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I honestly was not kidding tonight about the medic situation on Stan's. If you aren't a heavy or a "top player" here's a little top off and see ya later.

ragin_redneck wrote:

I honestly was not kidding tonight about the medic situation on Stan's. If you aren't a heavy or a "top player" here's a little top off and see ya later.

Wasn't on the server but I assume you don't mean just tonight. When I play medic I heal everyone (I make exceptions for defensive spies and crappy snipers/spies) but I do tend to give standard ubers to heavies. I'll give KK to demos, soldiers, or heavies. Redneck, I'll over-heal you and give you the occasional uber but the caber isn't really high on my uber list and 4 grenades just don't do enough damage or have enough accuracy to get much attention.

I will give a pyro the uber at times. Sometimes it works out well and can often work out better than a heavy (especially if the other team has a pyro at the ready). Dimmer gets a fair amount of ubers from me. I'll be honest, though. I put classes into tiers. Medic is the top tier. Heavy is Tier 2. Soldier and Demo are tier 3. Sniper, Engie, and Spy are Tier 4. Scout is Tier 5. Enemy spy is tier 6. Defensive Scout is Tier 7. Yeah, that's right. I'd rather heal an enemy spy than a defensive scout.

I will prioritize people but it's pretty much Goodjers and then pubbies. Ubers will go to the player I think is going to make the most difference for the team. Usually that goes by the list above but sometimes it's fun to screw around and uber someone for the fun of it.

A sentry nest doesn't need accuracy and only 4 grenades.

ragin_redneck wrote:

I honestly was not kidding tonight about the medic situation on Stan's. If you aren't a heavy or a "top player" here's a little top off and see ya later.

I stopped assuming I would get heals playing anything but heavy a long time ago. Too many times standing in front of a medic hammering the "Medic!" button while they heal the overhealed heavy that isn't shooting at anything.

Agree completely with everything EvilHomer said.

Additionally: Most of the time we're so busy topping people up and putting out on-fire players that we don't have time to focus on "pocketing" or overhealing someone. You guys injure yourself a lot and usually there's only one of us.

I give ubers/kritzes to the closest offensive class as soon as I can, as appropriate to the situation. I can't hang on it too long or someone will burn/stab/gib me. That means the decision has to be quick, and thus often the heavy. With a bit more time to plan, soldiers/demos/pyros are often the priority for both kritzes and ubers. If I have a choice between EvilHeavy or a decent pubbie soldier against a distant level 3 sentry -- like today on Egypt -- I'll uber the soldier. It's highly situational.

We, as a server, play waaaaaay more payload maps than any other map type. And we have shown time and time again that the standard way to win a payload map -- especially Badwater -- is a marching band of competent heavy/medics on the cart. The only basic defense against such an assault seems to be cabers and Gumbie, perhaps with a side of expert-level stabbing. There are other strategies, of course, but they require planning and coordination. Payload maps just encourage uber heavies on the cart, since cart combat is so short-range.

Also: We can't really uber caber-rush-demos -- you'll out-run the beam. Right? And a kritz-caber is redundant, isn't it?

It's tough; we run around healing injuries as fast as we can, all the while knowing that we desperately need to stay alive and build those game-changing ubers. And we do so with a huge target on our backs. I know that my constant dying at 80% charge has a massively deleterious effect on our chances, for example, just adding to my frustration.

Now Sinkwater, for one, will occasionally ask for an overheal just for the extra health before he starts an assault. It's a great idea, and it lets me know his plans. If you ever want an overheal, please just ask. You might feel self-conscious doing so, but trust me, every little bit of communication helps.

Edit: And if you ever have to stand, injured, in front of me and hit the medic button, I will heal you, period. The only exceptions might be if I'm either about to die, about to activate an uber, or temporarily overwhelmed with other healing targets. And if all else fails, please ask. It's not required, but it's a good way to draw attention if I'm distracted. For those of you who do so already, keep it up, and thanks.

As a Pyro more often than not, I don't expect to get ubered. In fact, I'm often surprised when I do. Just a little top off if you're not in the middle of fighting works for me, then off I go to harass people

ragin_redneck wrote:

I honestly was not kidding tonight about the medic situation on Stan's. If you aren't a heavy or a "top player" here's a little top off and see ya later.

Just stop cabering me and I will heal you next time lol Just kidding. I was medic most of the time last night and I will heal everyone that needs it. If I left you out once or twice, that's more because I didn't see it than anything else. I actually prefer demo for kritz over heavy in lots of situations, and to kill a sentry even better when ubered. So yeah, f*ck the other medic, it wasn't me lol j/k

ps Tboon always gets an uber if possible !

Sparhawk wrote:

ps Tboon always gets an uber if possible ! ;)

Haha! It is because of my maniacal cackling, isn't it?

tboon wrote:
Sparhawk wrote:

ps Tboon always gets an uber if possible ! ;)

Haha! It is because of my maniacal cackling, isn't it? :)

That is certainly part of the fun! And often the sheer amazement that we survived it in the end as well lol

Stopped playing soldier because medics wouldn't heal me or would heal me and then leave me in the heat of battle to give uber/kritz to someone who wasn't on the front lines. I get my revenge in the form of headshots now.

Gumbie wrote:

Stopped playing soldier because medics wouldn't heal me or would heal me and then leave me in the heat of battle to give uber/kritz to someone who wasn't on the front lines. I get my revenge with headshots now.

Next time we are on the same team and there is another medic, I would be honored to pocket-Kritz you.

tboon wrote:
Gumbie wrote:

Stopped playing soldier because medics wouldn't heal me or would heal me and then leave me in the heat of battle to give uber/kritz to someone who wasn't on the front lines. I get my revenge with headshots now.

NExt time we are on the same team and there is another medic, I would be honored to pocket-Kritz you.

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Gumbie wrote:
KUThunderchief wrote:

NSFW.

Hoooly sh*t. This should win an award. I don't know what kind of award, but definitely one of them. Haven't heard the song in a long time and that was brilliant.

I vote for a Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.

Just wanted to add I constantly make it a point to hit the thanks key when a medic tops me off or heals me. Since I've been doing it for 6 years now it's so habitual I don't even realize I'm doing it.

You are assuming that I'm bitchin about not geting uber or kritz. I'm not. I know as caber demo I am the last resort. If I have 1 health and your pocket heavy is already overhealed and I'm spamming the medic key right beside the medic, hello you build uber/kritz faster by healing the injured. Not just a little here ya go freaking heal me or I'll just take the health you need when your heavy is dead and you are running for your life back to spawn to pick him up again. It makes sense right, my job is to spam Gumbie to keep his head down and cabering the heavy who's medic is to slow so you can go on your little run. If I'm running around the dang map looking for health and you just lost your heavy to a Gumbie shot neither of us are effective.

Gumbie wrote:

Just wanted to add I constantly make it a point to hit the thanks key when a medic tops me off or heals me. Since I've been doing it for 6 years now it's so habitual I don't even realize I'm doing it.

This. You can probably tell if you're healing a spy version of me because the spy won't instinctively respond to increasing health with Z-2 ("Thanks!").

I think I'm going to start playing medic more on Stan's, since I can't seem to really thrive anymore when playing my best classes (pyro, engi, spy). My style will probably be about 50% Uber, 30% Kritz, 20% Vaccinator, 0% pocketing anyone exclusively. Because I don't have a mic, I usually rely on "Go! Go! Go!" to signal "Hey, guy I'm healing with a full charge, let's do this thing" -- "Ubercharge ready" and "Activate Ubercharge" are too awkward to use (X-8 and X-7) in the heat of battle, and I'm not smart enough to use fancy keybinds. Hopefully that's a signal enough people can pick up on! I look forward to the inevitable application of knives to my back.

When I play medic, one thing that is aggravating is when people call out for healing but will not stay still so I can. If you are running through people like a hyperactive 3-year-old and I cannot lock on to you, sorry. Take some Ritalin and come back to see me. I want to help but you need to help me help you.

Not saying anyone here does that. Necessarily.

tboon wrote:

When I play medic, one thing that is aggravating is when people call out for healing but will not stay still so I can. If you are running through people like a hyperactive 3-year-old and I cannot lock on to you, sorry. Take some Ritalin and come back to see me. I want to help but you need to help me help you.

+infinity

Also Brainz, I want to see that amazing screenshot you said you got of me.

Min gets punched right in his stupid face by hero engy!
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YOUR face is stupid!

As a medic, I strive to keep everyone overhealed at all times. When things get dicey, I pick an offensive class and hunker down (until I feel the need to go ubersaw someone (which, I'll admit is a problem, but i digress)).

There's a setting in the advanced settings where you can have teammates automatically call out for a medic when they hit a certain HP (which can be adjusted). If you don't have this set, I recommend you try it for at least a couple nights. It wasn't what I thought when I first tried it out. This automatic call for a medic is different from the the one when they press 'r'. Not only is the icon different, but the sound is too. That way, you can differentiate between the two. Seriously, give it a shot— you'll be able to find where heals are needed before your teammate even presses (or not presses) the request for heal button.

tboon wrote:
Sparhawk wrote:

ps Tboon always gets an uber if possible ! ;)

Haha! It is because of my maniacal cackling, isn't it? :)

Tboon always gets a KK if possible! Love those suicide missions! The cackling too!

brouhaha wrote:

There's a setting in the advanced settings where you can have teammates automatically call out for a medic when they hit a certain HP (which can be adjusted). If you don't have this set, I recommend you try it for at least a couple nights.

+1. I think I have mine set to 60%, which keeps me fairly busy. It's really good for making sure you don't get tunnel vision on a particular heal target.

I haven't really seen a heavily defended CP2 in a long time, like 3 or 4 years. (except for one night last week or the week before) I figured that with new items and balance changes, people just decided it wasn't defensible.

MyBrainHz wrote:

Min gets punched right in his stupid face by hero engy!
IMAGE(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/597014361931555572/1E3F6608F071AD6F9FA6853FC3CCD3FBA934671B/)

Hey, I'm that hero! This made my day 1000% better, I am almost never in anyone's screenshots!

Although, as I recall, I kept running and rounded the corner into Mex's sticky trap. Which was fair, because I laid a ton of those traps myself during the epic Steel defense.

ragin_redneck wrote:

you build uber/kritz faster by healing the injured

All Medics should memorize this. Valve designed it this way on purpose -- and later refined it to make it even more pronounced and rewarding to both medic and patient. It is in a Medic's self-interest to prioritize the injured.

More thoughts: Any GWJer is a "top player" and deserving of an uber, my experience. I'm not just being diplomatic; experience has shown that ubering any of the regulars will produce great (or hilarious) results.

Sounds like we're all of one mind about this. So the problem is either that since most of the regulars would rather play more active classes, the role of medic often falls on the pubs; or, some of us regular medics are not walking the walk. If the former, let's just try to ask pub medics for healing if they're asleep at the wheel; if the latter, perhaps bringing this up will keep it in people's minds. Primum non nocere!

THE RAGING OF THE PUBBIE. A PLAY IN ONE ACT.

Scene: Doomsday, a land where monkeynauts are trapped in a cycle of perpetual failure. DANGR, a pubbie scout, wanders aimlessly as EVILSEED, a spectator, looks on. MYBRAINHZ, a soldier, enters.

DANGR: ur dead

MYBRAINHZ: no u

[MYBRAINHZ proceeds to gib, splatter, and otherwise mercilessly asplode DANGR.]

DANGR: f*ck u

[MYBRAINHZ kills DANGR once again. Domination sirens blare out.]

MYBRAINHZ: ur dead

DANGR: ur a c*nt f*cking

MYBRAINHZ:

[EVILSEED, having had enough of the pubbie's vulgar outbursts, kicks DANGR from the server]

MYBRAINHZ: HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH. poor pubbie

FIN

ragin_redneck wrote:

You are assuming that I'm bitchin about not geting uber or kritz. I'm not. I know as caber demo I am the last resort. If I have 1 health and your pocket heavy is already overhealed and I'm spamming the medic key right beside the medic, hello you build uber/kritz faster by healing the injured. Not just a little here ya go freaking heal me or I'll just take the health you need when your heavy is dead and you are running for your life back to spawn to pick him up again. It makes sense right, my job is to spam Gumbie to keep his head down and cabering the heavy who's medic is to slow so you can go on your little run. If I'm running around the dang map looking for health and you just lost your heavy to a Gumbie shot neither of us are effective.

If someone doesn't know this they really shouldn't be playing medic (or they need it explained to them). I think most of the Goodjers playing medic know this. Perhaps they just don't like you....I don't like you either. You just watch yourself.

I try to heal anyone that I think is in imminent danger of dying first but there are exceptions. Even a live defensive scout is better than a dead one (though there are some pubbies I've seen that test that theory). Ragin, I know I've saved you from death after a caber explodes you into the air and you don't have enough health to land. Personally I think that is one of the most rewarding things to do as a medic (save someone from a falling death). I also heal people for just the reasons Ragin mentions. If I don't heal them they take my health. I know I'll need that health. Of course sometimes they take it while I'm on fire and healing them but that's almost always an accident or a pubbie.

tboon wrote:

When I play medic, one thing that is aggravating is when people call out for healing but will not stay still so I can. If you are running through people like a hyperactive 3-year-old and I cannot lock on to you, sorry. Take some Ritalin and come back to see me. I want to help but you need to help me help you.

Not saying anyone here does that. Necessarily.

At least not purposely. Sometimes I have to tell people to stop moving. Hasn't happened in a while, though.

A good medic is someone who can manage priorities well. You've always got a lot of people who need to be healed and who gets healed first requires a complex algorythm with multiple variables that change every second.

MyBrainHz wrote:

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The most prestigious virtual award in combat filmmaking goes to.. The Clipping Rock of Doomsday! Tough luck Brian. Next year.

I like that we're giving medic advice and asking that the medics be experienced when we often tell the newer folks to be medic and follow a GWJer around.