So Fox News basically aired a live snuff film tonight, a suicide

Thought this would be appropriate.

The country as a whole has just gotten far too sensitive about things. Robert Heinlein had some interesting thoughts about it; if you read his mid-career works he's basically predicting our whole social downfall we've got going on, and he did it back in the '70s.

Fox "News" is the worst perpetrator of them all, and it frankly scares me that they're gaining popularity and credibility as a news source. My wife's parents have that drivel on during ALL WAKING HOURS at their own house, and it's probably the worst thing about my in-laws that I can think of: it's not news, it's sensationalism, and otherwise intelligent people will buy into it because it's being reported as "news".

They report events like it's a reality TV show, using clever editing and catchy titles to jazz up something that's only marginally interesting to begin with. The end result is a non-stop barrage of people getting in front of the camera and talking all day without actually saying anything, which I understand is a valuable skill for politicians and whatnot. Other news outlets lean more toward liberal media, and Fox "News" makes up for all the rest of them put together by being so lily-white-conservative that most Democrats won't even deign to appear on the channel, forcing them to periodically cancel legitimate news events and substitute in the stories about how a child's cat got lost is somehow news-worthy to anyone but the child.

So Fox "accidentally" aired a suicide? So what? Doesn't surprise me in the least. If nothing else, it got people to talk about Fox "News" who normally wouldn't, myself included. They care nothing for how well the public is informed or what people need to know: just like the others, they're in it for the money. I think the nation in general needs to learn how to just let things go and move on. We get far too offended by far too much, and now the list of words that will get you thrown in prison is longer than many persons' vocabularies.

Couple thoughts:

- Budd Dwyer - this has been done before, will be done again

- The Janet Jackson wardrobe malfuction had huge implications for broadcasting. The fallout from that (and probably the smallest, simplest change) is that you no longer heard un-censored versions of older rock songs that had mild (low frequency) profanity, e.g., Who Are You. Wasn't

- Eve if Fox made a mistake then they should be held to the same level of penalties that CBS and Viacom had to deal with after the Super Bowl incident. Though I'm not sure how that all ended up.

- I agree with TAOS. The results of violence should be broadcast. Our country embraces violence. We grew from it, take pride in it. It is how we became great. But the generational calls to "protect the children" has resulted in generations of kids who do not understand the effects of violence. Even with the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we don't truly feel that there is war on...more of a vague inkling that stuff is happening over there.

Nevin73 wrote:

Even with the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we don't truly feel that there is war on...more of a vague inkling that stuff is happening over there.

I have to disagree on this one. We had wall to wall war coverage for about 3-4 years. Endless footage of explosions and casualty counts and exhortations to victory. But eventually people tuned out. You can't run a war at a high pitch in a democracy forever. The public sales job required to pump up a war requires overstatements and promises of a rapid victory. That can't last forever.

I'm not going to feel guilty about tuning out the wars. If you want to go to war, then join up and fight. Take the money and the benefits. Enjoy the honors bestowed by comrades, family, and friends. But don't expect all of society to focus on the fighting. That's not going to happen.

Funkenpants wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

Even with the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we don't truly feel that there is war on...more of a vague inkling that stuff is happening over there.

I have to disagree on this one. We had wall to wall war coverage for about 3-4 years. Endless footage of explosions and casualty counts and exhortations to victory. But eventually people tuned out. You can't run a war at a high pitch in a democracy forever. The public sales job required to pump up a war requires overstatements and promises of a rapid victory. That can't last forever.

I'm not going to feel guilty about tuning out the wars. If you want to go to war, then join up and fight. Take the money and the benefits. Enjoy the honors bestowed by comrades, family, and friends. But don't expect all of society to focus on the fighting. That's not going to happen.

I don't disagree with you. I just feel that most of the country is tuning out and that it didn't used to be like that. Or that, at least, is how I recollect things.

Except CBS is under the auspices of the FCC and Fox News, as a cable channel, isn't. I'm pretty sure they could start airing pornography purposefully and the worse they'd have to worry about is civil suits and being dropped by their cable and satellite carriers.

Funkenpants wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

Even with the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we don't truly feel that there is war on...more of a vague inkling that stuff is happening over there.

I have to disagree on this one. We had wall to wall war coverage for about 3-4 years. Endless footage of explosions and casualty counts and exhortations to victory. But eventually people tuned out. You can't run a war at a high pitch in a democracy forever. The public sales job required to pump up a war requires overstatements and promises of a rapid victory. That can't last forever.

I'm not going to feel guilty about tuning out the wars. If you want to go to war, then join up and fight. Take the money and the benefits. Enjoy the honors bestowed by comrades, family, and friends. But don't expect all of society to focus on the fighting. That's not going to happen.

Pictues of explosions and casualty counts is just the sort of fluff I'm talking about. That's staight up Michael Bey. Nobody is going to see the horrors of war when they are drinking a beer and cheering at the awesome explosions.

We need to see the actual results of those bombs. The destroyed buildings. The dead children. The widows and the orphans wandering around the smoke-filled streets. The body parts littering the ground.

This disassociation between our actions and their consequences is dangerous. It's real easy to say "BOMB IRAN" when you are kept safe and warm from the reality of what that entails. The true cost of human life involved. The depth and breadth of suffering you are inflicting.

The media you mention is more violence porn. It makes us feel awesome and powerful and sure, we know intellectually what is happening but it is very easy to push it out of our mind.

Let's take meat as an example. If you offered someone a Big Mac for free they would probably jump at the offer. If you showed them a video of where the meat came from and then offered them a Big Mac I bet you'd have less people be down with it.

We like our violence like we like our food: processed for easy digestion.

Nevin73 wrote:

I don't disagree with you. I just feel that most of the country is tuning out and that it didn't used to be like that. Or that, at least, is how I recollect things.

It's always been like that. Hell, a chunk of Americans tuned out of WWII and we had the entire country on a war footing. That couldn't compete with the fact that wartime meant that many Americans finally had steady jobs and money in their pocket after more than a decade of the Great Depression.

It's not surprising that most of the country tuned out of Iraq and Afghanistan. For one thing, we've been fighting those conflicts nearly three times longer than we fought WWII. You simply can't keep the nation's attention on something for that long, especially when it's not exactly clear what we're actually trying to accomplish in Afghanistan outside of the vague idea of "fight terrorism" and Iraq is seen by many as an embarrassing and horrible mistake that was executed ineptly.

TheArtOfScience wrote:

Stuff..

QFT.

Farscry wrote:
Mystic Violet wrote:

Honestly, I think it's worse that the video was uploaded to places like YouTube and Buzzfeed just in case anyone missed it the first time.

Yep.
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Also yep. And also one of the many reasons why I frankly find it disgusting for any "news" organization to insist on showing us these "real life cops & robbers videos!" All it does is pander to the basest and most disgusting form of human "entertainment"; sh*t like gladiator matches, dogfights, etc. The lesson of "The Most Dangerous Game" isn't supposed to be "sh*t yeah, hunting humans is f*cking awesome!"

:(

Shouldn't news depict reality? Why can't you just turn away/not click on the youtube link instead of trying to depict a sanitized view of the world towards everyone else?

OG_slinger wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

I don't disagree with you. I just feel that most of the country is tuning out and that it didn't used to be like that. Or that, at least, is how I recollect things.

It's always been like that. Hell, a chunk of Americans tuned out of WWII and we had the entire country on a war footing. That couldn't compete with the fact that wartime meant that many Americans finally had steady jobs and money in their pocket after more than a decade of the Great Depression.

It's not surprising that most of the country tuned out of Iraq and Afghanistan. For one thing, we've been fighting those conflicts nearly three times longer than we fought WWII. You simply can't keep the nation's attention on something for that long, especially when it's not exactly clear what we're actually trying to accomplish in Afghanistan outside of the vague idea of "fight terrorism" and Iraq is seen by many as an embarrassing and horrible mistake that was executed ineptly.

Would the wars have dragged on quite so long if American citizens actually realised what is being done in their name before it was too late? Of course there is no danger of that ever happening thanks to the insipid propaganda western society calls mainstream news, but there we go.