The Big Board-Gaming Catch-All

Sweet, it was a great day today for boardgaming materials.

Amazon delivered the last Plano case I needed for our copy of Eclipse, and USPS showed up with our DnDeeples for Lords of Waterdeep and my Outfab order.

The trays look fantastic!

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On Netrunner: how hard would it be to teach this to someone who'd never played a competitive deck-building game, on a scale of Dominion to Magic?

Fredrik_S wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
jonnypolite wrote:
Cragmyre wrote:

Hmm, hopefully I don't have to worry about it, but I wonder which of my games play best by candlelight :)

Time to break out Waldschattenspiel!

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I want a copy of that so badly...well, not badly enough to do anything about it right now, but you get my point.

Same here. It's just impossible to find.

Okay, just read about Waldschattenspiel on RPS, and I want it too. Looks like I know what my next DIY project could be.

Gravey wrote:
Fredrik_S wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
jonnypolite wrote:
Cragmyre wrote:

Hmm, hopefully I don't have to worry about it, but I wonder which of my games play best by candlelight :)

Time to break out Waldschattenspiel!

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I want a copy of that so badly...well, not badly enough to do anything about it right now, but you get my point.

Same here. It's just impossible to find.

Okay, just read about Waldschattenspiel on RPS, and I want it too. Looks like I know what my next DIY project could be.

It's easy to find in Germany, and you can place an order at Gamesurplus, they get copies in from time to time.

danopian wrote:

On Netrunner: how hard would it be to teach this to someone who'd never played a competitive deck-building game, on a scale of Dominion to Magic?

My opinion Netrunner's more top heavy when it comes to learning the rules, whereas Magic is more basic upfront but with lots more errata and weird timing situations etc.

Netrunner has a ton of jargon and the "run" concept is unlike pretty much any other game. You have a lot of important choices to make each turn. Concepts like having to protect your hand from intrusion with defensive cards are just hard to wrap your head around.

Dominion is not even in the same league as either, it's one of the easiest of the popular modern games to teach people. The other day I taught Dominion to someone who had never touched a modern game in like ten minutes flat :p

danopian wrote:

On Netrunner: how hard would it be to teach this to someone who'd never played a competitive deck-building game, on a scale of Dominion to Magic?

I taught my wife to play it in about a night. Took about four or five games to finally get it, about an hour each. I have never played a CCG before and neither has she, and she's more of a Cranium/Apples to Apples board gamer. Granted it took me several thorough read throughs of the rules to understand, but the rule book is actually pretty good. As is the little reference card they give you.

Thanks for the input on Netrunner rule difficulty, Demyx, sounds like it'd be tricky.

Demyx wrote:

Dominion is not even in the same league as either, it's one of the easiest of the popular modern games to teach people. The other day I taught Dominion to someone who had never touched a modern game in like ten minutes flat :p

I agree. The ease of teaching new players is a big reason why I bring it out 2 out of 3 times I'm showing people a new game. Forbidden Island is another one that's easy to teach.

maverickz wrote:
danopian wrote:

On Netrunner: how hard would it be to teach this to someone who'd never played a competitive deck-building game, on a scale of Dominion to Magic?

I taught my wife to play it in about a night. Took about four or five games to finally get it, about an hour each. I have never played a CCG before and neither has she, and she's more of a Cranium/Apples to Apples board gamer. Granted it took me several thorough read throughs of the rules to understand, but the rule book is actually pretty good. As is the little reference card they give you.

Yeah, that put's it out of my wife's tolerance range. She absolutely hates the stage of learning a game, that feeling of being lost, and if she's still there after a couple play-throughs it's highly unlikely that I'll summon the courage to make her go through it again. Lord of the Rings: The Card Game was like that for us, but oddly enough Agricola caught on for her by the second go-through.

Gravey wrote:

I'm seeing double here! Four Sam Healeys!

That was hilarious! Nice reference

"Zee" Garcia, while looking like a Sam clone, is actually a much better reviewer/personality.

jonnypolite wrote:

It's easy to find in Germany, and you can place an order at Gamesurplus, they get copies in from time to time.

I just checked German Boardgame Company and they have it too (though both are out of stock), and GBC won't charge $37 shipping for me.

McIrishJihad wrote:

DnDeeples for Lords of Waterdeep

Do you have a link or photo of these? I'm intrigued.

shoptroll wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:

DnDeeples for Lords of Waterdeep

Do you have a link or photo of these? I'm intrigued.

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and most specifically: WHAM!

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HedgeWizard wrote:
shoptroll wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:

DnDeeples for Lords of Waterdeep

Do you have a link or photo of these? I'm intrigued.

ZING!

and most specifically: WHAM!

BONG!
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I'm glad Hedge caught this, because I could never match his sound effects.

So, I have some dungeon crawls, some deck builders, and other coop games, but I don't own any worker placement yet. Since I play with my 11 year old daughter, I want something that she'll enjoy and understand. We play lots of fantasy games, so I'm sure the theme will work for her.

I was thinking of either Lords of Waterdeep or Dungeon Petz. Do either of these work well with two players? I've done a lot of reading at BGG, but I know both of these are played by a few of you, so wanted your opinions too

I've only played both LoW and Agricola with 4 people, and haven't touched Dungeon Petz.

LoW definitely has a strong "screw your neighbor" side, but the theme in Agricola might work for her (your a farmer and rewarded with a well rounded farm).

The few WP games that I have played tend to get crunchy quickly, so I guess I'm not much help here :/

My wife and I enjoyed Lords of Waterdeep as a two-player game. It may be a bit less confrontational, but there is still the ability to mess with the other player.

Cragmyre wrote:

So, I have some dungeon crawls, some deck builders, and other coop games, but I don't own any worker placement yet. Since I play with my 11 year old daughter, I want something that she'll enjoy and understand. We play lots of fantasy games, so I'm sure the theme will work for her.

I was thinking of either Lords of Waterdeep or Dungeon Petz. Do either of these work well with two players? I've done a lot of reading at BGG, but I know both of these are played by a few of you, so wanted your opinions too :)

I've played LOW with two and enjoyed it. A solid pick.

Another one that you might want to consider is AGRICOLA: ALL CREATURES BIG AND SMALL. It's a streamlined version of the classic farming game, designed for two. It deals mostly with raising/breeding animals... all kids like sheep and cows and horseys and such, right? I've been meaning to pick up a copy, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. An expansion also just came out, so if you enjoy it there's more game to be had.

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Cragmyre wrote:

So, I have some dungeon crawls, some deck builders, and other coop games, but I don't own any worker placement yet. Since I play with my 11 year old daughter, I want something that she'll enjoy and understand. We play lots of fantasy games, so I'm sure the theme will work for her.

I was thinking of either Lords of Waterdeep or Dungeon Petz. Do either of these work well with two players? I've done a lot of reading at BGG, but I know both of these are played by a few of you, so wanted your opinions too :)

Two-player Dungeon Petz works great, if a little fiddlier than normal: there's an extra bit of housekeeping with dummy imps taking up actions each turn.

I've never played Waterderp, but I love Dungeon Petz. I guess I've already described above how the mechanics and theme mesh so well. And I'd bet good money it could really appeal to an 11-year-old girl (it originally caught the attention of my 32-year-old wife anyway).

Just introduced my girlfriend, brother, and other random friend to LORDS OF WATERDEEP. I've only ever managed to play this two player once before, so it was nice to finally get it to the table.

One of the people (the "other random friend") was one of those who instantly act goofy and confused when new rules are being explained -- maybe you know the type.. always rolling their eyes, mugging for others, jumping ahead in the rules explanation, and otherwise just generally being a pain in the neck. We got through it, though, and everyone pretty much figured out what was going on and seemed to have a decent time. I won, mostly because I ended up with the "Building" lord bonus card and got 30 points for my five buildings. I'm really hoping the new expansion offers up some much needed variety in the lord bonus department.

After playing LoW, I had to suffer through a Cranium-branded "party" game brought by the "other random friend." I really wanted to run screaming, but she'd been going on and on about us playing one of HER games sometime, and so I sucked it up and muddled through. The good news was that, while pretty pointless, it was over fairly quickly which allowed for a game of CARCASSONNE. I love Carc, but kind of dislike it when I play anything other than a two player game... it just gets too random and difficult to score. Still, MUCH better this than the QUELF box she had tucked away in her bag.

Gravey wrote:

I've never played Waterderp,

Every time you say this I want to punch your avatar in the virtual gonads.

SommerMatt wrote:
Gravey wrote:

I've never played Waterderp,

Every time you say this I want to punch your avatar in the virtual gonads. :)

I think that's actually the first time I've had the opportunity to say Waterderp.

Gravey wrote:
SommerMatt wrote:
Gravey wrote:

I've never played Waterderp,

Every time you say this I want to punch your avatar in the virtual gonads. :)

I think that's actually the first time I've had the opportunity to say Waterderp. ;)

I'm pretty sure that's all Tanglebones calls it now. As the only person in our area with a copy he's had to teach/play it so many times I think he's sick of it.

padriec wrote:
Gravey wrote:
SommerMatt wrote:
Gravey wrote:

I've never played Waterderp,

Every time you say this I want to punch your avatar in the virtual gonads. :)

I think that's actually the first time I've had the opportunity to say Waterderp. ;)

I'm pretty sure that's all Tanglebones calls it now. As the only person in our area with a copy he's had to teach/play it so many times I think he's sick of it.

I've been taking a break so that I can survive its return at PAX time

padriec wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's all Tanglebones calls it now.

I think that's how he introduced it to us at PAX East last year. Name has stuck with us though, but we like silly names like that for games.

Speaking of, I'd love to try it at PAX East this year if folks aren't sick of it. I wasn't able to play it at the last Bost board game S&T, although it looked great.

I have just gotten into boardgames in the past couple years, but have a yearly decreasing pool of folks to play with. I has a sad.

gravity wrote:

Speaking of, I'd love to try it at PAX East this year if folks aren't sick of it. I wasn't able to play it at the last Bost board game S&T, although it looked great.

I'll be bringing my copy, so there'll be at least one floating about

Tanglebones wrote:
gravity wrote:

Speaking of, I'd love to try it at PAX East this year if folks aren't sick of it. I wasn't able to play it at the last Bost board game S&T, although it looked great.

I'll be bringing my copy, so there'll be at least one floating about

Woohoo! Also, Bost? Teach me to post with my iPad...

Tanglebones wrote:
gravity wrote:

Speaking of, I'd love to try it at PAX East this year if folks aren't sick of it. I wasn't able to play it at the last Bost board game S&T, although it looked great.

I'll be bringing my copy, so there'll be at least one floating about

And there should be enough of us that know how to play by now that you won't have to be the one teaching everyone how to play.

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I was placing an order from CoolStuffInc and wanted to get it up to $100 for the free shipping, which ( sadly ) I easily did. I was buying some card sleeves for Legendary ( needed at least 500 :O ) and decided to get another game, hence my inquiry about worker placement games.

SommerMatt, I looked for Agricola: All Creatures Big and Small at the site, but unfortunately it was out of stock, so I added that one to my wishlist. After showing my daughter the other two games, we decided upon Dungeon Petz and she is looking forward to its arrival.

I was still a little short on the free shipping discount, so instead of buying more sleeves, decided to pick up D-Day dice. I had been on the fence for a while now, but after watching enough videos of game play, decided it would be a nice game to break up my fantasy theme gaming

Everything is expected to arrive Valentine's Day - wonder if my wife would like to game instead of going out to dinner or flowers or something

Played a game of Pillars of the Earth with the expansion with my wife tonight. It's one of her favorite game as consistently beats me at it. The expansion adds a few more choices and a slew of new craftsmen to the game and even with only two players it does add a bit of choice to the game. I'd say if you like PotE, then spring for the expansion as well, especially if you play it with more than two people (expansion ups the player total from 5 to 7, I believe).

As we were putting it away, we stowed the expansion in with the original box and a hole opened up in the bookshelf. She turns to me and says "There's an empty spot here now. You should order us a new game". Best wife ever?