Planetary Annihilation by UberEnt

huh, interesting. This was totally off my radar until now, and it was the $90 price tag that made me go 'Bwahh??". Glad it did though, so now I'm interested in what it'll be like at $60.

They had to keep it that way. If they let people into the alpha now for 30 bucks a lot of kick starters would be pissed.

I read an interesting way of looking at it, it's a disincentive, possibly partially intentionally. Many people look at preordering or the early access stuff as a way to get a discount, they're not interested in actual testing, they want the game (and this is not the finished game, it's a ropey alpha, not even feature complete AFAIK) early, and they want it cheap. This price makes sure you're damn serious about what you're buying into, as well as being equal with the kickstarter.

In the world of PC games where there's a small industrial effort devoted to broadcasting deals the second they appear, this seems wise.

Scratched wrote:

This price makes sure you're damn serious about what you're buying into, as well as being equal with the kickstarter.

In the world of PC games where there's a small industrial effort devoted to broadcasting deals the second they appear, this seems wise.

While you're free to interpret it that way, I'd wager that the only reason the early access price is $90 is so they don't betray all the backers that pledged $90 or more. If the alpha access price had been $50, I'm sure the Steam early access price would also be $50, and not a dollar more.

MeatMan wrote:

While you're free to interpret it that way, I'd wager that the only reason the early access price is $90 is so they don't betray all the backers that pledged $90 or more. If the alpha access price had been $50, I'm sure the Steam early access price would also be $50, and not a dollar more.

Yup, that's essentially what they wrote on the Steam page:

Our pricing for this stage of early access was determined by our Kickstarter. The stages of our early access for ALL users, which was determined during our Kickstarter
MeatMan wrote:
Scratched wrote:

This price makes sure you're damn serious about what you're buying into, as well as being equal with the kickstarter.

In the world of PC games where there's a small industrial effort devoted to broadcasting deals the second they appear, this seems wise.

While you're free to interpret it that way, I'd wager that the only reason the early access price is $90 is so they don't betray all the backers that pledged $90 or more. If the alpha access price had been $50, I'm sure the Steam early access price would also be $50, and not a dollar more.

All I know is that when I saw it pop up in Steam, the first thing I thought was "$90? There's a game I'm never going to buy."

I'm not sure that setting the price at $90 is going to help them in the long run. The Kickstarter backers really wanted the game, gambled, and got what they wanted. Now that the game is a reality, the company should think about not alienating the rest of the market by charging nearly a Benjamin for a game.

Early access price ≠ final version price

MeatMan wrote:

Early access price ≠ final version price

I understand that.

It's also exactly opposite of what every other developer is doing with early access and a tremendously bad business decision. I don't care what the Kickstarter backers paid. They paid a lot because they *really* wanted the game. Now that it's being developed and coming to market, it should be priced according to what the broader market will bear, not according to what superfans paid.

By pricing it so shockingly high they have alienated a lot of potential customers. What the final version price will be doesn't matter because a lot of people will have already mentally classified the game as too expensive and something to be ignored.

OG_slinger wrote:

It's also exactly opposite of what every other developer is doing with early access and a tremendously bad business decision. I don't care what the Kickstarter backers paid. They paid a lot because they *really* wanted the game. Now that it's being developed and coming to market, it should be priced according to what the broader market will bear, not according to what superfans paid.

Aren't "superfans" going to be the ones who are interested in Alpha and Beta builds? Really not sure there's a huge distinction between KS backers who paid for alpha access and the people who are just finding out about it now who want alpha access.

shoptroll wrote:

Aren't "superfans" going to be the ones who are interested in Alpha and Beta builds?

Nope. I bought Minecraft when it was Alpha because it looked interesting and it was like ten bucks. I did the with Prison Architect, Towns!, Timber and Stone, Kerbal Space Program, and many other games.

A casual perusal of Planetary Annihilation's Steam forum shows that many people will never buy the game because of the ridiculously high pricing of the Alpha.

OG_slinger wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

Aren't "superfans" going to be the ones who are interested in Alpha and Beta builds?

Nope. I bought Minecraft when it was Alpha because it looked interesting and it was like ten bucks. I did the with Prison Architect, Towns!, Timber and Stone, Kerbal Space Program, and many other games.

A casual perusal of Planetary Annihilation's Steam forum shows that many people will never buy the game because of the ridiculously high pricing of the Alpha.

I really, really doubt that the when this game hits a sale for $15 people are going to be thinking "Stupid ridiculously overpriced $90 game, I hates it I hates it I hates it."

Yonder wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

Aren't "superfans" going to be the ones who are interested in Alpha and Beta builds?

Nope. I bought Minecraft when it was Alpha because it looked interesting and it was like ten bucks. I did the with Prison Architect, Towns!, Timber and Stone, Kerbal Space Program, and many other games.

A casual perusal of Planetary Annihilation's Steam forum shows that many people will never buy the game because of the ridiculously high pricing of the Alpha.

I really, really doubt that the when this game hits a sale for $15 people are going to be thinking "Stupid ridiculously overpriced $90 game, I hates it I hates it I hates it."

I can't help thinking this ties into the whole deal-seeking/pile-building behaviour rather than because they want to fund Uber to make the game. What I think would be good if if they offered a pre-order ($20 matching the kickstarter, or close) for the finished thing in addition to the alpha access, or $40 for the beta when it hits that stage.

Yonder wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

Aren't "superfans" going to be the ones who are interested in Alpha and Beta builds?

Nope. I bought Minecraft when it was Alpha because it looked interesting and it was like ten bucks. I did the with Prison Architect, Towns!, Timber and Stone, Kerbal Space Program, and many other games.

A casual perusal of Planetary Annihilation's Steam forum shows that many people will never buy the game because of the ridiculously high pricing of the Alpha.

I really, really doubt that the when this game hits a sale for $15 people are going to be thinking "Stupid ridiculously overpriced $90 game, I hates it I hates it I hates it."

This. I have no desire to peruse steam forums, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people complaining about the $90 early access price are ignorant to the reason it is $90. If the finished game is good and has a reasonable price ($25 - $30), I suspect some of those people will buy it if they're truly interested in the game. And even more of them will likely buy it the first time it gets a significant discount during a steam sale.

Scratched wrote:

What I think would be good if if they offered a pre-order ($20 matching the kickstarter, or close) for the finished thing in addition to the alpha access, or $40 for the beta when it hits that stage.

You just summarized the Kickstarter tiers:

$20 - Game at launch
$40 - Beta access, Soundtrack, Game at launch
$90 - Alpha access, beta access, soundtrack, game at launch

What they're doing isn't that out of the ordinary. Double Fine is asking $30 for beta access to Broken Age despite backers were able to get just the game for $15 via kickstarter. And in fact backers got beta access at $15.

If you want to jump the line and get your hands on a game early (and I guess pay for the privilege of watching sausage being made), there's precedents (like nearly every kickstarter ever) to this behavior.

Seriously, are people really up in arms about paying $90 for an alpha copy of a game that isn't optimized nor feature complete? Now that's entitlement. If you just want to throw armies of mechs at each other go get Supreme Commander or Total Annihilation for less than $20. Planetary Annihilation isn't ready for prime time yet, and the $90 is a way of gating the riff-raff who are going to buy in, see it won't run well and trash it in the forums or blogosphere.

Yeah, that's where I got the numbers from. Right now, only having the $90 number on steam is a negative for them, having other options might help.

Scratched wrote:

Yeah, that's where I got the numbers from. Right now, only having the $90 number on steam is a negative for them, having other options might help.

Steam probably doesn't support what you're suggesting. Once they hit Beta they'll probably drop the price to $40.

Planetary Annihilation lore if you're interested in that kind of thing in an RTS.

MeatMan wrote:

Planetary Annihilation lore if you're interested in that kind of thing in an RTS.

I read some of that last night. A little on the meta side given TA and SupCom were both abandoned for various reasons.

Ohmwrecker on twitch is going to be streaming some Planetary Annihilation Beta in a couple minutes. Check it out here.

Nevermind. He wasn't able to get his streaming to work properly with it.

Tkyl wrote:

Ohmwrecker on twitch is going to be streaming some Planetary Annihilation Beta in a couple minutes. Check it out here.

Nevermind. He wasn't able to get his streaming to work properly with it.

Boo

This game has come a long way in a relatively short amount of time. Uber did a stream today where they played a full game. It's not a super exciting game but it's interesting to see how much things have smoothed out and just how far they've come since the alpha started.

It's not without its issues, but I'm getting pretty excited.

The VOD of the stream from today:

I can't wait! I didn't go for early access on this Kickstarter because I wanted to experience the finished, polished product that I know this team is going to produce. Their videos are enough to see that it's coming along great.

It's down to $40 on the Humble sale site. Is it worth getting in yet, or should I just wait for release?

Based on what I've been reading, the AI isn't quite there yet, though they are making progress with it.

The release version will also be cheaper I believe, and is expected to happen sometime in December.

shoptroll wrote:

The release version will also be cheaper I believe, and is expected to happen sometime in December.

Their web site says it will be $40 at release. Hell, I don't know if I should even get it then or just wait until it is $20 during the Steam summer sale.

EDIT: Meh, it's up to $49.99 now. I'll wait it out until (at least) release.

PWAlessi wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

The release version will also be cheaper I believe, and is expected to happen sometime in December.

Their web site says it will be $40 at release. Hell, I don't know if I should even get it then or just wait until it is $20 during the Steam summer sale.

Odd. Backers could get the release version for $20. I must've missed the memo.

shoptroll wrote:
PWAlessi wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

The release version will also be cheaper I believe, and is expected to happen sometime in December.

Their web site says it will be $40 at release. Hell, I don't know if I should even get it then or just wait until it is $20 during the Steam summer sale.

Odd. Backers could get the release version for $20. I must've missed the memo.

Or even $15 if you backed early enough, like me.

MeatMan wrote:
shoptroll wrote:
PWAlessi wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

The release version will also be cheaper I believe, and is expected to happen sometime in December.

Their web site says it will be $40 at release. Hell, I don't know if I should even get it then or just wait until it is $20 during the Steam summer sale.

Odd. Backers could get the release version for $20. I must've missed the memo.

Or even $15 if you backed early enough, like me. :)

Nice. I've just assumed that the KS tier prices matched the non-KS prices. That's what they've been doing throughout the alpha and beta periods. I know many projects give the KS backers a slight discount off the retail version but I don't think I've seen a 50% discount like that yet.

Is anyone playing? If it drops to $40 again during the current Steam sale, I might just have to jump on it. I've watched some 'let's plays' and it looks really cool.