Disney Buys LucasFilm, Star Wars Episode 7 in 2015

Grenn wrote:

Then Luke's world crumbles as Obi-Wan dies and he cries out in desperation.

Yeah, that was great. Especially coming all of 45 minutes after the aunt and uncle who raised him from infancy were murdered in cold blood and he responded with a shrug. "Guess that means I'm free to go princess-rescuing with a dude I've known for less than a day." (-:

ccesarano wrote:

Overbearing is right. I liked the silence better.

Y'know what? The fight isn't flashy, but I like it. It looks like two people having a sword fight. Two people that are actually studying each other's movements.

I dunno. Probably biased.

It looks that way on purpose, because it (the choreography) was derived from sport fighting, in which people are actually fighting (in a sense), rather than executing choreography. When their swords clash, it's not because they want to hit each other's weapons; it's because one person wants to hit the other guy, and the other guy is defending.

It doesn't really look all that different from sport fencing or kendo.

Of course, Obiwan is using fencing-for-stage which makes the fight choreo look a bit different.

It's not that wushu or kung fu cannot evoke the same feeling. It can. Some of the best fight scenes on film were executed in kung fu. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon has some exceptional fights in it. So does Rumble in the Bronx.

The Qui-Gon/Obiwan/Maul fight had three main storyboard points:

1. Quigon dies
2. Obiwan is defeated
3. Maul can take them both on at the same time
4. Jedi are disciplined, Sith are emotoinally driven

These narrative points are sparse, and they were not shown as powerfully as they might have. An obvious difference in fighting style could make point 4 a lot more powerful, but this was unfortunately not exploited. The Jedi could have been made to look more considered, more graceful; especially with slow-mo close-ups of Quigon's calm, collected demeanor even during a heated exchange of blows.

Point 2 is not delivered with as much drama and story as it could have. In the last scene, Obiwan totally loses it, and is soundly defeated. We could reason that this is because he lost his Jedi calm, but the point isn't visually arresting. His fighting style doesn't become dramatically more erratic than it was before, and there's no clear indication that he is less powerful than he was when the fight started, other than he was defeated.

Point 1 is uninteresting apart from its own position in the plot. Part of that is because Quigon is so weak as a character, and because their relationship was not developed as much as it could. I saw, but did not feel, Obiwan's anguish at Quigon's death. But much of it is because we don't really know why Quigon got defeated. It looks like it was just a cheap shot that did him in, but even that is unclear. A directed choreography that tells the story apart from looking good and clean would have not only made Quigon a much stronger character, but also made his defeat a lot more intelligible.

Man, I'd love to see more lightsaber fights handled like Kendo.

Yes that video was enlightening.

hbi2k wrote:

The fight choreography itself is pretty stiff, but look at Vader's body language. He talks all kinds of mess about how Obi-Wan is weak and now Darth is the master, but he orients his body away from him. He respects the old man and is wary of him.

I mentioned this exact point before, but to further emphasize this point; by my view, Obiwan was dominating that fight up until the Stormtroopers came in and he decided to throw it. He was doing most of the attacking, he was more mobile, and he came closer to hitting a few thrusts.

For a "master," Vader was pretty darn defensive.

This is the sort of subtext a well-directed fight choreo can give to the dialogue in a fight scene.

As a note, I don't hate choreographed fights (partly because they're all choreographed). I dig Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and Jet Li's The One, and there's choreography all over the place there. I just hate how it's everywhere now and fights don't have the same gravitas when people are practically dancing instead of, well, fighting.

That video is interesting! It does shine some light on what the Obi-Wan/Vader fight was trying to show. It's still way too slow, which saps the fight of its lethality (look how fast those guys in the video are!). And that spin is still, er, out of place... but at least it has some basis in reality. I wish they'd used some stunt doubles to get a sense of speed into the fight.

But I still maintain that choreographed fights make just as much sense in a universe where psychic-warrior-monks fight with laser swords. I honestly don't think one should go looking for too much deeper meaning when watching Star Wars (either trilogy). Gimme spinny dudes moving like Hollywood ninjas on speed!

By the way, I think the Aragorn/Lurtz fight in LotR is a perfect example of a decent fight that at least seemed realistic, or at least not stylised. It really felt like two people just trying to kill one another, no dancing or showiness. I agree there's not enough of that sort of thing in modern Hollywood cinema.

Check out the final duel in Rob Roy as well

Redwing wrote:

By the way, I think the Aragorn/Lurtz fight in LotR is a perfect example of a decent fight that at least seemed realistic, or at least not stylised. It really felt like two people just trying to kill one another, no dancing or showiness. I agree there's not enough of that sort of thing in modern Hollywood cinema.

If you're talking about the one at the end of Fellowship, then I agree. But notice how both sides keep getting hurt. Aragorn gets knocked to the ground. He shoves a dagger into dude's thigh in desperation. Dude tears it out and throws it back, and while it would take GREAT skill to deflect it, you can buy that Aragorn can do it based on the way his deflection looks.

That stuff is bad ass when done right, but again, it depends on how you choreograph it. Star Wars prequels look like a dance routine, not a fight.

I think that The Hunted strikes the balance that we are looking for here, check out this fight scene:

That movie was so freaking bad. Ugh....

ccesarano wrote:

That stuff is bad ass when done right, but again, it depends on how you choreograph it. Star Wars prequels look like a dance routine, not a fight.

I guess my point is that, in a movie such as Star Wars, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Edit: Also, that Rob Roy fight is fantastic, I'd forgotten about that. Need to watch that movie again.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxkr4wS7XqY

Can't link youtube correctly from work...but i'll just leave this here.

IntangibleFate wrote:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxkr4wS7XqY

Can't link youtube correctly from work...but i'll just leave this here.

Bravo.

Nice piece in Businessweek about how the sale happened.

I didn't know that:

Businessweek wrote:

Lucas had paid close attention to how Disney had handled Pixar, which he still refers to as “my company.” He founded it as the Lucasfilm Computer Division in 1979, and sold it to Jobs six years later.

jonfentyler wrote:

Nice piece in Businessweek about how the sale happened.

I didn't know that:

Businessweek wrote:

Lucas had paid close attention to how Disney had handled Pixar, which he still refers to as “my company.” He founded it as the Lucasfilm Computer Division in 1979, and sold it to Jobs six years later.

Well, there is more to the Lucas-Pixar story (him "founding" it is a stretch)...it is all well captured in The Pixar Touch. Well worth the read.

MisterStatic wrote:
jonfentyler wrote:

Nice piece in Businessweek about how the sale happened.

I didn't know that:

Businessweek wrote:

Lucas had paid close attention to how Disney had handled Pixar, which he still refers to as “my company.” He founded it as the Lucasfilm Computer Division in 1979, and sold it to Jobs six years later.

Well, there is more to the Lucas-Pixar story (him "founding" it is a stretch)...it is all well captured in The Pixar Touch. Well worth the read.

I can see that. Most of the Lucas quotes in the story were definitely self-aggrandizing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRHy...

edit: Oops, NSFW sketch I guess

EDIT: Skimmed the Games and Platforms subforums. Found it there. Move along. Nothing to see here.

I´m too lazy to translate, so maybe Hobbes or Mex can help you out. First, here´s what the newspaper article says:

Walt Disney planea cerrar el estudio LucasArts que heredó tras la adquisición de la compañía cinematográfica de George Lucas el año pasado y concentrarse en otorgar licencias de su marca Star Wars, dijo este miércoles un portavoz.

El cierre del estudio de desarrollo de juegos, que funciona desde hace unos 30 años, supondrá el despido de un número no precisado de personas.

Quedará un pequeño equipo para encargarse de las licencias, pero todo desarrollo interno ha sido suspendido, incluido el muy esperado título Star Wars 1313, dijo Miles Perkins, portavoz de Lucasfilm.

El productor cinematográfico, guionista y director George Lucas, famoso por ser el creador de la franquicia Star Wars, vendió Lucasfilm a Disney en octubre pasado.

No está claro cuánta gente está empleada en LucasArts.

Una fuente cercana a la compañía dijo que los trabajadores afectados serán notificados la próxima semana.

El portavoz de Lucasfilm se negó a revelar el número de empleados actualmente en LucasArts o aquellos afectados por el cierre.

Disney, que el año pasado anunció que pagará 4 mil 50 millones de dólares por Lucasfilm y posee su propia división de juegos interactivos, lleva varios meses realizando una revisión interna para recortar gastos.

And now, to summarize:

Disney plans to close shop on LucasArts, the gaming branch acquired in last october´s transaction, when Disney bought Lucas´ company for 4.5 billion dollars. It is unknown how many people constitute the workforce of said branch, and the people will be notified next week that they´re being laid off. A small team will remain to handle the licenses, but internal development of ALL projects has been suspended, including, some game called Star Wars 1313.

Anyone else finding any info about this? Sad day I have to say. I never played a single Star Wars game, as I´m not interested in the franchise in any media, shape or form, BUT, I am sad about Monkey Island, Grim Fandango, and other great titles that maybe, could´ve seen the light of day with this purchase. Now I guess they´ll never happen.

I was honestly relieved George finally let go of the reigns.

He's lost his way and frankly, other writers can do his legacy much better.

All would be forgiven if they just made this into a movie:

Warning: Nerdgasm at 1:45

Hell, even pull from the Star Wars books. Some of those writers were fantastic

Spoiler:

(except the one who had Chewbacca killed). That mofo should be thrown off a barge into the Sarlac pit never to be seen or heard from again.

That video is interesting, but it's still the hyperactive version of Star Wars. I prefer Obi Wan and Darth Vader fighting with grace as opposed to Yoda spinning like a top and everyone else looking like they're from The Matrix.

I don't think he made that up--I think he was trying to warn us this very pitch is going around right now. By 2020, there will be only one movie, a shuddering rapacious yog-sothoth of CG and cross promotion, emblazoned on everything from Pepsi cans to gene therapies to the night sky itself, consuming everything and everyone, Testuo-style.

I, for one, can't wait to see spider robot Chewbacca.

I'm pretty sure all future Star Wars movies will be full of DRM and require always on connections to view, too.

Jayhawker wrote:

I'm pretty sure all future Star Wars movies will be full of DRM and require always on connections to view, too.

Of course. I already have to use software to break the DRM on my Disney Blu-Rays so I can watch them on my PC.

Gumbie wrote:

Awww.... Video taken down.

[edit] Actually, much worse - not available in my country!!! WTF? >:(

[edit2]

Took me a while but I got an alternative for those not in the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsKI...

Jayhawker wrote:

I'm pretty sure all future Star Wars movies will be full of DRM and require always on connections to view, too.

The worst part is that they took away the Start menu and made you buy the movie through an app store.

Patton Oswalt SW Episode VII Park&Rec Filibuster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsKI...

Nevermind, it's been posted.

Hawkeye and Black Widow are not first tier! :old: