Pastor rapes multiple women, isn't found guilty of rape.

The article, and some background one of my friends wrote about the situation.

This is the town I grew up in, and where I am currently living, so it was interesting to watch this unravel. Also a little surreal since I know a lot of the people involved.

I read the article. I can't understand how the jury could not convict him of rape. Am I missing something?

Nomad wrote:

I read the article. I can't understand how the jury could not convict him of rape. Am I missing something?

Jury of one's peers.

I hope his cellmate tells him "no one will believe you. Everyone will think you're crazy".

Paleocon wrote:

I hope his cellmate tells him "no one will believe you. Everyone will think you're crazy".

Oh...I hadn't thought of that. There's your justice for you, I suppose.

I kinda feel like we need a whole topic about how prison rape isn't justice.

....but in this case, I admit that I would not feel much pity if a piano fell on Edouard. And I know his defense team was doing its job, but I wouldn't mind some pianos for them, either. What a callous and unremorseful defense. "I wasn't a pastor/counselor, I was looking for some tail."

Nomad wrote:

I read the article. I can't understand how the jury could not convict him of rape. Am I missing something?

We've just had pages of discussion in the Conservative War on Women thread about the whole Akin "legitimate rape" comment which is based on the idea a large swath of the population has (and one that's codified in many state laws) that it's only rape if it was a "forcible" rape, meaning the woman has to be physically assaulted in addition to the sexual assault and that she has to actively resist the rape. Failure to do that somehow means that the woman secretly wanted it, so it's not really rape.

Nomad wrote:

I read the article. I can't understand how the jury could not convict him of rape. Am I missing something?

The ability for folks to ignore evidence which contradicts their pre-determined worldview always amazes me, too.

[Edit: semi-Tannhauser'd by OG]

They convicted him of sexual exploitation, so the jury disregarded the "I wasn't acting as a pastor in that moment" defense.

From what the local coverage seems to say, he was having ongoing affairs with four women, three of whom said that only the first encounter was rape. If I have this wrong, please let me know, because the coverage is kind of spotty or oddly written, such as here:

Assistant Iowa Attorney General Laura Roan said Edouard’s pursuit of vulnerable women in his congregation stretched from 2006, when he pushed a Des Moines lawyer to the floor of his basement study after she sought advice over infertility issues and what motherhood might mean for her career, to 2010, when the woman’s brother-in-law came home early one day. Edouard’s van was in the man’s driveway, Roan said, and the man’s wife – the lawyer’s sister-in-law – was buttoning her blouse....

In both those instances and two others, Edouard used a combination of flattery and concern over the women’s personal problems to lure the women in, Roan said. Each woman then was told that they were obligated to keep the relationship secret for the good of their families, Edouard’s wife and the church. Most soon found themselves in long-term illicit affairs.

It's a tough sell to jurors to convict a man of rape if there was a subsequent consensual sexual relationship with the victim. At a minimum, jurors are likely to see a sliver of doubt about whether there was an absence of consent, and a sliver is all you need under our system.

Seth wrote:

I kinda feel like we need a whole topic about how prison rape isn't justice.

You know, I shouldn't have said justice at all. It's entirely too loaded.

Seth wrote:

I kinda feel like we need a whole topic about how prison rape isn't justice.

....but in this case, I admit that I would not feel much pity if a piano fell on Edouard. And I know his defense team was doing its job, but I wouldn't mind some pianos for them, either. What a callous and unremorseful defense. "I wasn't a pastor/counselor, I was looking for some tail."

I agree with you on both points.

Seth wrote:

I kinda feel like we need a whole topic about how prison rape isn't justice.

....but in this case, I admit that I would not feel much pity if a piano fell on Edouard. And I know his defense team was doing its job, but I wouldn't mind some pianos for them, either. What a callous and unremorseful defense. "I wasn't a pastor/counselor, I was looking for some tail."

This.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder, anyone?

Seth wrote:

I kinda feel like we need a whole topic about how prison rape isn't justice.

I've got to ask, how often does prison rape actually happen? I'm sure it happens, but I sometimes get the feeling that we only think it's ubiquitous, constant and unavoidable because that's what movies tell us.

In 2007, 4.5% of state and Federal prisoners reported sexual victimization in the course of the year.

Robear wrote:

In 2007, 4.5% of state and Federal prisoners reported sexual victimization in the course of the year.

Even though it was an anonymous survey, I still think a portion of those people didn't say anything.

My thought too, Garion.

garion333 wrote:
Robear wrote:

In 2007, 4.5% of state and Federal prisoners reported sexual victimization in the course of the year.

Even though it was an anonymous survey, I still think a portion of those people didn't say anything.

Probably because their pastor told them that no one would believe them.

Frankly, even the reported rate of 1 in 22 is pretty awful.

I have to admit I'm pretty ignorant about how the prison system works, but I can't grasp this one. Don't we watch people we put in prison? Normally I'd say you can't watch people 24/7, but I admit I might have assumed we at least try to in the case of potentially dangerous folks we've locked in a concrete box together.