Gaming Confessions & Blasphemy

oMonarca wrote:

People who play multiplayer games with no pants and with no underwear are weird.

Pfff, much better now that's off my chest.

People who play multiplayer just in underwear or just pants are fine.

If you're going no pants and no underwear you need to very carefully consider the colour of your couch.

Aaron D. wrote:
Scratched wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
NSMike wrote:

This thread is a recipe for community toxicity...

Yeah.

Only if handled badly I think, or at least no more than any other thread. Saying someone has a "wrong opinion" isn't heading down a good road though.

For my part, it's just in good fun (thus the smileys).

Hope no one is taking them as a serious slight.

I think we're all mature enough to respect each other's quirky opinions, and I find various counterarguments interesting reads.

I feel of it as more of a venting thread in terms of negative opinions about things. If I can't disagree with people about video games like an adult then how can I function in the real world?

I do not judge others harshly for having opinions different than mine. It is instead a chance to see what drives people to think the way they do.

oMonarca wrote:

People who play multiplayer games with no pants and with no underwear are weird.

Pfff, much better now that's off my chest.

I ummm...uhhhh....what?

Pants are constricting.

Agreed with ccesarano. I enjoy knowing what other people think about things and why, particularly when those thoughts run counter to my own opinions. Sure, sometimes my gut reaction is less than positive, but other perspectives are interesting to me. And I don't even mean that in a "hooray for pluralism!" way - I'm genuinely interested much of the time.

ianunderhill wrote:

Agreed with ccesarano. I enjoy knowing what other people think about things and why, particularly when those thoughts run counter to my own opinions. Sure, sometimes my gut reaction is less than positive, but other perspectives are interesting to me. And I don't even mean that in a "hooray for pluralism!" way - I'm genuinely interested much of the time.

(rimshot)

detroit20 wrote:

@ibdoomed - That's a fair criticism of my post, so I'll try to clarify.

Exploration is a joy indeed a joy in 'Souls' games. However, there are elements of Demons/Dark Souls that I would argue are nigh on impossible for most players to find without outside assistance as there is no manual and the tutorials for neither game mention them.

I'm thinking particularly of the false walls that can only be found by striking them. However, I'd also argue that the fact that Platinum-ing (neologism?) those games requires you to discover pretty much every single in game item also qualifies as an impossible task without help.

In the pre-internet days, the only way a developer could cater for the gaming's completionists was to ensure that the game manual either told them where everything was or at least strongly hinted at strategies that would enable those players to find them. Now in these manual-less days you absolutely have to got to t'interweb.

You are probably right in that there are things nigh impossible to find without help but that's where I think we may have had different experiences and thus a different outlook on the game. You mention the illusory walls. I think the first one was behind Q? Or in darkroot depending on when you went where. But both times people had left messages letting me know. Also another huge point of the game is being perceptive and you get punished for not... slime anyone?

ianunderhill wrote:

Agreed with ccesarano. I enjoy knowing what other people think about things and why, particularly when those thoughts run counter to my own opinions. Sure, sometimes my gut reaction is less than positive, but other perspectives are interesting to me. And I don't even mean that in a "hooray for pluralism!" way - I'm genuinely interested much of the time.

Are you wearing pants when your gut reaction is less than positive?

Gumbie wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
NSMike wrote:

This thread is a recipe for community toxicity...

Yeah.

Because expressing an opinion is a terrible thing.

I think people here are mature enough to handle it. Even though I don't agree with a lot of people here I am enjoying reading other people's opinions on some of these things and getting different view points.

Conversely, I think this is stupid and all of you are too.

Spoiler:

Not true, this is hilarious and you are all awesome!

Gumbie wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
NSMike wrote:

This thread is a recipe for community toxicity...

Yeah.

Because expressing an opinion is a terrible thing.

I think people here are mature enough to handle it. Even though I don't agree with a lot of people here I am enjoying reading other people's opinions on some of these things and getting different view points.

I'm with Gumbie, as much as I vehemently disagree with a few things that have been said in here, it's still been fun reading people airing their grievances with games many people consider some of the best games ever.

I find it particularly fun because I often don't care for those games myself and it's nice to know I'm not just one of a small few, but that there's plenty of people out there that don't care for them at all.

My most common reaction through this thread has been the urge to post that "internet high five" picture.

Nevin73 wrote:
ianunderhill wrote:

Agreed with ccesarano. I enjoy knowing what other people think about things and why, particularly when those thoughts run counter to my own opinions. Sure, sometimes my gut reaction is less than positive, but other perspectives are interesting to me. And I don't even mean that in a "hooray for pluralism!" way - I'm genuinely interested much of the time.

Are you wearing pants when your gut reaction is less than positive?

What meaning of the word "pants" are you using here?

So when you guys talk about how great the writing in FFT is, you're talking mostly about the original PSOne version? Been meaning go retry those games as the game play seemed fairly simplistic and un-involving when I first tried.

I have never played Bioshock, and I'm not sure I ever will. I just have no interest whatsoever.

I needed to add another couple quirks of mine.

I wish the internet never expanded to the console generation and playing games split screen was still the norm.

Now that I have your attention... OR in the very least all multiplayer games came with the option of split screen so I could hangout and play multiplayer games with friends, like N64, while not owning the same console. I miss hanging out and playing games like golden eye with everyone in the same room taunting or cheering you on to get the last player standing.

I waited over night sleeping in front of a store to buy the Nintendo wii when it was first released

I have only played the wii max 30-40 times and the only game I hook the wii back up to play is Boom Blox...

Ooh, I thought of a good one!

I like how Call of Duty has essentially become the annual-Madden-game franchise for multiplayer shooters.

For four years straight, I've been able to count on having a new, solidly crafted fast-paced multiplayer shooter game on my 360 just in time for winter.

Higgledy wrote:
oMonarca wrote:

People who play multiplayer games with no pants and with no underwear are weird.

Pfff, much better now that's off my chest.

People who play multiplayer just in underwear or just pants are fine.

If you're going no pants and no underwear you need to very carefully consider the colour of your couch.

It's a life in brown. That's what "realistic" military shooters told me. Live a life in brown.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
NSMike wrote:

This thread is a recipe for community toxicity...

Yeah.

I disagree, but only because with a few rare exceptions, there's been no arguing going on in the thread. People posting opinions and/or thoughts, often in direct contradiction to others, but it's not devolving into people arguing as a result. This has been a highly enjoyable thread to read, and even post a couple times!

...even if I still think you're all weird because I like damn near everything.

I hate that so many gamers use the term "good writing" to mean "it reminds me of LOTR/Star Wars/Sci-Fi or Fantasy Franchise."

Faulkner, Hawthorne, DeLillo, that's good writing. Orwell's essays are good writing. The writing in gaming consists of finely differentiated levels of trash.

CptGlanton wrote:

I hate that so many gamers use the term "good writing" to mean "it reminds me of LOTR/Star Wars/Sci-Fi or Fantasy Franchise."

Faulkner, Hawthorne, DeLillo, that's good writing. Orwell's essays are good writing. The writing in gaming consists of finely differentiated levels of trash.

Good writing in a game:
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This thread makes me realize that in some ways taking a poo in the middle of St. Peter's Basilica would draw less ire than some of what has been said in here.

Minarchist wrote:

I will second Journey and recommend you check out El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron....It also deals a lot with the tension between two philosophies espoused in "The Grand Inquisitor" chapter of Dostoevsky's grand work The Brothers Karamazov.

A bit off topic, but The Grand Inquisitor is my all-time favorite single passage/chapter in print.

I'm a Dostoevsky fan to start with (see avatar and gamer tag), but this small pull from Karamazov is easily his best work, so popular that it's been released in book format all by itself.

The fact that Dostoevsky can so utterly and convincingly argue for (The Devil) and then against (The Grand Inquisitor) the existance of god in a single work just blows my mind.

KingGorilla wrote:

This thread makes me realize that in some ways taking a poo in the middle of St. Peter's Basilica would draw less ire than some of what has been said in here.

This is an enthusiast forum. I'm sure if you went on a bike forum and said everyone should get rid of chains there would be similar types of response.

Scratched wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

This thread makes me realize that in some ways taking a poo in the middle of St. Peter's Basilica would draw less ire than some of what has been said in here.

This is an enthusiast forum. I'm sure if you went on a bike forum and said everyone should get rid of chains there would be similar types of response.

Belt drive is the future. Get with it already.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

4x games suck balls
Yeah, I said it. Dwarf Fortress? Sucks. Hard.

IMAGE(http://rps.net/QS/Images/Smilies/emot-raise.gif) I've never ever heard anyone call Dwarf Fortress a 4X game.

4x-ish? I thought it was. Regardless, Dwarf Fortress and its ilk... blech.

Warriorpoet897 wrote:

So when you guys talk about how great the writing in FFT is, you're talking mostly about the original PSOne version? Been meaning go retry those games as the game play seemed fairly simplistic and un-involving when I first tried.

I feel like we might be getting a little too off-topic, but there's always a caveat when it comes to these things.

Firstly, the story in FFTactics is amazing, but the original PSOne localization goes from being good to being the worst thing ever. It's like they hired a bunch of interns to do it, assigned them different parts of the game and didn't have them communicate with each other at all. The princess will be referred to by three similar yet different names (Ophelia and Ovelia being the two I remember off the top of my head), something that you'd expect them to at least have meetings for.

But the story has a lot of great elements to it as well as characters. You have class warfare, where the war is in some ways about the lower class rebelling against the nobles. You have the simple politics of two brothers vying for the same throne. You have the Church trying to manipulate the war into their favor by choosing a successor to the throne that can be their puppet. You also have the Church getting into some nasty supernatural stuff while simultaneously unraveling the truth behind the religion the Church is built on top of. And all the while you have two protagonists. Ramza, the one you play, who is mostly unseen and saves the world from the big supernatural evil threat. But then there is his once best friend Delita, who saves the people from the oppressive political nobles.

The ending kind of makes no sense, but that could be because 1) bad translation at spots and 2) Japan.

The PSVita version is said to have a better translation, but I feel like you trade the positives of more accurate translation with the negatives of every character saying thee, thou and ye olde all the time.

As for gameplay, like all JRPG's it starts much more slowly than it becomes. To this day I haven't found a Tactical RPG in its vein that I've enjoyed as much simply because so much goes into chance-to-hit. Are you attacking from the side? Chance to hit changes. From behind? Chance to hit changes. From above? Chance to hit changes. Where are you positioned on the battlefield? Range changes. How long will it take to pull off this attack? You can open a menu and see what turn order, allowing you to plan and plot attacks more effectively. What classes work well combined? Who should I have on my team for this fight? Does this character have stronger Bravery or Faith, thus determining what class I make them? (Faith = better magic, Bravery = better physical fighting)

I haven't played too much Disgaea, only a few hours, but to me it felt like the game's actual combat mechanics really weren't that interesting. You had magic that had interesting patterns, but it felt more like the "fun" to that game was in building your army. This is the biggest Tactical RPG I know of since FFTactics, and it just pales in comparison for me because the actual battlefield in FFT is such a brilliant place to be.

The game does have moments of difficulty spike, though. This is one JRPG you do NOT want to grind, or else the random encounters will all be beyond your current equipment level. The monster stats boost differently from the player's, and you'll soon change any view you might have had of chocobos being "silly" once they achieve a total party wipe in as few moves as possible. At the same time, this does make some of the story based missions incredibly difficult.

To anyone that has played the game, all I have to say is "Wiegraf" and I'm sure they know what I'm talking about.

ianunderhill wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:
ianunderhill wrote:

Agreed with ccesarano. I enjoy knowing what other people think about things and why, particularly when those thoughts run counter to my own opinions. Sure, sometimes my gut reaction is less than positive, but other perspectives are interesting to me. And I don't even mean that in a "hooray for pluralism!" way - I'm genuinely interested much of the time.

Are you wearing pants when your gut reaction is less than positive?

What meaning of the word "pants" are you using here?

Pants are the most overrated clothing item of all time.

ccesarano wrote:

To anyone that has played the game, all I have to say is "Wiegraf" and I'm sure they know what I'm talking about.

The real issue with Wiegraf is if you save over your only save state just before that battle, you can get stuck there with literally no way to proceed. A gamer should know better, but I was pretty young and green when this happened to me!

I think the re-release of FFT should be the definitive version. I honestly don't understand what people are complaining about when it comes to slowdown, it just doesn't seem bad at all to me. And the translation, despite being too flowery, at least makes sense compared to the original with moments like "Defeat Dycedarg's brother" and the assassins using "Stop Bracelet" to kill you.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

Pants are the most overrated clothing item of all time.

After kilts and linear narrative in videogames!

Demyx wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

To anyone that has played the game, all I have to say is "Wiegraf" and I'm sure they know what I'm talking about.

The real issue with Wiegraf is if you save over your only save state just before that battle, you can get stuck there with literally no way to proceed. A gamer should know better, but I was pretty young and green when this happened to me!

I think the re-release of FFT should be the definitive version. I honestly don't understand what people are complaining about when it comes to slowdown, it just doesn't seem bad at all to me. And the translation, despite being too flowery, at least makes sense compared to the original with moments like "Defeat Dycedarg's brother" and the assassins using "Stop Bracelet" to kill you.

I definitely notice the slowdown, but the upgrade in translation more than makes up for the inconvenience.

Honestly, free FFTactics: War of the Lions on Vita PSN+ is one of the reasons I'm considering getting a Vita now, so slow-down be damned I want to play that game everywhere.

But, cannot afford it right now.

Gamers need to stop being so touchy about 'sacred cows' getting remade, even if it's in a different genre. Call me when they've gone and made a bad game.

Rubb Ed wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

4x games suck balls
Yeah, I said it. Dwarf Fortress? Sucks. Hard.

IMAGE(http://rps.net/QS/Images/Smilies/emot-raise.gif) I've never ever heard anyone call Dwarf Fortress a 4X game.

4x-ish? I thought it was. Regardless, Dwarf Fortress and its ilk... blech.

It's reserved for strat games like Civilization, Crusader Kings, even Sins of a Solar Empire.