Arrow: New CW show to replace Smallville

Tenebrous wrote:

Here is my theory on season one given what has been revealed in season two so far:

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Malcolm Merlin was basically recruited and trained by the League of Assassins the same way Bruce Wayne was in the first Batman film, except he actually went through with what they wanted to do. Merlin is an interesting parallel to Batman in the sense that they have similar back stories, loosing someone close to them in a bad part of town, wandering the world for trainingand coming back to his home town changed.

In any case the the city is in the League's sights me thinks.

I think that's pretty likely, but:

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I wonder, first of all, how tied in with the League Merlyn actually is. Was he acting as their willing agent, or did they just train him with the understanding that he was a useful and powerful psycho whose plans they could piggyback, or did he get high enough in the ranks to gain enough autonomy to initiate the Undertaking himself?

I think it is pretty clear that Slade is getting dosed with Japanese supersoldier serum on the island, which is somehow related to Blood's plans, and given Canary's League of Assassins connection, and her presence on the island, there's a good chance they're behind both.

Grenn wrote:

I really wish they'd have had him on a helicopter or plane so he could yell "Pilot!"

He had guns, he really should have called one by the distinctive name of an actress.

Grenn wrote:

Ok, that was awesome!

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Merlin returning was bullsh*t, but I love it!

Awesomer in my opinion since they pulled the fakeout earlier in the season. I cackled with glee.

Gaald wrote:

I am also watching the show. It is really good, and the 2nd season has just taken it to a new level. I can't wait to watch the latest episode.

Do it, it was bonkers.

Nice to be watching season 1 of something when you know it only gets even better in season 2!

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I'm a little bit surprised that they killed off Count Vertigo. They've shown a reluctance to do in characters named after DC properties. After they brought back Deadshot with an arrow through his eye, I thought we were working with comic book rules, where nobody really dies.

This whole time, I thought that Oliver specifically told Tommy that he didn't kill his father. I guess I misheard that.

The Felicity/Oliver proto-romance needs to die in its crib. There's nothing compelling about it. They don't complement each other very well. There's no chemistry between the actors whatsoever. A Felicity/Diggle romance makes more sense at this point.

Moira's lawyer was a much better Stargate Doctor than a defense attorney. Constantly outmaneuvered, and her one move of note was to get her client's daughter to dump her boyfriend to make her more appealing. Which doesn't make any more sense out loud than it does written down.

He hasn't shown up for a few episodes now, but I really love Detective Lance. He was great in the Dresden Files, in spite of the script. He's been awesome here. He should have been playing these types of hard-boiled cop roles for the past decade. Did we really need a casting agent with a geek hard-on to give him a shot here?

He hasn't shown up for a few episodes now, but I really love Detective Lance. He was great in the Dresden Files, in spite of the script. He's been awesome here. He should have been playing these types of hard-boiled cop roles for the past decade. Did we really need a casting agent with a geek hard-on to give him a shot here?

While I don't mind him as an actor. I have noticed every line he says in this show he seems like he is out of breath. It's kind of hilarious at this point.

kazooka wrote:
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This whole time, I thought that Oliver specifically told Tommy that he didn't kill his father. I guess I misheard that.

He did specifically say that, and he thought he was lying.

I, too, think Detective Lance is great, especially the way he usually talks like he came from a different, much more hard-boiled detective comic.

Crap. It's already up to episode 4, season 2 of arrow on Hulu+. I have 2 episodes of season 1 left. I may just skip the first 3 as much as I hate to. It'll also help manage my time better because I have too many other things to watch/play.

Haaaaha. "There's at least a teraflop of data to go through."

Season 2 is so good even skipping those first three episodes! All caught up and really enjoying it.

Interesting! Just got to the episode where

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The woman I'm assuming is Black Canary has been "recalled" by Ra's al Guhl. I was not expecting a larger DC universe tie-in so soon!

By the way, Arrow's "disguise" seems terribly poor this season. Even with the hood and make-up, he's constantly being lit very well in front of people.

Stay tuned. It's not been overlooked.

That was some pretty solid acting this week.

I just can't wait to see where all of this leads! We seem to be building up to a pretty big battle involving several heroes and villains.

Yet another fantastic episode. I liked how

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Nyssa winked at a kid in a friendly manner one moment only to brutally beat down a whole bunch of guards the next. Then collected herself, smiled, reached for her roll-on luggage and calmly walked pass the gate.

Very quickly established her character.

Everything is very clearly leading up to something big but I have a feeling we might not see much of it. Throughout the whole of season 2 the show runners seem to be rapidly expanding the, so called, DC Arrowverse. However, a lot of it seem to spin off to things outside and external to Starling City and the people close to Oliver.

I guess what I'm saying is that, agreed, something huge is going to go down. But we will mostly only see Oliver deal with the fallout from it that spills into Starling City. Until something happens that pulls him into the larger conflict. The League of Assassins is a good place to start as well as the passed mentioned UNIT. Another could be Central City, where one trigger event has already taken place.

I like how different it is from both the traditional DCU and the New 52. This is totally its own thing.

I also like how it looks like there will need to be an Ollie v. League of Assassins showdown. Ra's next season? I can't imagine bringing in Ra's with Deathstroke still running this in the background.

And Merlin is still skulking around out there.

There are some really solid baddies floating around without things getting overly super-powered (I could go for some more white hats, though).

It's really encouraging for the next show they're working on right now which I won't mention because I don't want to argue with gaald, it's a spin-off from this one, though.

They named the dude Barry Allen, and then... had that stuff happen to him. It doesn't get any clearer. Don't get why that's a spoiler. I'm half shocked it didn't come up in conversation when the episodes aired, unless people in the thread just aren't fans of that character and didn't recognize the name.

Thin_J wrote:

They named the dude Barry Allen, and then... had that stuff happen to him. It doesn't get any clearer. Don't get why that's a spoiler. I'm half shocked it didn't come up in conversation when the episodes aired, unless people in the thread just aren't fans of that character and didn't recognize the name.

We all know Barry Allen. He's Squirrel Girl. Took down some heavy hitters in his day.

Jumping in because this is currently my favorite show to be keeping up with right now.

Though "f*ck Laurel" has become a mantra for me and my roommate, because every chance she gets this season she's being 100% self-centered and self-destructive. At least Thea was a spoiled rich girl too young and immature to comprehend the trials Oliver went through.

oilypenguin wrote:

I also like how it looks like there will need to be an Ollie v. League of Assassins showdown. Ra's next season? I can't imagine bringing in Ra's with Deathstroke still running this in the background.

My impression is that they want to solidify the threat that the League of Assassins represent, but seeing as we've only reached episode 13 of the season and still have roughly 10 more to go, I'm afraid they may end up making things a bit too crowded and convoluted. I'd prefer Ra's be the big bad of season three, but it seems all the more likely that they'll be bringing all kinds of characters in at once.

I just realized the Red Hood was nowhere to be seen this episode. I wonder if I've forgotten some detail from the previous episode.

In any event, my only question now is, if they could use Ra's al Ghul as a villain, why not Talia?

Falchion wrote:

Yet another fantastic episode. I liked how

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Nyssa winked at a kid in a friendly manner one moment only to brutally beat down a whole bunch of guards the next. Then collected herself, smiled, reached for her roll-on luggage and calmly walked pass the gate.

Very quickly established her character.

Ehh, I dunno. I don't care how bad ass you are, you don't just hop on a plane like nothing happened after that. That airport is getting shut down and the real cops/SWAT are getting called.

ccesarano wrote:

Ehh, I dunno. I don't care how bad ass you are, you don't just hop on a plane like nothing happened after that. That airport is getting shut down and the real cops/SWAT are getting called.

She was at customs. You go through customs when you arrive in another country. There's no reason to think she was heading to a plane. I took it to be her arrival in Starling city.

Unless I missed a visual detail or something.

Roy not showing up was a bit weird but I can rationalize it by the fact that Ollie wouldn't trust him to either investigate or fight against the League.

Dude would get killed in a fight or start punching random passersby while investigating.

And having the known juvenile delinquent dating Thea at Moira's mayoral announcement?

Anyway, I rationalized it all away. At least for myself =)

Thin_J wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Ehh, I dunno. I don't care how bad ass you are, you don't just hop on a plane like nothing happened after that. That airport is getting shut down and the real cops/SWAT are getting called.

She was at customs. You go through customs when you arrive in another country. There's no reason to think she was heading to a plane. I took it to be her arrival in Starling city.

Unless I missed a visual detail or something.

It's probably more that I have only flown a plane once and never to leave the country, and all I remember of the experience was taking off my shoes and gripping the seat during take-off thinking "THISISIMPOSSIBLETHISISIMPOSSIBLEMANCANNOTFLY". So I'll chalk that up to my own ignorance and misinterpretation.

While the lack of Roy seemed odd, I imagine it's because the script would simply be way too cluttered with yet another character, especially one so disconnected from the core of the episode's story.

oilypenguin wrote:

There are some really solid baddies floating around without things getting overly super-powered (I could go for some more white hats, though).

It's really encouraging for the next show they're working on right now which I won't mention because I don't want to argue with gaald, it's a spin-off from this one, though.

I appreciate the fact you held off on going into details. I think most of us, if not everyone here knows who Barry Allen is, but you never know. The question is, when are they going to finally make the big reveal. Last we heard he was still in a coma.

He is. I think they're still casting for that series, it hasn't started filming yet. I bet he comes back towards the end of this season of Arrow.

So Season 1 of that series will... run parallel to S3 of Arrow?

Two things I love about this show are the fights and how interconnected the cast are. And those both continue to hold up.

oilypenguin wrote:

And having the known juvenile delinquent dating Thea at Moira's mayoral announcement?

Shows she's a woman of the people!

As someone known to screw around with the little safety gate strappy things, I really appreciated Nyssa using it to choke someone.

Thin_J wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Ehh, I dunno. I don't care how bad ass you are, you don't just hop on a plane like nothing happened after that. That airport is getting shut down and the real cops/SWAT are getting called.

She was at customs. You go through customs when you arrive in another country. There's no reason to think she was heading to a plane. I took it to be her arrival in Starling city.

Unless I missed a visual detail or something.

Yep it's customs and she just arrived in Starling City. The bigger question would be, given the resources the League of Assassins have, why did she not fly in on a private jet or some other more covert type of transportation? Quick way to establish how bad-ass and charismatic is one thing, but it's interesting to note that when her passport got flagged bringing in the guards, it wasn't Interpol that raised the alert, but ARGUS.

I'm guessing there is going to be a showdown between the League of Assassins and that Squad that Amanda Waller from ARGUS was seen trying to recruit Bronze Tiger into.

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Them against the League? That's almost Suicide

oilypenguin wrote:

Roy not showing up was a bit weird...

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There was an amazing sequence in here that unfortunately we just had to cut for time, because this episode was so jam-packed. We actually had Oliver tell Roy (Colton Haynes), "I want you to go down to the hospital and keep an eye on Laurel." When Nyssa and her goon kidnapped Mrs. Lance, Roy confronts them, and Nyssa shoots him with a dart with snake venom, and she says, "A normal person would be dead by now, you're stronger than you look," and he says, "I get that a lot." Then they have a fight, but the venom starts to affect him and she takes him out. It was a great sequence, and they're great in it, but it wasn't propelling the story forward -- it was just a really neat moment.

Argh, Clock King. I hate the Clock King.

Unexpected Harley Quinn non-appearance.

Completely oddly placed, too. Just "by the way, Harley Quinn AAAAND scene change". My roommate and I were amused at it, but at the same time it was very "Huh...well, that was...there."

The Harley Quinn bit was hilarious. Loved it!