Red Dawn - trailer

I thought that this was canceled, but it seems they finally finished it.

Looks bad, but in a good way.

I think it just looks bad. I thought that was a commercial for a network TV show.

It wasn't that they cancelled it, they finished it and then didn't have the money to distribute it for a couple of years (same thing happened with Cabin in the Woods). MGM's gradual emergence from bankruptcy combined with Chris Hemsworth's new-found notoriety meant that they decided to touch it up a little before release, only by 'touch it up' I mean 'change the invading power from China to North Korea because they didn't want to lose the Chinese market and nobody in America can tell the difference between the two anyway'.

Looks bad bad to me. Could be good bad if I were drinking.

The alarmist horsesh*t in that trailer actually makes me furious.

Damn it all. I read the title as Red Dwarf.

Issues what I have:

1. WTF does CENTCOM have to do with anything in the US? Nothing. Jack-all nothing.
2. DPRK can't even build a proper IRBM. How in the hell did they develop an EMP weapon of any sort?
3. Assuming they could detonate an EMP weapon in such a manner to disable the US military infrastructure, how in the hell did they manage to force all their conscripts to follow through with the plan, and run over the US?

*hurk* Just awful.

AnimeJ wrote:
Issues what I have:

1. WTF does CENTCOM have to do with anything in the US? Nothing. Jack-all nothing.
2. DPRK can't even build a proper IRBM. How in the hell did they develop an EMP weapon of any sort?
3. Assuming they could detonate an EMP weapon in such a manner to disable the US military infrastructure, how in the hell did they manage to force all their conscripts to follow through with the plan, and run over the US?

*hurk* Just awful.

Considering that the original was the USSR managing to sneak its way past the US Navy then the Coast Guard and Air Force to invade the middle of America (because of its strategic importance)... yeah, Im not expecting much.

It looked like they tried to recreate most of the "best" scenes from the original.

In fairness, I never watched the original.

Ego Man wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
Issues what I have:

1. WTF does CENTCOM have to do with anything in the US? Nothing. Jack-all nothing.
2. DPRK can't even build a proper IRBM. How in the hell did they develop an EMP weapon of any sort?
3. Assuming they could detonate an EMP weapon in such a manner to disable the US military infrastructure, how in the hell did they manage to force all their conscripts to follow through with the plan, and run over the US?

*hurk* Just awful.

Considering that the original was the USSR managing to sneak its way past the US Navy then the Coast Guard and Air Force to invade the middle of America (because of its strategic importance)... yeah, Im not expecting much.

It looked like they tried to recreate most of the "best" scenes from the original.

The original was advocating "the domino effect". So all the rest of the world had fallen to Communism, and only the US remained (it's not clear what was going on with Canada). So the planes came from Cuba, and the ground forces up through Mexico. It was a really goofy movie, but it was also channeling a lot of weird conservative boogiemen of the time.

I just can't get past the whole "North Korea takes over the world" thing. They couldn't get out of their own way long enough to invade a taco stand, let alone the whole world.

I know it's just Hollywood, but come on...

Needs more Swayze.

Yeah. Because I can totally see a country with 24 million people that doesn't have enough fuel to keep the lights on staging the most audacious amphibious landing in human history against a country 6000 miles of water away.

Nicholaas wrote:
I just can't get past the whole "North Korea takes over the world" thing. They couldn't get out of their own way long enough to invade a taco stand, let alone the whole world.

I know it's just Hollywood, but come on...

Hilariously, it actually makes more sense than China. China doesn't want to invade us; we're their best customer! Also, we're giant pains in the butt and decidedly not Chinese. North Korea would at least harbor insane aspirations.

I don't get why they didn't just make it a retro remake. Anyone who's at all interested in this movie remembers the 80's. You're not alienating anyone.

AnimeJ wrote:
Issues what I have:

1. WTF does CENTCOM have to do with anything in the US? Nothing. Jack-all nothing.
2. DPRK can't even build a proper IRBM. How in the hell did they develop an EMP weapon of any sort?
3. Assuming they could detonate an EMP weapon in such a manner to disable the US military infrastructure, how in the hell did they manage to force all their conscripts to follow through with the plan, and run over the US?

*hurk* Just awful.

1. I think the whole CENTCOM thing comes from hearing so much about it in the news talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.

2. I am right there with you. They can't even feed their country let alone build a ballistic missile capable of reaching the US with an EMP payload.

3. You have another good point. But to add to it, with the population they have and if they could scrape every able body and have enough transports to get them here, the US is the #1 country in gun ownership with an avg of 2+ weapons per household. Add the weapons to our population base and yeah they might get a toe hold but not for any significant amount of time to even be note worthy.

I really do not know what to make of this movie. I might see it just to see how bad it really is.

Nicholaas wrote:
I just can't get past the whole "North Korea takes over the world" thing. They couldn't get out of their own way long enough to invade a taco stand, let alone the whole world.

I know it's just Hollywood, but come on...

This kills the movie for me right here, without even having looked at the trailer. Same thing happened with Homefront.... even assuming magic weapons, there's just not enough people in the country to make this remotely plausible. Scotland occupying the U.K. would be more plausible. I mean, North Korea would be doing good to hold LA, much less a whole continent. (And if they did hold LA, the occupation would be focused mostly on Koreatown noraebangs.)

In a world where content producers are afraid to make China the bad guy because they're a receptive, profitable market, it's probably time to retire the "U.S vs occupying nation" plot outline. Cold War is over man. Big hostile armies don't really exist anymore.

How, exactly, are they supposed to get the planes, fuel, and heavy equipment across 6000 miles of ocean patrolled by no less than 25 Los Angeles class submarines, the Third and Seventh Fleets with their half dozen or so nuclear aircraft carriers and several dozen guided missile cruisers, and whatever considerable armed force (larger than North Korea's btw) that the "peaceful" nation of Japan can muster?

Unless North Korea can somehow manage to invent both a cloning device for genetically altered super soldiers AND a Star Trek transporter, the basic premise of this movie makes about as much sense as our being successfully invaded by Algeria.

They remade Red Dawn? I can't imagine it will be good. Half the reason the original was so great is because it was made during the tail end of the Cold War. That and because it had a pretty screwed up ending.

Paleocon wrote:
How, exactly, are they supposed to get the planes, fuel, and heavy equipment across 6000 miles of ocean patrolled by no less than 25 Los Angeles class submarines, the Third and Seventh Fleets with their half dozen or so nuclear aircraft carriers and several dozen guided missile cruisers, and whatever considerable armed force (larger than North Korea's btw) that the "peaceful" nation of Japan can muster?

Unless North Korea can somehow manage to invent both a cloning device for genetically altered super soldiers AND a Star Trek transporter, the basic premise of this movie makes about as much sense as our being successfully invaded by Algeria.

Actually, if you count in all the conscripts, DPRK has the 4th or 5th largest standing army in the world.

At least we have the Australian version.

It's no more unrealistic than the premise of most crime thrillers. It's not supposed to be a simulation, it's supposed to push buttons.

Staats wrote:
In a world where content producers are afraid to make China the bad guy because they're a receptive, profitable market, it's probably time to retire the "U.S vs occupying nation" plot outline. Cold War is over man. Big hostile armies don't really exist anymore.

This. I'm okay with it being ludicrously ridiculous, so is the most recent Bourne movie. But this particular trope is tired, and this is an exceptionally tired imagining of a tired trope.

It's going to have a $50M+ opening weekend though, book it.

Yeah wow guys, talk about over thinking the brainless action film!

Oh and Tomorrow When the War Began was a bit of a guilty pleasure, I enjoyed it but it's hardly world class cinema... it's based on a very popular young adult book series here in Australia, although I don't think the movie did well enough to get a sequel green lit, so it's sort of tails off into a sequel hook to nowhere.

AnimeJ wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
How, exactly, are they supposed to get the planes, fuel, and heavy equipment across 6000 miles of ocean patrolled by no less than 25 Los Angeles class submarines, the Third and Seventh Fleets with their half dozen or so nuclear aircraft carriers and several dozen guided missile cruisers, and whatever considerable armed force (larger than North Korea's btw) that the "peaceful" nation of Japan can muster?

Unless North Korea can somehow manage to invent both a cloning device for genetically altered super soldiers AND a Star Trek transporter, the basic premise of this movie makes about as much sense as our being successfully invaded by Algeria.

Actually, if you count in all the conscripts, DPRK has the 4th or 5th largest standing army in the world.

And they'd still have to get into boats.

Paleocon wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
How, exactly, are they supposed to get the planes, fuel, and heavy equipment across 6000 miles of ocean patrolled by no less than 25 Los Angeles class submarines, the Third and Seventh Fleets with their half dozen or so nuclear aircraft carriers and several dozen guided missile cruisers, and whatever considerable armed force (larger than North Korea's btw) that the "peaceful" nation of Japan can muster?

Unless North Korea can somehow manage to invent both a cloning device for genetically altered super soldiers AND a Star Trek transporter, the basic premise of this movie makes about as much sense as our being successfully invaded by Algeria.

Actually, if you count in all the conscripts, DPRK has the 4th or 5th largest standing army in the world.

And they'd still have to get into boats.

Human rafts.