Summoner Wars Tournament (iOS)

Too much talking and not enough Summoning Warring.

Can I see acreenshot of the current battle? Sounds interesting!

I feel like Forceful Cheese and Gunner are holding up a lot of games, and are pretty incommunicado. Has anyone PM'd them?

Just talked to Gunner. They're almost done.

Yeah sorry about that. Still haven't heard from ForcefulCheese, but the game got started a couple of days ago and we are almost done. Think we have 4 HP left between the two of our summoners.

Hereafter wrote:

Too much talking and not enough Summoning Warring.

Can I see acreenshot of the current battle? Sounds interesting!

We have managed 19 rounds, but - as you say - there has also been plenty of posturing which flavours up the game nicely for us players. Current situation is http://i.imgur.com/JW8sM.jpg. So I have all those units out but too many just guarding my weakened Prince Elien against hasted and/or arching attacks and if it gets down to a head to head at the end then I am toast. Pacman is no doubt about to summon more grief and can chant life into Miti Mumway. It help some when I realised that he had no Chants of Deception left.

Meanwhile I look forward to more "colorful commentary" of your Neuroshima Hex game over at Pocket Tactics ...

The game is pretty much Rob's to lose at this point. I'll keep looking for an opening, but I'm not really expecting to get one.

You have no idea how much not having a Chant of Deception left was killing me for a while there. While you had that three unit stack (Malena, warrior, Elien) for a number of turns there was the chance for a great chant of deception move to kill you. Deploy archer and lioneer, chant of haste archer to outside lane, chant of deception lioneer to the archers spot, and go kill Elien. But I had to toss the chants of deception :(. I think I drew 6 or 7 chants in a row in the midgame, I had two turns in a row where all I had in my hand were chants (also one wall), and no units on the board to use them on! So I had to toss some to make room and chose the chants of deception.

You've handled the match very well, and will (almost certainly) be a deserving winner.

Pacman wrote:

You've handled the match very well, and will (almost certainly) be a deserving winner.

There's that Kiss Of Death again. It doesn't look so certain from this side, probably because whilst it's important to always be thinking "what could possibly go wrong? what will the situation be if I get bad die rolls?" a consequence (for me at least) is an emphasis on my opponent's strengths and my weaknesses. And, yes, it's really painful when you have to dump desired events. A typical SW game has many "coulda/shoulda/woulda been" moments and can be quite painful at times. Must be why we like it.

Anyway, it's been epic - whichever way it pans out. You clearly know your stuff and have made me work real hard.

PS: Got any more Gorillas up your sleeve? They can be a real pain ...

Gunner defeats ForcefulCheese in a close match.

Really a shame about that accidental Ice Shards at the end. Was definitely anyone's game before that. GG!

And Pacman wins. I completely forgot that the Chant Of Negation would stop my moving my Warrior to be by the wall to stop your Summoner hitting mine. A real anti-climax to lose by such stupidity but full congratulations to you for a well-timed move and great victory. Excellent play ... you never lost concentration.

Pacman wrote:

You've handled the match very well, and will (almost certainly) be a deserving winner.

Well now I feel bad, like I jinxed you

Pacman defeats robthomasson

So I am thinking you didn't realize the chant of negation meant you couldn't blaze step the warrior to block Abua's shot at Elien? If so, I feel your pain, as I totally lost a game to Hereafter the same way. Although I was sort of hoping you would do that...

And now I have to play Hereafter my personal Summoner Wars nemesis (all time record 2-15 against him).

Pacman wrote:

So I am thinking you didn't realize the chant of negation meant you couldn't blaze step the warrior to block Abua's shot at Elien? If so, I feel your pain, as I totally lost a game to Hereafter the same way. Although I was sort of hoping you would do that...

Yes, I was so focused on how to handle Miti Mumway without Spirit Of The Phoenix and keep him away from Prince Elien that when I thought, oh yeah - I can get Maelena on Miti if I protect Elien with the Blaze Stepped Warrior, I just blanked on that fact that I couldn't Blaze Step. I could have left Maelana in place and used the Warrior on Miti. But I didn't. So yes, feel bad for me, you jinxer. And apropos earlier exchanges, the card I was holding on for in mid-game was Holleas and in the end I had to burn Fire Beasts to get to her which reduced her usefulness.

Pacman wrote:

And now I have to play Hereafter my personal Summoner Wars nemesis (all time record 2-15 against him).

Good luck - to both of you of course!

Shall we play the same match (PE vs JE)? I'm really undecided.

Can you please give me a little time to decide?

Hereafter wrote:

Shall we play the same match (PE vs JE)? I'm really undecided.

Can you please give me a little time to decide?

If you guys can manage to eliminate one another (I don't care how, figure it out), I'd appreciate it.

Hereafter, I need time to decide myself so no worries there. I'm probably inclined against an elf matchup, they are too mentally draining :p

robthomasson, Miti is pretty distracting, that is pretty much what I was banking on. But at least now you probably won't forget that if it comes up again. This is why you need to lose some more games, you don't have enough experience yet in what not to do :p. (personally I find the painful losses in games to be the best learning aids)

Pacman wrote:

robthomasson, Miti is pretty distracting, that is pretty much what I was banking on. But at least now you probably won't forget that if it comes up again. This is why you need to lose some more games, you don't have enough experience yet in what not to do :p. (personally I find the painful losses in games to be the best learning aids)

Ah, the learning continues ... I look to be about to rack up another loss playing against FK. My opponent is a good player who had a good card draw and really stormed my JE stealing magic all sorts of ways so the only Champion I got out was Makienda Ru - and now she's gone. But I just got lucky pulling off two Gorilla Pummels - one on his Summoner (I think he was feeling complacent given his superior position), but even so he should still win. This is easily the best FK I have played against - they can really pour it on when the stars align for them.

Yeah, I feel they're really dependent on a good order of event cards. One poster I was reading actually recommended using the Owl familiar mercenary to adjust your draw order to help out that aligning of stars.

@Pacman, is the game for the tourney?

Yeah, although if you want to count it for the QT3 league also that is fine.

Pacman wrote:

Yeah, although if you want to count it for the QT3 league also that is fine.

No, no. There's too much pressure as is! I don't perform well under pressure...

Hereafter wrote:
Pacman wrote:

Yeah, although if you want to count it for the QT3 league also that is fine.

No, no. There's too much pressure as is! I don't perform well under pressure...

[Insert obligatory "that's what she said" joke here]

Dysplastic wrote:

Yeah, I feel they're really dependent on a good order of event cards. One poster I was reading actually recommended using the Owl familiar mercenary to adjust your draw order to help out that aligning of stars.

The card draw let him summon Elut-Bal and invoke Greater Rise on the first turn, then Magic Drain and another Greater Raise on the second turn, then another Magic Drain on the third turn. He added Anica and she was stealing magic from me before I got going. Skhull followed soon after. If you had had that draw in our game you would have buried me (and I wouldn't have had all that grief playing Pacman). My opponent wasn't as good as you and did not drive his advantage home but is still the probable winner. Nice (for him) that FK can get new Commons on the board with nothing left in hand or draw pile.

So as of tomorrow I'm internetless for a week, so won't be able to play. Fortunately I'm still waiting on another game to finish, so hopefully I won't hold up stuff for too long. Have fun!

May not be able to finish our game before tomorrow, Rob. Shame, because it's an interesting game. I'm having a hard time deciding on a Strategy - the usual goblin rush is hard to do when you're in a full-on defensive formation, and I didn't want to send my dudes in to get mowed down. Instead, I've been trying to do some tactical pushes/wall destruction using Sneaks, with limited success. The problem is that the goblin events are so dependent on rushing with zero-cost units, which would just feed your mana pile on the way over or get run over by Miti when he comes out. Still trying to figure out the best course of action - I think my main obstacle right now is still my disdain of building stuff for magic to cycle through my deck to get the events I need, something I'm only now starting to really appreciate.

hereafter def Pacman

Good game Pacman. Losing Krung was almost too much. I tried to discard everything I could've to draw faster but still couldn't beat you to him. I played the Orcs like I always did, slow timely pushes.

I don't know if the unfreezing would've made a difference but I made sure it would be costly. Vlox is too much of a headache and opens too many variables.

Honestly I was mentally prepared for the Dwarves! The Cloaks caught me off guard mentally big time.

congrats on the win Hereafter

I went Cloaks for a change of pace, Herafter went Tundra Orcs. Hereafter took the offensive, and kept Vlox pinned down with freezes. I tried to manage the high wire act of leaving him frozen, but didn't manage to pull it off. I would like to think things would have gone differently if not for some key bad dice rolls, but who knows how that would have changed things. I think I went 4 for 9 in attacks on Grognack. The double miss from Violet when attacking both Bragg and Grognack was especially painful. Also the scrapper miss on the second turn that meant I didn't get my cloak of shadowed scrapper in on Grognack. If nothing else, I did learn that ice shards ignore cloak of shadows, so that is something :p

Hereafter wrote:

Honestly I was mentally prepared for the Dwarves! The Cloaks caught me off guard mentally big time.

I felt like playing something different ;). I can see being caught "mentally off guard" was really bad for your play :p

The two walls coming in my last 6 cards hurt a lot too, that closed off a lot of options. If you had been able to get Krung out I think I would certainly have had no chance (not that i had mch of one as things were) he could have just bulled through my 1-2 attack units.

Pacman wrote:

congrats on the win Hereafter

I went Cloaks for a change of pace, Herafter went Tundra Orcs. Hereafter took the offensive, and kept Vlox pinned down with freezes. I tried to manage the high wire act of leaving him frozen, but didn't manage to pull it off. I would like to think things would have gone differently if not for some key bad dice rolls, but who knows how that would have changed things. I think I went 4 for 9 in attacks on Grognack. The double miss from Violet when attacking both Bragg and Grognack was especially painful. Also the scrapper miss on the second turn that meant I didn't get my cloak of shadowed scrapper in on Grognack. If nothing else, I did learn that ice shards ignore cloak of shadows, so that is something :p

Just a FYI, but Krung ignores Cloak of Shadows too with wild swing. If you attack a non cloaked unit and wild swing activates, it affected all cards around it. So it's good vs Baldur and Thwarters too.

Edit: I'm trying to avoid playing the same race over and over again. Next up for me is other the Dwarves or the Fallen Kingdom.

Pacman wrote:
Hereafter wrote:

Honestly I was mentally prepared for the Dwarves! The Cloaks caught me off guard mentally big time.

I felt like playing something different ;). I can see being caught "mentally off guard" was really bad for your play :p

The two walls coming in my last 6 cards hurt a lot too, that closed off a lot of options. If you had been able to get Krung out I think I would certainly have had no chance (not that i had mch of one as things were) he could have just bulled through my 1-2 attack units.

This may sound silly but I used to play in Chinese and Western Chess tournies and would play matches out to the end almost every turn after the inital opening moves.

I played a mock Dwarf vs Orc match in my head before I accepted the challenge. So when I saw the Cloaks I was flying with an overarching plan! I did get very lucky with having Bragg so early. It pretty much shut off everything in terms of offensive from the Cloaks.

If you play the Orcs, I recommend not doing 2 freezes right away and let it space out. Forces the opponent to make really tough choices. I should've freeze Vlox once but. I was really pushing for Krung.

Once again I wasn't paying attention and let myself get cornered, so once again I lost big time

Big congrats to Necro for winning

Also, here's what I messaged him to explain my last few moves:
IMAGE(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzaywwdqTC1qhgs46o1_500.jpg)

EDIT: Oh god, these games are all a blur! Necro had already kicked my ass, this was just a fun non-tourney game

In other news, ForcefulCheese you gonna set up our match?

Dysplastic wrote:

May not be able to finish our game before tomorrow, Rob. Shame, because it's an interesting game.

No worries, it will keep. And yes, it is interesting and I'm also not at all sure how it will develop, but there's the beauty and terror of SW.

Hereafter wrote:

Good game Pacman. Losing Krung was almost too much. I tried to discard everything I could've to draw faster but still couldn't beat you to him.

Took me a while to understand, but I guess what happened was that Pacman used Spy and discarded Krung. Spy is just so unnerving. But when you (Hereafter) used it against me you must have got a poor selection to choose from - for which I was grateful!

robthomasson wrote:
Dysplastic wrote:

May not be able to finish our game before tomorrow, Rob. Shame, because it's an interesting game.

No worries, it will keep. And yes, it is interesting and I'm also not at all sure how it will develop, but there's the beauty and terror of SW.

Hereafter wrote:

Good game Pacman. Losing Krung was almost too much. I tried to discard everything I could've to draw faster but still couldn't beat you to him.

Took me a while to understand, but I guess what happened was that Pacman used Spy and discarded Krung. Spy is just so unnerving. But when you (Hereafter) used it against me you must have got a poor selection to choose from - for which I was grateful!

Yes, sorry I should added more details in my posts! In our match up (if I remember correctly) I did not get any champs to dump. Mind you, I'm not very good with the Cloaks. It's the only faction that I use below 50% (30ish).

Also, the Cloaks have no true answer to Miti, Drake, and Krung. Pacman is right (as always) if I had Krung out, it would've been a tough battle.