Space Sims/Strategy Games Catch-All

Veloxi wrote:

That is sexy, but there's something off to be about it. The controls maybe...they seem too responsive, more like an FPS than a fighter. Could be wrong though.

Heh, I know exactly what you're saying, but it's just funny to me to think that something can have controls that are too responsive.

I see no reason not to buy a USB Joystick for this beautiful game.

edit* And wait patiently for the X-Wing mod.

Anyone heard of Legends of Pegasus? Read about it today over on RPS. 4x comparing themselves to Sins but with a story.

Tigerbill wrote:

Anyone heard of Legends of Pegasus? Read about it today over on RPS. 4x comparing themselves to Sins but with a story.

WANT!

Hell with the Sins expansion if it's only on Impulse anyway.

Tigerbill wrote:

Anyone heard of Legends of Pegasus? Read about it today over on RPS. 4x comparing themselves to Sins but with a story.

That one sounds really nice. I too wish there was some other way to buy the next Sins, but this one might just fill the bill.

There's no love lost between Impulse and myself, but I'm not going to take that out on Ironclad. :/

Michael wrote:

There's no love lost between Impulse and myself, but I'm not going to take that out on Ironclad. :/

For most people it's Gamestop's involvement. For any Sins game after this latest one, I will most likely buy a boxed copy directly from Ironclad; as long as that transaction is not tied to Gamestop.

Michael wrote:

There's no love lost between Impulse and myself, but I'm not going to take that out on Ironclad. :/

I will not have Gamestopware on my computer. If Sins requires Impulse for updates, they lose. I love Sins, but I have plenty of other games to play.

Can someone sell me on the upcoming Sword of the Stars 2? I never played the original but I was told of it about a week ago. I was about to hit the Buy button when they then mentioned that the sequel would be out in less than a month, so now I've held off to see what happens. After all, it could be like Civ IV where the sequel comes out but has half the features/depth of the fully expanded prior version.

Anyway, as a big MoO I and II fan (I even liked some of the unique features of MoOIII at least on paper) but as someone who didn't really get grabbed by Galactic Civilizations, is this an easy buy for me? Is there an announced price? I have heard it will be on Steam on or about Sept 20th.

polypusher wrote:

(I even liked some of the unique features of MoOIII at least on paper)

BLASPHEMY !

Just kidding ;). I did try to play the game twice and there are a few people who liked it :lol:.

I actually wouldn't mind a recommendation for a MOO2 like game I did try a few variants in the pasts but I never tried Stardock's space games other than Sins of A Solar Empire and it's a different game.

There is a Sword of the Stars II thread which is fairly active. I personally don't know how to digest it. My current computer can't run it because it's running Win XP .

Tigerbill wrote:

Anyone heard of Legends of Pegasus? Read about it today over on RPS. 4x comparing themselves to Sins but with a story.

I just woke up from my joy-induced coma after reading that same article, TB. If they deliver even close to what they're talking about, Coldstream will be a happy boy. I just really hope they deliver the one tiny thing I love that makes all the difference for me: little working bits on the ships (rotating turrets, hangar bays, etc.)

Niseg wrote:

BLASPHEMY !

Just kidding ;). I did try to play the game twice and there are a few people who liked it :lol:.

Well there were a lot of interesting things they tried (and mostly failed) to do. Some of these have since become standard features in 4x games.

One of the most interesting bits was the diversity of the races in the game. The novelty of running into a species that really only cares about gas giants was pretty cool. This isnt something I've seen duplicated.
The focus on reducing micromanagement was really the right thought, just implemented the wrong way. Virtually all strategy games now offer some automation or AI control over the really gritty detail work in the name of accessibility or just keeping the game moving along at a good pace.
If I remember right, there were minor races that could get added to your empire and grow as a sort of sub-culture within your own. I think bits of that survive in things like Vassal states in Civ.

They probably could have had something if they didnt launch with so many bugs and had a better UI designer. Instead they all but killed the genre for a decade

BadKen wrote:
Michael wrote:

There's no love lost between Impulse and myself, but I'm not going to take that out on Ironclad. :/

I will not have Gamestopware on my computer. If Sins requires Impulse for updates, they lose. I love Sins, but I have plenty of other games to play.

Geez. Tough room. As a wise man once said, 'What's the deal with Gamestop?'

As a Canadian and proud northern redneck I've never been in a Gamestop and when I found Steam, an experience not unlike finding the Lord, I never went back to any retail outlet again for my PC gaming fix. Praise Gabe.

I think Gamestop bought Impulse to let Impulse be Impulse. Like when Activision bought Blizzard and let Blizzard be Blizzard, i.e., a money-making machine. Gamestop wants in on the digital download business. That's it. I hardly think they are going to want to throw their investment money out the window by screwing up Impulse's money-making business model.

Agree? Disagree? I've got all day. And I've got pants.

Strangeblades wrote:
BadKen wrote:
Michael wrote:

There's no love lost between Impulse and myself, but I'm not going to take that out on Ironclad. :/

I will not have Gamestopware on my computer. If Sins requires Impulse for updates, they lose. I love Sins, but I have plenty of other games to play.

Geez. Tough room. As a wise man once said, 'What's the deal with Gamestop?'

As a Canadian and proud northern redneck I've never been in a Gamestop and when I found Steam, an experience not unlike finding the Lord, I never went back to any retail outlet again for my PC gaming fix. Praise Gabe.

I think Gamestop bought Impulse to let Impulse be Impulse. Like when Activision bought Blizzard and let Blizzard be Blizzard, i.e., a money-making machine. Gamestop wants in on the digital download business. That's it. I hardly think they are going to want to throw their investment money out the window by screwing up Impulse's money-making business model.

Agree? Disagree? I've got all day. And I've got pants.

I think it's a little hard to predict what they do or don't want to get out of Impulse. Companies buying other companies with a decent business model and running them into the ground is not unheard of.

Like I said, I'm not crazy about Gamestop or Impulse in general, but there are some developers I'll support regardless of platform. Everything else in the world? Steam, no doubt. But Stardock (as a developer) and Ironclad will get my business on Impulse and that's about all they'll get.

I'd cautiously agree with Strangeblades. Gamestop might be a bag of dicks, but their actions are wholly in the interest of making money. They don't need to mess with the current Impulse model and give people YET ANOTHER reason to just go to steam. At this point the only thing Impulse has going for it is Stardock/Ironclad exclusives. And well... lets just say I preordered Demigod and Elemental. Not a great track record there.

Tamren wrote:

I preordered Demigod and Elemental.

Fist bump, sucker brother.

On Gamestop, they annoy the hell out of me. I despise their hard pressure preorder sales tactics and their practice of opening games. I personally have no interest in giving them any of my money, regardless of the division or their intent.

If Gamestop is a public company it has to answer to its shareholders (I assume - I have no idea). They have to justify purchases such as Impulse's acquisition. I can't imagine Gamestop brass telling a group of stockholders that they plan to burn their money and piss on it.

If changes are coming down the pipe I bet you money they are going to adopt/copy the Valve method of doing things - have great deals, foster a community around Impulse, like Steam does, arrange tournaments with their competition-friendly gaming titles, etc. If they are at all smart they will not only copy Valve's business practices but will also do things Valve does not. What that is I have no idea (All Hail Our Lord Gabe) but you gotta be savvy to run a business as big as Impulse and Gamestop.

Sorry to derail the thread from space games.

Strangeblades wrote:

If Gamestop is a public company it has to answer to its shareholders (I assume - I have no idea). They have to justify purchases such as Impulse's acquisition. I can't imagine them telling a stockholder group that they made a multi-million purchase of a company they are going to run into the ground.

Hi! Welcome to the USA! This is the country where companies and intellectual property are routinely bought and then run into the ground by business types who are incapable of caring about the future beyond the next fiscal quarter's results. Believe me, dude, if Gamestop could buy Impulse for $2 million and utterly destroy it over the next two years but make $2.5 million doing it, then that's what they'll do. It's a damned shame, but that's how it seems to work right now. The days of companies giving a rat's arse about quality and stability for the long-term survival of the company seem long-gone.

LiquidMantis wrote:

On Gamestop, they annoy the hell out of me. I despise their hard pressure preorder sales tactics and their practice of opening games. I personally have no interest in giving them any of my money, regardless of the division or their intent.

This. It has nothing to do with how they are/choose to run Impulse; it's that they are a bag of dicks as stated earlier.

LiquidMantis wrote:
Tamren wrote:

I preordered Demigod and Elemental.

Fist bump, sucker brother.

On Gamestop, they annoy the hell out of me. I despise their hard pressure preorder sales tactics and their practice of opening games. I personally have no interest in giving them any of my money, regardless of the division or their intent.

EDIT: If this sounds out of line let me know. I will explain. Or rant more.

Again sorry for derailing the space thread but I gotta respond to this.

Not to pick on you LiquidMantis, because your profile pic scares the sh#t out of me, but I have seen this sentiment often, this notion that a company that wants to make money is offensive.

What the hell people? Of course they want to make money. And they make it hand-over-fist. I expect that desire from every company, including consumer-friendly Valve and the company I work for. Trust me my company would kill your grandmothers if it increased their profit margin by 0.000000000000001%. Every company in the world is out to screw you out of your cash. If they didn't that means they are not making money and if they are not making money they are out of business. Remember their interest in making money will always be against your interest which is spending less money.

Back to space games. Or more ranting. I'm up for both.

Strangeblades wrote:

What the hell people? Of course they want to make money. And they make it hand-over-fist.

I understand this. And you know what, there's a reason I boycott Gamestop. Until you've experienced their lack of respect and sh*tty attitude when you don't preorder, then try to sale you an opened title that has been handled by one of their dirty monkeys then you can't really comment on how we're out of line for not liking the way the continually show lack of respect to their customers. There are plenty of places I can shop that will treat me with respect and give me quality customer service.

GameStop did its best to kill PC gaming for the past decade. I don't go into GameStop because a) the employees are incented to be what I would consider to be aggravating, b) when I buy something new, I like to know that it's new (ie. unopened), c) they don't have anything I care about anyway - all the PC games are usually tucked away in the back on a half shelf and so old they probably won't work with even Vista.

Its their company, they can do as they want, they just have nothing I care about in their B&M stores.

That being said, I won't categorically boycott Impulse. If they have something I want and I can get it nowhere else, I will begrudgingly buy from Impulse. But it certainly won't be first (or sixth) choice.

Anyway, how about those space games? SotS2 looks pretty sweet!

Yeah guys we have a whole Gamestop Buys Impulse topic where you can talk about how much Gamestop sucks. Keep the space talk in here.

LiquidMantis wrote:
Strangeblades wrote:

What the hell people? Of course they want to make money. And they make it hand-over-fist.

I understand this. And you know what, there's a reason I boycott Gamestop. Until you've experienced their lack of respect and sh*tty attitude when you don't preorder, then try to sale you an opened title that has been handled by one of their dirty monkeys then you can't really comment on how we're out of line for not liking the way the continually show lack of respect to their customers. There are plenty of places I can shop that will treat me with respect and give me quality customer service.

You're right. I haven't experienced the Gamestop Ride of Crap, but I have had experience with scummy operations sadly.

Stele wrote:

Yeah guys we have a whole Gamestop Buys Impulse topic where you can talk about how much Gamestop sucks. Keep the space talk in here.

You are right. I will keep my inexperience and foot-in-mouth disease (yumm! toe cheese!) confined to the Gamestop-Impulse thread. I apologize. I'm not used to ranting and have no idea how to handle these emotions.

Nightmare wrote:

GameStop did its best to kill PC gaming for the past decade. I don't go into GameStop because a) the employees are incented to be what I would consider to be aggravating, b) when I buy something new, I like to know that it's new (ie. unopened), c) they don't have anything I care about anyway - all the PC games are usually tucked away in the back on a half shelf and so old they probably won't work with even Vista.

Its their company, they can do as they want, they just have nothing I care about in their B&M stores.

That being said, I won't categorically boycott Impulse. If they have something I want and I can get it nowhere else, I will begrudgingly buy from Impulse. But it certainly won't be first (or sixth) choice.

Anyway, how about those space games? SotS2 looks pretty sweet!

Sweet! :O

Or at least frame the discussion in terms of a great space battle, please.

Grubber788 wrote:

Or at least frame the discussion in terms of a great space battle, please.

+1

There's a Gamestop/Impulse thread.

Stele wrote:

Yeah guys we have a whole Gamestop Buys Impulse topic where you can talk about how much Gamestop sucks. Keep the space talk in here.

...said the first guy to make the Impulse related comments.

Hey... I didn't say why I didn't want Sins on Impulse.

Just that I was happy there was another Sins-ish game somewhere else.

Grubber788 wrote:

Or at least frame the discussion in terms of a great space battle, please.

Hows' 'bout dis?

Imagine if Gamestop was the Empire and the Rebel Alliance was Impulse. Instead of blowing up Yavin IV in Episode 4 of Star Wars they instead buy the companies, and buy out the stock interests of individuals, who are financially supporting the Rebellion. That means no more ships, fuel, weapons or other resources a rebellion of that size would need to survive. Is this spacey?

EDIT: I love SPAZ. There. That solves everything. Once you love SPAZ (Space Pirates and Zombies) you belong on this thread

Talking about what we talk about in a thread angers The Certis!

Uh, I'm really looking forward to Sol and SotS2. There.

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