2012 US Presidential Race Catch All

KrazyTacoFO wrote:
Dirt wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I think this is something people underestimate. If you think JFK had an uphill climb convincing people he was Christian enough wait until you see what comes out with a Mormon general election candidate.

We just might. There are 2 politically moderate Mormons getting ready announce running for President. It's going to be tough for them to get the GOP nom, but I think their (from initial readings) politics could get them the General Election win.

This is from the Palin thread and thought it was more appropriate to respond here. What moderates, GOP or Dems, have a snowballs chance in Sheol to defeat Obama? Or to even win the GOP nomination?

Huntsman seems to be trying to go the full rightwards tilt - he's throwing himself completely behind the anti-medicare Ryan budget.

KrazyTacoFO wrote:
Dirt wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I think this is something people underestimate. If you think JFK had an uphill climb convincing people he was Christian enough wait until you see what comes out with a Mormon general election candidate.

We just might. There are 2 politically moderate Mormons getting ready announce running for President. It's going to be tough for them to get the GOP nom, but I think their (from initial readings) politics could get them the General Election win.

This is from the Palin thread and thought it was more appropriate to respond here. What moderates, GOP or Dems, have a snowballs chance in Sheol to defeat Obama? Or to even win the GOP nomination?

That's the problem. A moderate can't get on the ticket, as far as I can tell. Fox and Roger Ailes are killing off the Republican Party.

I think the last time a Republican campaigned as a moderate for the Presidency was the 2000 election, when both Bush & McCain did.

I still think that if a Republican was intelligent, rational, and didn't have his yearbook photo in the Old Testament, he could pose a serious challenge. Mitt Romney may be weighted down by his magic underwear and "Romneycare;" perhaps Huntsman?

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

I still think that if a Republican was intelligent, rational, and didn't have his yearbook photo in the Old Testament, he could pose a serious challenge. Mitt Romney may be weighted down by his magic underwear and "Romneycare;" perhaps Huntsman?

Sure - Huntsman meets that criteria. He's as moderate as a Republican can be, but that means he has no hope of coming out on top of the primaries.

Romney, meanwhile, is apparently trying to make it more difficult for himself. It should be funny watching him try to back away from these comments when he gets to the South.

billt721 wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

I still think that if a Republican was intelligent, rational, and didn't have his yearbook photo in the Old Testament, he could pose a serious challenge. Mitt Romney may be weighted down by his magic underwear and "Romneycare;" perhaps Huntsman?

Sure - Huntsman meets that criteria. He's as moderate as a Republican can be, but that means he's making a mad dash to the right as quickly as his little legs can carry him..

FTFY..

billt721 wrote:

Sure - Huntsman meets that criteria. He's as moderate as a Republican can be, but that means he has no hope of coming out on top of the primaries.

Romney, meanwhile, is apparently trying to make it more difficult for himself. It should be funny watching him try to back away from these comments when he gets to the South.

I'd have a lot more respect for Romney if he'd actually take a firm stand on something. The guy has the fortitude of a bowl of Jello. Want to impress me Mitt, say something like "you'd have to be living under a rock to think that we aren't having an effect on the environment.".

Is it really impossible for a Republican to run for and win the Presidency without caving to the far right or the religious nutbags? If it is, that's really a shame because I'd truly like to hear the views of a pragmatic, moderate Republican. I'm just not sure if they exist anymore.

Bear wrote:

If it is, that's really a shame because I'd truly like to hear the views of a pragmatic, moderate Republican. I'm just not sure if they exist anymore.

Turn on the news next time Obama has a speech.

Well, Santorum is officially in the race. Let hilarity ensue...

Nevin73 wrote:

Well, Santorum is officially in the race. Let hilarity ensue...

I bet his opponents are frothing at the mouth..

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Not always funny, but the occasional gem.

Today, America, I officially enter the ring. I ask for your support to help ease the way.

This is frustrating to watch, because every single Republican candidate is engaged in a Death Race to the Right to appease the new status quo. I mean, from what I've seen so far, the answer to every single "falling behind in the polls" question is to go even further to the right. Who in the heck's going to get the nomination at this rate?

Prederick wrote:

This is frustrating to watch, because every single Republican candidate is engaged in a Death Race to the Right to appease the new status quo. I mean, from what I've seen so far, the answer to every single "falling behind in the polls" question is to go even further to the right. Who in the heck's going to get the nomination at this rate?

Did you ever think you'd see a time when Ross Perot would be a shoe in front runner?

Bear wrote:
Prederick wrote:

This is frustrating to watch, because every single Republican candidate is engaged in a Death Race to the Right to appease the new status quo. I mean, from what I've seen so far, the answer to every single "falling behind in the polls" question is to go even further to the right. Who in the heck's going to get the nomination at this rate?

Did you ever think you'd see a time when Ross Perot would be a shoe in front runner?

From what I've learned here, it must be even more frustrating for libertarians.

"No, not THAT far right! The OTHER far right!"

Well, according to Reuters Obama's closest competitor is "Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent."

Kehama wrote:

Well, according to Reuters Obama's closest competitor is "Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent."

weird, weren't they JUST saying that Romney had Obama beat 49-43?

Seth wrote:
Kehama wrote:

Well, according to Reuters Obama's closest competitor is "Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent."

weird, weren't they JUST saying that Romney had Obama beat 49-43?

Nah, there was a recent WSJ poll that had Obama only beating Romney 47-41 - that seems like an outlier at this point, but time will tell.

I am sure that the Tea Party's paymasters and the GOP realize full well that while beating Obama in 2012 would certainly look spectacular, it's absolutely not necessary. They're already getting practically every concession they want out of this administration, and if they cannot get Obama to cede a point on some particular policy or other, they can easily sabotage them in Congress and on state level.

GOP can nominate someone passably electable like Romney, or someone completely looney as Palin. It doesn't matter. Even though Obama will beat either one in 2012, GOP will still get what it ultimately wants. Since the POTUS of 2012 will most likely inherit a prolonged recession, there is actually a strong reason to nominate the looniest candidate possible, and losing the election with a big pomp.

The Onion wrote:

According to Halperin, the 22-by-28-inch poster emerged as a serious contender for the Republican nomination because it offers a clear, consistent vision and refuses to compromise on its fundamental principles. Beltway insiders have also noted that the slogan "Liberty, not debt" on the back of the sign has solidified its appeal with the influential Tea Party bloc.

A bunch of top campaign staffers on the Gingrich campaign resigned en masse today.

Washington Post[/url]]Former House speaker Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign imploded Thursday afternoon with his entire senior staff resigning en masse, according to multiple sources familiar with the moves.

“When the campaign and the candidate disagree on the path, they’ve got to part ways,” said Rick Tyler, a longtime Gingrich spokesman who was among those who left the campaign.

Tyler as well as Rob Johnson, Gingrich’s campaign manager, Dave Carney and Katon Dawson, senior strategists to the effort, media consultant Sam Dawson, Iowa strategist Craig Schoenfeld, South Carolina operative Walter Whetsell and Georgia-based adviser Scott Rials have all stepped aside. Much of Gingrich’s early state operation was also headed for the exits, according to a one senior campaign source.

There's some speculation this opens the door to Texas governor Rick Perry entering the race, since several of those staffers are ones Governor Perry has indicated he wouldn't campaign without.

Dimmerswitch wrote:

There's some speculation this opens the door to Texas governor Rick Perry entering the race, since several of those staffers are ones Governor Perry has indicated he wouldn't campaign without.

Is that the same Rick Perry who talks about his state's independence and them not needing the Federal government? The same Rick Perry who couldn't wait to request Federal aid as soon as they had some fires?

Yeah, we need another hypocrite in the race.

Meh, what's one more.

Why does he want to be president of our country? He already has his own.

DSGamer wrote:

Why does he want to be president of our country? He already has his own.

They don't make very good weaves or rent boys here? Or so I've heard.

I'm not a Perry fan, but he may as well try his luck. Pawlenty was supposed to be a serious candidate, but he released a big "respect me for my budget balancing skillz" plan that even republicans find absurd. Romney is the only guy to announce so far who is even barely viable as a national candidate.

The interesting thing will be how crazy the GOP tilts. Romney is a palatable if boring GOP candidate. They all go crazy in the primary (both parties) and tilt towards the various constituencies they feel they need to impress.

DSGamer wrote:

The interesting thing will be how crazy the GOP tilts. Romney is a palatable if boring GOP candidate. They all go crazy in the primary (both parties) and tilt towards the various constituencies they feel they need to impress.

Romney is a human mannequin. I'm not sure he could fog a mirror.

Maybe Bob Dole will run to spice things up a bit!

Bear wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The interesting thing will be how crazy the GOP tilts. Romney is a palatable if boring GOP candidate. They all go crazy in the primary (both parties) and tilt towards the various constituencies they feel they need to impress.

Romney is a human mannequin. I'm not sure he could fog a mirror.

Maybe Bob Dole will run to spice things up a bit!

Bring on Richard Nixon's head!

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Bear wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The interesting thing will be how crazy the GOP tilts. Romney is a palatable if boring GOP candidate. They all go crazy in the primary (both parties) and tilt towards the various constituencies they feel they need to impress.

Romney is a human mannequin. I'm not sure he could fog a mirror.

Maybe Bob Dole will run to spice things up a bit!

Bring on Richard Nixon's head!

Arrooooo!

I'd love to see a humanity-off between Romney & Steve Forbes.