NFL 2012 Week 2 Thread

Stele wrote:

Now the refs have no control.

The NFL needs to deal tomorrow, and get this sh*t fixed for Sunday.

You could see that coming a mile away. The players do not respect these refs in the slightest. It kind of makes you realize how much the normal refs do that you never really see.

LeapingGnome wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

Hypnotic in how completely f*cking awful that hit was? If that guy doesn't get a suspension for that, then the NFL is full of sh*t when it comes to getting rid of bad hits.

Why? Guy is running along, another guy blocks him from the front in his chest standing on his feet. He did not launch himself, it was not a defenseless player, it was not helmet to helmet, it was not a block in the back. What is the problem with this play? I thought it was a good physical block and the Cowboy player should have been paying more attention.

#1 - The Seahawks player leads with his head. Under what Goodell purports to believe in (I won't take that seriously while they continue to haggle with the actual officials) this would have been a sketchy hit if only because the player lowered his head.

#2 - The blocked player definitely looks defenseless. I know it wouldn't have looked as sweet, but there's a way to make that block and still spring the player without blind-siding him.

I keep reminding myself that we live in strange times. The NFL (and NCAA football) are literally at risk of death by a thousand cuts as evidence of damage of concussions piles up.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Stele wrote:

Now the refs have no control.

The NFL needs to deal tomorrow, and get this sh*t fixed for Sunday.

You could see that coming a mile away. The players do not respect these refs in the slightest. It kind of makes you realize how much the normal refs do that you never really see.

Yep. It's easy to hate officials, have the ones you dislike, etc. but they are still professionals. And it's clear that the players have some modicum of respect for the actual officials and no respect for the replacements. Possibly even because they're replacements (labor stuff, etc.).

I'm assuming there is more ugliness to come during this game, but I may fall asleep soon.

Amazing throw and catch on the run there.

Evidently the 49ers didn't complain loud enough when Smith got a forearm to the helmet when sliding yesterday.

Nice to know ESPN doesn't have to follow the NFL's rules of playing nice with the refs. Commentators are starting to seriously pile on them.

edit: and I dont think John Fox is following the tip either. He might choke a ref before the end of this.

LeapingGnome wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

Hypnotic in how completely f*cking awful that hit was? If that guy doesn't get a suspension for that, then the NFL is full of sh*t when it comes to getting rid of bad hits.

Why? Guy is running along, another guy blocks him from the front in his chest standing on his feet. He did not launch himself, it was not a defenseless player, it was not helmet to helmet, it was not a block in the back. What is the problem with this play? I thought it was a good physical block and the Cowboy player should have been paying more attention.

Yeah, I have no problem with this block. He comes up under the chin a bit, but it's not helmet-to-helmet at all. It's nothing like when Warren Sapp destroyed Chad Clifton a long ways away from the play; Lee was in pursuit right behind the ball carrier and was absolutely a legitimate target for the block.

Oh, and these refs tonight need to start kicking people out of the game before it gets completely out of hand.

McFinn wrote:

Evidently the 49ers didn't complain loud enough when Smith got a forearm to the helmet when sliding yesterday.

Yeah all you have to do is yell enough and the refs will throw a flag for what should have already been thrown.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Stele wrote:

Now the refs have no control.

The NFL needs to deal tomorrow, and get this sh*t fixed for Sunday.

You could see that coming a mile away. The players do not respect these refs in the slightest. It kind of makes you realize how much the normal refs do that you never really see.

I know it's not all about referees, but that old Billy Crystal movie Forget Paris is worth a watch. Some of the backtalk he gives to the NBA players is hilarious, and the back and forth they have.

I'm surprised no one got kicked out during that giant scrum where it looked like a punch was thrown. Would have helped, I think.

Edit: Forget Paris is awesome!

DSGamer wrote:

Yep. It's easy to hate officials, have the ones you dislike, etc. but they are still professionals. And it's clear that the players have some modicum of respect for the actual officials and no respect for the replacements. Possibly even because they're replacements (labor stuff, etc.).

And because they've shown a fairly large amount of ignorance about the actual rules of the game.

I can forgive all the defensive pass interference calls, because that's where one of the major differences is in the rules between NCAA and NFL play.

But for both weeks so far, we've seen the ref's not stop the clock after an incomplete pass in a game. That's pretty much unforgivable. Also, all these meetings after every. Single. Play. To. Figure. Out. Where. The. Ball. Should. Be. Is. Getting. Really. Annoying.

Also, it's worth pointing out that first half took 2 hours. I wonder when ESPN is going to run out of commercials.

And cue the Gruden taunting.

The Tate hit made the highlight reels, but those of you with NFL Rewind can see another awesome block where Robert Turbin levels DeMarcus Ware. It's in the second quarter with 3:08 left to play. Ware's pouty body language as he picks himself up says it all.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that block by Golden Tate.

He plants a hit right in Sean Lee's chest. There's a bit of a head duck before the hit, but it's not the helmet applying the force.

A linebacker in pursuit of a ball carrier is not a defenseless player, provided he is not taking a blow to the legs or head/neck, or from behind or the side. Tate is moving back towards his team's end line, which is part of the definition for a crackback block, but he clearly approaches Lee from Lee's front, and hits below the neck.

That said, the hit was definitely in the upper regions of the chest. Any higher and it would be a different discussion entirely.

Lee even said he was hit in the chest. C'est la vie.

pouty body language

This is my new phrase of the week... Thanks

This ref crap has got to end.

Just read Steve Sabol has died. His and his father's work are one of the things that made me love the NFL. Astoundingly sad.

Steve and Ed Sabol are permanent residents of my "hero" list.

Sad day for everyone, and especially a sad day for Ed, who is still alive and kicking at 94, and went into the Hall of Fame last year. Steve will be right behind him, though unfortunately won't get to see the day himself. The pride he had for his dad's acceptance into the Hall was palpable.

That's sad. Didn't realize he had brain cancer. He and his father have done a lot of good work.

I only saw the first half yesterday, but apart from my main man Von Miller being awesome and the refs sucking, the main thing I noticed was that the Atlanta DBs looked awesome. Are they really that dominant?

I don't know if Peyton Manning can throw the ball past the 10 yard line anymore. That's what I saw.

garion333 wrote:

I don't know if Peyton Manning can throw the ball past the 10 yard line anymore. That's what I saw.

Pretty much. The commentators were trying to give him props for a hard throw zipped into coverage. All I saw was a hard throw that took a full pitchers swing to unload. He needed acres of space to unload it and even then the secondary had plenty of time to react.

He didn't look that way in week 1, but there's a big difference between playing one game while well-rested, and having an arm that goes 16+ games on a week-to-week basis.

Having that endurance start to look shaky in week 2 isn't a great sign.

*Legion* wrote:

Steve and Ed Sabol are permanent residents of my "hero" list.

Yep. I recorded the Ed Sabol documentary that NFL network was running and I watch it from time to time. I still get a few manly tears of manliness at the end when we see Ed's been selected to the HoF.
Sad day.

I figured Peyton would have some trouble in week 2, it's just hard to get back in the grind after a year off, especially for an old guy like he is no matter how smart or how hard he has been working. I reckon he will get back in the groove around week 5. If he is still looking shaky after that, stick a fork in him, he's pretty much done.

I'm fairly pleased with the $70 season pass of NFL Game Rewind.. its a great way to watch all the games in condensed form during the week. My one beef is currently the coaches film is delayed until Wed. at 12pm EST.. and its buggy as all hell.. trying to jump around the game to specific plays frequently lands you in the middle of the play with no way to rewind back to the start.. the rewind just takes you back to the point the jump ahead dumped you in.. Then the replay starts going all over the place after that.. I sent them an email bug report so we'll see.

No week 3 yet?

Stele wrote:

No week 3 yet? :?

it starts tomorrow night

Maybe Legion watched the Jags replay and just decided to give up on life and break out the sweatpants

TheGameguru wrote:

Maybe Legion watched the Jags replay and just decided to give up on life and break out the sweatpants

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Time to put out the search for Rat Boy again...

And I guess Thur's game won't be one of the picks.

It's like... 9 hours to kickoff...

And Tate got fined $21k for that legal block dirty hit last night.