A personal announcement, emphatic thank-you, and cheers to Fedora.

Shaving difficulty: Knees < Chins <<<<<< Elbows

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Shaving difficulty: Knees < Chins <<<<<< Elbows

I have more trouble with my knees than my elbows for some reason. Maybe because my legs are super hairy everywhere but my arms it's mostly on the forearm.

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I decided I could do eye makeup practice even with my face all stubbly. Here's a picture with stubble concealed, and the brown wig in the same style. I think it worked out better, and definitely emphasized the green in my eyes more. I'm still kind of bad at putting on eyeliner evenly, but less bad than I was an hour or two ago.

(In this shot: Foundation, concealer, eyebrow pencil, eyeliner, mascara, eyeshadow.)

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How am I doing with my eyebrows? (The one you can see, anyway...) I've been shaping them just a little bit at a time, and I think they're getting pretty good now without being super feminine when I'm in boy mode. I might tweak the shape a little, but this seems like a pretty good spot.

Not sure how to deal with my baggy lower eyelids. The harsh lighting makes them stand out more, though, and hopefully with the eye cream and stuff that will be less bad over time.

Your eyebrows look great! Especially for doing them by hand. You've probably already found this rule of thumb (inner corner/pupil edge/outer corner), but it looks like you're about there. You can even bring them in toward the center a little more without risking any unibrow.

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So far as the eyelids go, you can probably find something helpful at Sephora. There are a lot of fancy tightening creams nowadays. And not strictly related, but I can't recommend this highly enough:

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You just line your bottom waterline with it. Nap in a stick. Seriously. It's amazing.

clover wrote:

Your eyebrows look great! Especially for doing them by hand. You've probably already found this rule of thumb (inner corner/pupil edge/outer corner), but it looks like you're about there. You can even bring them in toward the center a little more without risking any unibrow.

IMAGE(http://ceeme.onsugar.com/files/ons/211/2115360/40_2008/eyebrow_01_copy_copy.jpg)

Holy crap, do you ladies have a jig for that?

[size=2]If not I'm going to patent the Golden Ratio Eyebrow Stencil[/size]

LiquidMantis wrote:

[size=2]If not I'm going to patent the Golden Ratio Eyebrow Stencil[/size]

I'd buy one, if it has a Fibonacci Spiral on the back.

I did mention it was arcane science. (And yes, there are in fact eyebrow stencils.)

My eyebrows don't actually go much farther towards the center than that. I brought one out just a little bit to match up with the other. I'll possibly revisit that at some point.

Edit: Okay. This is kind of weird, but I'm going to add this. I mentioned in another thread earlier today in P&C that I have some masochistic tendencies. Because of a whim, I am now in possession of the thermonuclear device of foundation garments. I am worried that with the combination of the above-mentioned tendencies and my dysphoria, I could be tempted to do some kind of unhealthy things--because I kind of like it a lot. So if you see signs of me going overboard in that direction, please call me out about it. Thanks, and sorry for the weird semi-down note. It's better to be safe and healthy.

(And that holds even if your immediate response is "No, no, no! Don't even go there at all." I'm not exactly objective, so... Yeah.)

Hypatian wrote:

the thermonuclear device of foundation garments

Waist training?

Duly noted, though.

Just a pretty basic corset, not super small, but enough to give me a figure and make me have to breathe more shallowly. I'd say that if I started sleeping in it that would be a very bad sign, so I'm not going to do that. Actually, just mentioning it at all is probably a good enough hedge to keep me honest with myself. So, thanks for having listening ears.

And one of the people who reads this thread is the coworker I mentioned above. I would feel super weird saying that to him in person, but he'll probably come across it and then keep an eye out for me. ;>

(P.S. I think I've just passed "I don't like to dress up" escape velocity. That starship has sailed...)

Welcome to suffering for fashion.

Hypatian wrote:

Just a pretty basic corset

Anyone from the Joy of Programming thread could have seen this coming. Your passion for strong, static types and strict execution. All the warning signs were there.

(If we can invoke Fibonacci when discussing eyebrow-shaping, we can also make programming languages jokes. )

As long as you stay away from pipe-stem corsets...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/helen_s...

Extreme corset form with a long stem compressing the rib cage. To develop such a tube form of the waist and be able to wear such a corset claims for years of training being laced continously day and night. But the result is a remarkable. And don´t forget that being constantly laced up in such a pipe stem corset your back muscles will be weakened and you will need the support of the well-boned and strictly laced corset for the rest of your life.

WTF?

Yep. That used to happen to women, up until the turn of the century or so when corsetting went out of fashion. Ever wonder why all that fainting went on? Wear one of those outfits once and you'll figure it out quick, fast and in a hurry.

I was in an opera once, and the director was a stickler, and he knew someone who had a bunch of real antique 1860's ballgowns, and he insisted we all wear them with the authentic underwear. It was gorgeous, but trying to sing in that thing (and wearing all that in the middle of summer, under all that stage lighting) was no picnic. That, and many of them had beaded hems and every time you walked across the stage it sounded like you were running a rolling pin over gravel.

Yay! Had a great night tonight.

Went to the Transpitt meeting in the outfit I showed earlier, with my new brown wig, foundation, a little eye-bright, and eyebrow pencil--decided not to do eye makeup after I got to the meeting early, just because I thought I was looking pretty darned good without, and I still want more practice on that. Saw an old friend of mine there who I'd been expecting to run into in these circles, and chatted with her a bit to catch up, which was nice. Really enjoyed just being me all evening. Got a few nice compliments. Didn't go to the bar with people afterwards because there's a big drag show tonight and it's sure to be a mess. Got a ride home from another friend afterwards instead of taking the bus, so that I wouldn't have to bundle up and feel stressed on the way home. (On the bus downtown I wore a sweatshirt and my coat over my outfit, and my guy shoes.) Walked up to my apartment figuring "If any of my neighbors sees me and recognizes me (or not), I don't give a damn." :>

And now I'm just hanging out for a few minutes before taking off the wig and makeup and changing back into guy clothes to grab a very late dinner.

A good evening all around. It's nice to be me.

Hypatian wrote:

It's nice to be me. :)

Simply awesome.

Sounds like an awesome night

Hypatian wrote:

A good evening all around. It's nice to be me. :)

That's the important part, right there.

Great stuff! You are a really brave woman!

Trying out an electric epilator today, to see if it would be a good alternative to shaving. So far, seems promising. I did one arm and one leg pretty thoroughly, and the other arm kind of so-so, and some of my chest. Shaving has just been a nightmare, and I hate the stubble. Hopefully at some point hormones will help thin things out, but in the meantime, ugh.

Skin on my arm (shaved Saturday night) got pretty bumpy and irritated, but is recovering nicely. If it stays nice for more than a couple of days, that's a net win, because stubble from shaving is back practically overnight for me. :X Leg (shaved last wednesday) got a little bumpy, but less irritated than the arm did. Abdomen (shaved a week or two ago) didn't really get bumpy at all, but had a lot of hair so it was pretty hurty. Seems smoother than with shaving by a good bit, at least in most places. I understand waxing is better, but I've never done it. I was able to easily epilate places that I can't normally shave easily--usually a combination of hard to reach and kind of loose skin. Unlike electric shears, the epilator also doesn't leaves nasty welts from pinching places with scar tissue (stretch marks, scars from having my gall bladder out.) Overall, it seems like the worst possible outcome from being too aggressive is OH GOD OW OW OW when it suddenly yanks a bunch of hairs at once. No danger of cuts or gouges.

Time will tell if I have more or less problems with in-grown hairs than shaving. I actually suspect less, because I shave against the grain too often to get a closer shave, and I think that pushes some hairs down under the skin instead of cutting them. If it's about the same, it seems like a net win due to hopefully having to do it less often and getting nicer results. If it's better, it's absolutely a win.

General pain level ranged from SWEET JESUS in a couple of sensitive areas to OW OW OW in less sensitive areas, fading to numbness. The more sensitive areas didn't seem to numb out, but that might have been partially because I couldn't keep working on them for too long at one time. Going over an area clean or mostly clean of hair was pretty painless, with the occasional tug as another hair got snagged. I imagine that regular maintenance would be much easier than the first time, with less hairs to pick up at once. (Disclaimer: As I revealed above, I have an atypical relationship with pain.)

Once I got in the groove with some music playing and working over stuff, it was kind of relaxing. (But damn, these things are loud.)

This was with a pretty cheap epilator I picked up at Target. (Remington EP-6025.) Depending on future results, I think I may invest in a nicer one. (I've heard good reviews of something from Emjoy, I think, for the heavier sort of hair problems trans women who aren't on hormones yet deal with.)

Jury's still out until I see about ingrowns, but so far I like it.

Epilators aren't bad, but sometimes you have to wait til the hair is long enough to get it to work and you may be tempted to shave before then. Also, if you're using a cordless one, make sure it's charged fully, the slower it rotates the more it will hurt and the less effective it is. A cold washcloth press afterwards will help close up where the hairs were pulled out of to keep bacteria from getting in and causing irritation.

Yeah—it definitely was much easier on the areas with a bit longer hair. It doesn't need a ton to work with, but the more there is the less you have to go over an area before one of the little tweezer things grabs on.

Thanks very much for the tips!

Hypatian wrote:

I understand waxing is better, but I've never done it.

Neither have I, but I had a trans friend years ago who had regular full-body waxing done. She said that after the first time, it wasn't really painful, as long as she frequently and regularly maintained it. (She worked in a salon, which made all-over waxing very affordable/accessible - I'm not sure how practical an option it is for your average person.)

On the other hand, my college roommate came home one afternoon with a home waxing kit. She disappeared into the bathroom, and for the next fifteen minutes, such bloodcurdling shrieks came from the bathroom that I'm surprised the neighbors didn't come to see who was being murdered. When she emerged, I asked if it had been worth it. Her reply: "Oh, that was just the test strip."

She never wound up using the full kit.

"Home waxing kit" sounds like something the government developed when waterboarding was made illegal.

Waxing is worth every penny, and best left to the professionals because of the scenario Elysia just painted.

I don't mind waxing my legs at home now that I'm used to it, but when it comes to sensitive spots or awkward areas like elbows, I leave the job to someone else.

With respect to everyone, we're kind-of off-course from the original intent of the thread. I don't want to be a buzzkill, but perhaps this kind of discussion could go somewhere else?

Yeah, sorry about that, NSMike. I'd been kind of thinking that for a while myself, but I was torn between the awkwardness of staying here and the awkwardness of moving the discussion to a new place. Thanks for kicking our asses.

And thanks again for the use of the thread in coming out. *hug* Hopefully the next time someone has something they need to share, they'll feel that this is a good place for it.

If no campus GSA has ever held an OMGWTFGLBTQBBQ, then they really should. They can have that idea for free too, I just want to see the poster.

Maybe a Goodjer could throw one for IGWJD: the OMGWTFIGWJDGLBTQBBBQ (the extra B stands for BYOBB).

Gravey wrote:

If no campus GSA has ever held an OMGWTFGLBTQBBQ, then they really should. They can have that idea for free too, I just want to see the poster.

Maybe a Goodjer could throw one for IGWJD: the OMGWTFIGWJDGLBTQBBBQ (the extra B stands for BYOBB).

What's that extra B for?

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:
Gravey wrote:

If no campus GSA has ever held an OMGWTFGLBTQBBQ, then they really should. They can have that idea for free too, I just want to see the poster.

Maybe a Goodjer could throw one for IGWJD: the OMGWTFIGWJDGLBTQBBBQ (the extra B stands for BYOBB).

What's that extra B for?

It's a typo.