, make him own it, and let us see where we end up.

I ... don't understand. Try a plan rather than immediately howl at it as a failure because of who wrote it? I may need to go lie down.

As for the GOP "coming back to the table", I will believe it when I see it. People seem to have short memories, but the GOP did a very good job in 2009 of pretending they wanted to help pass some of Obama's stuff if only he would do X, Y, or Z, Obama would capitulate, and they would still refuse. The tenor of things feels different now, sure. But I dunno. I BEEN BURNED BEFORE, BABY.

Maybe this all is a grand ploy of GOP -- to look outwardly contrite and worthy of compassion in the public eye, with the conservative pundits self-flaggelating themselves publicly, and "rising GOP stars" being trotted forward with the task of looking reasonable and cooperative?

And then come 2016, and BAM! POTUS Bobby Jindal "repeals" Obamacare and makes it so that Medicare only covers treatments if they are faith-based?

Also don't forget Jindal was one of the ones refusing the stimulus money for his state (Louisiana of all places) and I believe wanting to sue the government over Obamacare.

It looks like Bobby Jindal is moving toward a rejection of the Laffer Slope nonsense.

In his remarks Monday Jindal didn’t come right out and say he supported increasing taxes on the rich. But it was still apostasy, especially coming from the new chairman of the Republican Governors Association. Imagine that in October a prominent Democrat had said, “We are not the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.” The only possible Republican response would be an accusation of class warfare. Yet Jindal, a two-term governor with a future, did just that. It’s unlikely that he’s had a come-to-Jesus moment on economics since I heard him speak a year ago. It’s far more likely that trickle-down economics, having failed with economists, has now been shown to have failed with the public. Protecting low taxes in general and job creators in particular is as much an electoral identity as it is an economic policy.

Why do people continue to think Jindal has a "future"?

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Why do people continue to think Jindal has a "future"?

Because they've forgotten his disastrously bad State of the Union response?

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Why do people continue to think Jindal has a "future"?

He is one of the browns.

It is the same thinking as Sarah Palin will get the GOP the woman vote.

Tanglebones wrote:
iaintgotnopants wrote:

Why do people continue to think Jindal has a "future"?

Because they've forgotten his disastrously bad State of the Union response?

You're just jealous of his demon hunting skills.

Look, the funny thing about all these guys is that they're all responsible for the state of their party. Bill Kristol is the guy that gave us Sarah Palin and the Iraq war. We've covered Jindal pretty well. I wouldn't believe anything any of these guys say until they actually do something about it. Maybe if Lincoln Chaffee re-emerges somewhere we can talk about how the GOP is changing.

A very good point.

Mixolyde wrote:

I don't believe a word of Bobby Jindal until he actually shows it with action. He has been one of the strongest pushers of creationism in schools at the state level, and I didn't see anything about backing off of that in his speeches.

What do creationism and racism have to do with one another?

Yeah, they're both right-wing positions, but other than that I can't see how they're connected. I think it's entirely reasonable for somebody to genuinely come around on one of them and still be horribly wrong about the other.

Vargen wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

I don't believe a word of Bobby Jindal until he actually shows it with action. He has been one of the strongest pushers of creationism in schools at the state level, and I didn't see anything about backing off of that in his speeches.

What do creationism and racism have to do with one another?

Yeah, they're both right-wing positions, but other than that I can't see how they're connected. I think it's entirely reasonable for somebody to genuinely come around on one of them and still be horribly wrong about the other.

Where do you read something about racism?

Vector, it depends on how you want to view his isolationist and anti-Mexican rhetoric.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/...

With all the issues I have with Jindal, I don't think that Anti-Mexican-immigration stance necessarily makes him a racist outright. Merely a nationalist.

I think Vector was confused how we went from -

Mixolyde wrote:

I don't believe a word of Bobby Jindal until he actually shows it with action. He has been one of the strongest pushers of creationism in schools at the state level, and I didn't see anything about backing off of that in his speeches.

To -

Vargen wrote:

What do creationism and racism have to do with one another?

It was an odd question in response to what he was responding to.

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