GWJ bugs, feature requests, and updates

Amoebic wrote:

The structure of the site is so old that we would have to rebuild it entirely from scratch to have a dark/light mode toggle. This is actually a huge undertaking! I truly wish it wasn't, as I prefer dark mode.

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Either of these options would require hiring additional folks and paying them to build, maintain, and improve the site in ways we would have to budget for.

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Have you ever looked under the hood of an old car someone has managed to keep running well past it's expiry date, and seen the inventive and creative ways they've patchworked things together, patch-on-patch-on-patch to keep it running? It's very that.

As someone that’s worked inside the codebase to add a feature (years ago), it is no small task to make even the tiniest step in a new direction. Case in point: emoji support. They work fine in previews, but primarily due to database encoding (of a near 20 year old database), that’s not an easy thing to “turn on”. Preview a post reply with an emoji, and it works fine. Actually post it, it goes IMAGE( https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/softbank/145/collision-symbol_1f4a5.png). So I learned a workaround (Emojipedia with a scaled img tag)

Amoebic wrote:

My biggest concern is that a lot of folks already don't like me, don't like where I'm taking the site and the show, or don't like change or new things in general. There's a reason so many folks stuck around an entity that remained mostly unchanged for 18+ years, so introducing new changes is always fraught with a decent amount of abandonment, backlash and lamentation.

I don't fault people for that; I knew that coming in, and I understand why that is. I was brought in because the higher-ups needed and wanted the change, but that doesn't mean the community or audiences will be happy with it. The review bombing, content reporting, rude emails/pms, and hurtful comments on show threads has thankfully slowed down, however any new changes to show, site, or function always brings a few more out of the fold and I've reached a point in the global panini that I'm...extremely hesitant to strive towards bold changes and err on the side of caution.

First, I love you. IMAGE(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/samsung/265/sparkling-heart_1f496.png)

Second, I returned because of a few reasons, one of which was a change of my own mindset. I had left because of the jadedness that can be seen in a lot of places. Now, I’m better able to freely be myself and know when to just nope out of certain situations. It’s been a difficult journey in life, but here we are.

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Third, I commend you on you taking on the responsibility that was going to see backlash. The transition happened while I was away, so I can’t speak to community response. I can say, however, that you are a good human being, you deserve to be treated with respect, and you don’t take these decisions lightly; you know the boundaries that aren’t worth crossing. Some decisions just aren’t worth the effort (emotionally, physically, or mentally).

Amoebic wrote:

I know it doesn't seem like a major change on the surface, and seems like a simple request. There's an incredible amount of unseen work, restructuring of finances, and calculating of risks that needs to go into any kind of major structural change, and I need to sit down with a few key folks to really discuss the feasibility of that. I appreciate the kick in the pants towards this direction.

This site is pushing two decades, if I’m reading it correctly. It’s not going away tomorrow and can sit in the state that it’s in and still see extensive use for the next decade.

Does it have all the hotness of a new app? No. Does it need it? That’s why we’re having this discussion.

Sure, it would be nice to have, but as a longtime member, I’ve come to accept the everyday usage with the sharp edges. For newer members, that can mean a learning curve, and that’s where the “future of the site” becomes a discussion (one I’m not privy to, nor do I desire to be).

Personally, I wouldn’t be against “big, sweeping changes”. However, you might have noticed, I’m far from the norm. Also, there’s just the small risk of losing support for the database content (some of which is now voting age). Nothing to be scared about. Nope. No worries there. IMAGE(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/whatsapp/273/worried-face_1f61f.png)

Unless the mods have been running rampant deleting posts, I never saw much controversy, at least here. But I've never been a podcast listener, and I imagine the fans there would probably have been taken aback by the staffing changes. I see plenty of gripes in that one thread about Giant Bomb, so I imagine there must be some equivalent somewhere for the GWJ podcast. I haven't seen it, though.

I will say that I think the rules enforcement is better now. For a long time, over in the D&D forum we had a few polite, reasonable conservatives, who kept setting off the pile-on brigade, often behaving really horribly, and it was usually the conservatives that got blamed for behavior that wasn't theirs. Most of them got chased away because a bunch of the regulars here just couldn't stay reasonable.

There aren't many conservatives left here (maybe one or two on the fringes), but at least the rules are being enforced on the left side of the fence, too. Certis tended to support whoever he agreed with, no matter how badly they were behaving, and the current team doesn't seem to do that anymore.

So that, at least, is a big improvement.

Theres def overlap, but not completely, between fans of the site, fans of the community, and fans of the show. The ones that give the most grief tend not to be here, or at least not anymore.

The more I look into it and the more we discuss, the greater the likely good we'll stay in Drupal but with a newer version and some upgraded ux sensibility. I want many of the things under the hood to remain constant, but make it fashion.

(nothing flashy, I don't like gaudy. Sleek and modern,hopefully. Someday.)

Malor wrote:

I will say that I think the rules enforcement is better now. For a long time, over in the D&D forum we had a few polite, reasonable conservatives, who kept setting off the pile-on brigade, often behaving really horribly, and it was usually the conservatives that got blamed for behavior that wasn't theirs. Most of them got chased away because a bunch of the regulars here just couldn't stay reasonable.

There aren't many conservatives left here (maybe one or two on the fringes), but at least the rules are being enforced on the left side of the fence, too. Certis tended to support whoever he agreed with, no matter how badly they were behaving, and the current team doesn't seem to do that anymore.

So that, at least, is a big improvement.

In not sure why you're bringing this revisionist narrative you've constructed to the tech thread, but I'll bite anyway.

Consistency is important in trust building. For everyone. It let's people know where that stand with you. We all try our best, but each and every situation and person is unique and not everything is always going to line up 1:1.

As to the reasonable polite Conservatives VS unreasonable others behaving really horribly, most of those sealions were either asked to leave directly, banned, or shunned by the community itself to the point of taking a hint, reading the room, and leaving on their own because some of their beliefs and line-skirting behavior is transparent baiting and we can see it for what it is. No one here is new to the internet.

Those few conservatives drove away many, many, many people who don't fit into the conservative ideal but who also were a diverse subset of our community. It has been noted multiple conversations where those folks have clearly stated that is why they left as well. A lot of those leftist people behaved "really horribly" because, and I'm being very intentional when I say this, our humanity, credibility, legitimacy and even voices were ignored or challenged as thought exercises. And, when upset about that, were then asked to be not be so mean or emotional about challenging the dehumanizating elements of these armchair debates. For the entertainment for some Internet keyboard warriors.

That is gross. This space grew up in the edgy internet debate era of the aughts, so some of that is still entrenched in the culture here.

Communities grow and change. People change. This space is one that has grown more left and I don't see that changing at all. If that continues to make us sjw hugbox trash, I'm okay with that.

We really need an updated GWJ User Guide. I don’t know who’s in charge of it, but it was last updated in 2015.

Amanda Knowlton - They'll run this town some day.

Whatever changes may happen in the future, I only ask that the login expired message be made more friendly.

YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO VIEW THIS makes me feel like a criminal.

And if anyone is thinking of responding "well, if the shoe fits..." I got your shoe right here!

BadKen wrote:

Whatever changes may happen in the future, I only ask that the login expired message be made more friendly.

YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO VIEW THIS makes me feel like a criminal.

And if anyone is thinking of responding "well, if the shoe fits..." I got your shoe right here!

Why did you steal my shoe, you damn criminal!

BadKen wrote:

Whatever changes may happen in the future, I only ask that the login expired message be made more friendly.

YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO VIEW THIS makes me feel like a criminal.

And if anyone is thinking of responding "well, if the shoe fits..." I got your shoe right here!

I think it should just display this:

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So we don't usuall delete user accounts, but disable them. This prevents users for creating multiple accounts with the same username and/or email. We can manually delete threads or posts one by one (which is what we do for spammers). Not feasible for accounts with a long and scattershot posting history. Trying to whole cloth delete an account and remove all their comments breaks threads.

At the request of a user, we have the ability to block user-side access to an account. Their accounts still exists as well as username and comment searchability. Turns out trying to assign any accounts to the 'anonymous' designation to unlink the comments for that user without breaking every thread they've ever commented in revives any thread that that account has ever created and moves it to the 'recent content' status as there's been a recent change to the content or comment author. Yay. Total opposite of what I was trying to do.

Apologies for this, I wasn't aware that would happen. Sorry if everyone's "recent content" is a little mucked up at the moment!

All recent looks weird. My recent looks ok, but guess I'm just lucky there.

I dream of a day that we can unhook a thread from that in the user's "recent activity". But that's minor use and I assume MAJOR backend changes.

I was listenering to another podcast that a listener wrote in about how they were looking for a new podcast after the recent changes to GJW. The host of that podcast (who did not knock on GJW or know of it) just welcomed them in, but it reminded me how even though I've been listening to GJW and that podcasters stuff for 10+ years, I've found so little overlap in the audiences. It still surprises me how disjoint parts of the net, even for more or less the same topics, can be so disjoint.
(This whole discussion is off topic, isn't it?)

That said, love you Meebs and keep at it.

I'd rather not know other people's complaints about us if they do it in this kind of way, especially if they're putting other creators on the spot and using those creator's platforms to air their tastes and personal grievances. It doesn't reflect well on us when they identify themselves as former members, and I'm embarrassed for them that they'd bring us up in such a way. I would hope as a community we'd be more respectful of other creator's spaces and just praise them for their positives without dragging someone else in the negative just to do it.

Everyone has different tastes and it's fine if ours no longer aligns with theirs, people are free to like different things?

Would rather not be associated with people who do that kind of thing publicly, so I'm glad they've moved on and best of luck to them finding entertainment they personally enjoy more. Direct feedback is one thing, but I find that kind of performative behavior kind of tacky and personally. Happy to hear they've found a space that's more welcoming and accepting of that kind of thing. Seems they've found a good match

I mean after a certain point you're probably better off just standing up a new forum, making the old forum read only, and then scope out how much work it would take to mass import the posts.

Came here because of the discord though. There seems to be a handful of games that rate permanent chat rooms and voice channels, presumably because one of the execs or managers plays it, and then the rest of us have to set up an on-demand voice channel every time we want to get together. That friction is essentially enough that it's easier to meet elsewhere. Is there some reason the on-demand channels can't last, say, 2 weeks, instead of having to re-create them every day? Similarly, could we simply create a large number of channels, locked behind reaction roles and managed by a bot?

I've attached a bot to my personal discord and it's not particularly complicated, would be happy to help.

Re: Discord - if a game is popular enough, it'll get its own channel. Doesn't have anything to do with who's playing the game (Among Us, SW:GoH, Rocket League, and Online Boardgames I don't believe have execs playing. Some require more text chatter than others, or voice coms). There's so many games and platforms they come and go constantly with whatever the new hotness is it gets cluttered pretty quickly. It's less channel cleanup that way. It's a community run discord, so concerns or issues are best addressed with one of the mods on the discord server if you're looking to get channels added as many of them primarily hang out over there.

Amoebic wrote:

There's so many games and platforms they come and go constantly with whatever the new hotness is it gets cluttered pretty quickly.

I feel like the part about reaction roles wasn't acknowledged. I read a bunch of stuff about clutter that is the entire purpose of using reaction roles to organize.

Or the part about increasing the on-demand voice timeout.

TL;DR: It is too much of a pain to use GWJ discord to get together that many of us have started setting up our own.

Amoebic wrote:

It's a community run discord, so concerns or issues are best addressed with one of the mods on the discord server if you're looking to get channels added as many of them primarily hang out over there.

Again, maybe try requesting changes from the people who run it? The website admins are not the Discord admins.

Mixolyde wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

It's a community run discord, so concerns or issues are best addressed with one of the mods on the discord server if you're looking to get channels added as many of them primarily hang out over there.

Again, maybe try requesting changes from the people who run it? The website admins are not the Discord admins.

I've tried, the discord can be like shouting into a void. If this isn't a place to request GWJ discord changes, the thread needs renaming.

Emmes wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

There's so many games and platforms they come and go constantly with whatever the new hotness is it gets cluttered pretty quickly.

I feel like the part about reaction roles wasn't acknowledged. I read a bunch of stuff about clutter that is the entire purpose of using reaction roles to organize.

Or the part about increasing the on-demand voice timeout.

Though I am a moderator on both site and discord for cross-reporting, I don't run the discord so am not familiar with what reaction roles are or have decisive action on the discord to change those things, so can't really address your concerns on this. Ahrezmendi is the server manager (the person on the server with the crown next to their name is the person who owns the server), so if you're not wanting to reach out to any of the moderators (Blue or Green names) or admin for a channel request, maybe take it up your preferences with him directly.

TL;DR: It is too much of a pain to use GWJ discord to get together that many of us have started setting up our own.

That's okay! the Destiny 2 folks have their own server, as well! The nice thing about discord is we can customize servers to whatever our own preferences may be.

Emmes wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

It's a community run discord, so concerns or issues are best addressed with one of the mods on the discord server if you're looking to get channels added as many of them primarily hang out over there.

Again, maybe try requesting changes from the people who run it? The website admins are not the Discord admins.

I've tried, the discord can be like shouting into a void. If this isn't a place to request GWJ discord changes, the thread needs renaming.

doogiemac wrote:

Use this thread to report bugs and discuss ideas for new features on the GWJ site.

GWJ Community Voice Chat thread. That's where discord requests go.

Emmes wrote:

TL;DR: It is too much of a pain to use GWJ discord to get together that many of us have started setting up our own.

I don't think anyone is especially worried about which Discord server they're using. One that you set up is going to be just about as valid for any GWJer. If you don't feel you can get what you want from the existing one (which I guess was originally set up by Ahrezmendi, from Amoebic's comment), then setting one up the way you like it, and inviting people, would be perfectly fine.

If the features you like are popular, they might get backported to the first server, or people might just switch to the second. In either case, the servers might end up merging once a common feature set was worked out. Or one might end up getting dropped, or there might be two GWJ community servers for a substantial length of time.

I think any of those scenarios are probably fine. Perhaps there's a reason why someone might get tetchy about a second server, but I can't think what it would be. There might be a little confusion about which server should be used for which game, but that should be pretty minor and easy to work around.

Two or three times a day when I post or even change pages I'm being presented with a captcha to prove I'm not a robot and now I feel like Loki. What if I am a robot and didn't know it?

The captcha page itself suggests I do a malware scan and I have green anti virus and a green Malwarebytes scan.

This started about five days ago and doesn't appear to be going away. Is this a site change or is it likely to be a me problem?

I've been getting that the last couple days too. Only seems to happen on desktop, not mobile (Chrome in both cases).

I've also been getting the captcha once or twice a day over the past several days. (Just got it again which prompted me to find this thread)

It seems to happen when I've left the GWJ tab in Chrome open in the background and return to it after a few hours later. Sometimes I've done the captcha, but usually I just close the tab and start a new one and the site thinks I'm human again.

I haven't seen a captcha when surfing or posting on GWJ, like, ever. The simplest explanation is often the correct one: You're all robots.

I use Firefox on desktop and iOS; maybe it's a recent Chrome change?

I got it when I opened about 10 recent posts in new tabs and then replied to one on my desktop a couple days ago. Seemed reasonable since I was basically spamming the site with requests.

I've never seen a captcha here either.

I have never seen a captcha either. Also don’t use chrome.

Adding another data point: I've suddenly starting getting captchas pretty often too, roughly once or twice a day. Using Chrome on desktop, and no changes I can think of to how I browse the site.

Ferret wrote:

Adding another data point: I've suddenly starting getting captchas pretty often too, roughly once or twice a day. Using Chrome on desktop, and no changes I can think of to how I browse the site.

I was seeing this as well last Thursday and Friday, but today seems fine. Also using Chrome and also opening all recent threads in new tabs.