Official Team Fortress 2 Game Nights (PC)

Tannhauser wrote:
nsmike wrote:

Augh, this whole situation has me so frustrated. I guess I won't be coming back to the server anymore. I know I've made some enemies with this line of thinking, and if I can't find a pure environment to play this game on this server, I know I won't find it on the public servers, so I guess I'm done with TF2. It's been a good run.

And this situation leaves me frustrated. It has been fun playing with you NSMike, I do not want to see you leave, especially under such circumstances. I really doubt you have made any enemies, though obviously not everyone agrees with you. At the very least, we can try to come to some overall agreement on the matter before it comes to this sort of thing.

Apparently, I started my edit of my last post during the time you were making your own :).

I've tested out a few of these scripts on an empty map. Specifically, the two that I assumed would be most useful to me, the sticky and rocket jump scripts.

Neither one was very satisfying. The sticky jump script was, fairly consistently, better at getting me distance, but I was able to pull this off on my own a few times. I attribute my lack of ability with the sticky jump to the fact that I pretty much never play demo man. With better timing than me, I suspect an experienced demo man could pull off what this script does fairly easily. Although, I tended to get MUCH more impressive altitudes with my un-script-assisted sticky jumps, but less distance and practically no directional control.

The rocket jump was a complete wash. Rocket jumping just isn't my thing, I guess, because I got pretty much identical results with my un-script-assisted attempts as with the script. Which is to say, I usually ended up going very high, and not getting where I was trying to go. No directional control, not very much distance.

Overall, with these 2 scripts at least, you still need to get the timing right to pull off a useful jump.

Of course, trying these on a packed server in the heat of battle might make a difference, considering the execution of either one of these requires 2 keypresses and a mouse-click. Just to make it clear, this is not meant to be an endorsement of scripts. Without testing, it seems pretty obvious to me that things like the spy auto-disguise and sapping scripts are a bit beyond fair.

It also seems that the games were, in fact, designed to accept user-created scripts, especially considering that you can add the autoexec.cfg script file, which the game does not create or use on its own, but still looks for and executes when the game is run.

I think you have the right of it, nsmike. There's no sense complaining about scripts too strenuously without trying them and seeing if they're truly unbalanced. It looks like you've confirmed what Jake was saying, that scripts don't suddenly make you superman.

Lucky for me, as I said earlier, I don't mind playing with or against people using scripts, so I don't need to go through the hassle

The jumping scripts give me pause... I'm also terrible at rocket/sticky jumping. I know that you have to crouch to get extra height, so when I'm trying to get up somewhere as a soldier, I run forward, point down, press control to crouch then press the space to jump then fire the rocket. I can only pull this off maybe 10% of the time, and even if i do, its usually off in some random direction.

But the scripts look like you jump then crouch before you fire. Is that the case? Can you hold down both ctrl and space together to get the crouch jump? That would make things at least a little bit easier. I assume direction is also a matter of how well you line up the shot. I must always pull a bit too left or right. Other than scripts, anybody want to illuminate how they pull off the jumps?

Sadly, I can't currently test this out, as I am at the in-laws in wisconsin without any computers capable of running TF2. All this valuable leisure time that could be spent perfecting my skills, and I have to spend it with *shudder* family

I'm ok with people using the scripts listed to this point. It does save some keystrokes, but I don't think it gives too much of an advantage. Certainly nothing you couldn't get with practice. I suppose you could find a server that disabled scripts, but I think in most other matches, there's gonna be at least a couple of folks that do things like this.

While we are on rocket jumping I'd like to bring up something I've never seen anyone else do (and I'm rarely in the position to do it). If you are a soldier running from spawn with a medic on your back you can speed up by doing quake style rocket jumps. It involves turning around about 180 degrees and firing behind you which properly done propels you forward in a low trajectory. The medic won't have to run in circles around your slow ass and he gets his charge faster, it's a win-win.

indy wrote:

...But the scripts look like you jump then crouch before you fire. Is that the case? Can you hold down both ctrl and space together to get the crouch jump? That would make things at least a little bit easier. I assume direction is also a matter of how well you line up the shot. I must always pull a bit too left or right. Other than scripts, anybody want to illuminate how they pull off the jumps?

It was my understanding that you are supposed to pull off a crouch-jump like they teach you in the Half-Life 1 Hazard Course to get the extra height. That is, jump, and then crouch in quick succession(so quick that you ALMOST press them at the same time). But, as I said, I'm not a very good rocket/sticky jumper, so I may be wrong.

jakeleg wrote:

Good games last night. It was nice to get to play again. Props to JaSeR and Rebel who medic'd my heavy on quite a few maps. We had some nice runs.

Your quite welcome. It was great fun watching the return of jakeleg as opposed to being subjected to his wrath.

nsmike wrote:

It was my understanding that you are supposed to pull off a crouch-jump like they teach you in the Half-Life 1 Hazard Course to get the extra height. That is, jump, ad then crouch in quick succession(so quick that you ALMOST press them at the same time). But, as I said, I'm not a very good rocket/sticky jumper, so I may be wrong.

that's exactly it with a rocket shot at your feet at just the right time.

Honestly the best way to learn to rocket/sticky jump is to get into an empty server and practice. After awhile you dont think about it.

I also perfer the rocket jump over the sticky jump because the soldier has more armor/health than a demoman and you have more life left after a jump.

Sticky jumps send you so high up that you end up taking even more damage from the fall down and you'r already 1/2 dead at that point. Still it's handy to know how for the right situations.

Tannhauser wrote:

Actually, I like Snofort as well, for the holiday spirit; I just don't think it is a very good map while not being a terrible one either. I have always had the position that we should keep it for the holidays only.

At first I didn't like the map because the combination of the high caliber snipers, on the lounge, and the long tree line approach made the act of stepping outside of the lodge certain death. However, once I discovered the mine pathway I started enjoying the map quite a bit more.

It is a nice holiday change but I don't think it is a keeper.

I play a fair amount, and lurk around some on the forums. I haven't used any scripts, enjoy playing with everyone, and seem to do OK.

I just wanted to say hi to all the fun people I see in the games.

Cpt. Business wrote:

I play a fair amount, and lurk around some on the forums. I haven't used any scripts, enjoy playing with everyone, and seem to do OK.

I just wanted to say hi to all the fun people I see in the games.

This is by far the most offensive thing I have ever seen on the Internet. Flame war!

hehe Nyles beating up on a new guy!

I have been on the road for a bit now getting home for xmas but what an interesting read when I get on the net again!

Scripts: I dont care if you use them or not, just like they where in original QWTF they are a poor substitute for real skill. I can rocket jump at anytime and sticky jump at will.

I was going to script out stuff in TF2 but there is really nothing to script except say one button desguise (f1 = scout, f2 soldier, etc) and engy stuff. The stab and slap script is retarded as well, this is something you can do with ease using last weapon and its not that hard.

So in conclusion dont get your panties in a bunch if they are using it you will more then likely not know because it doesnt affect a person ability to clean up during a game.

I don't use any scripts and it doesn't bother me if others do. I fully expect people would in a competitive game. Even if this is friendly competition.
I'm surprised to see many of you are upset by it, and I seriously hope no one is so ticked off they stop playing or play much less often.

In other news, my connection is terrible so it seems unlikely that I'll be able to play; Or if I can, I will be a shadow of my normal self. Maybe some of you will gib me for your Christmas gift.

Lordy, guess who has released another Team Fortress 2 video? Team Roomba Presents: More Team Fortress 2 Griefing.

Pharacon wrote:

hehe Nyles beating up on a new guy!

Nah, I'm pretty sure I'm still the new guy, too. Cpt. Business, if I see you around the server, I'll heal you up right. If you're playing a spy, you don't even have to be on my team, I'll heal you anyway. Welcome to the love fest that is Jakeleg's server. It's safer here.

Tannhauser wrote:

Lordy, guess who has released another Team Fortress 2 video? Team Roomba Presents: More Team Fortress 2 Griefing.

I have to confess, I laughed at the "Promise you'll vote for Ron Paul and I'll let you out"-bit.

Yeah, saw this new griefing vid a few days ago. You have to admit, these guys do a service for the rest of the public servers, I'm sure Valve has seen these and is working on fixes for a lot of these exploits.

That video was awesome. I loved the ubering of the sniper. It was great watching him start to head into battle, backing off then yelling at the medic for ubering him.

hahaha! That vid was freaking funny. I love the trivia and I will let you out scrap haha. But I was thinking while watching it what NSmike stated. These bugs will be fixed

I really wonder if the Team Roombah server is ever full haha

Lord, one week of vacation and you guys swamp the forums.

I won't be playing for 4-6 days. Power supply died in my pc.

Oh. My. God.
This is so freaking fun!
I'm doing nothing but finding big dudes to run around behind and heal, but dayum, this is a neat, fun game!

Except the part where I got disconnected, but it gave me time to type this.

duckilama wrote:

Oh. My. God.
This is so freaking fun!
I'm doing nothing but finding big dudes to run around behind and heal, but dayum, this is a neat, fun game!

Except the part where I got disconnected, but it gave me time to type this.

Welcome to the club! I know this game has kept me up way past my bedtime for the past couple of months.

Good games again tonight. But have we basically given up on playing any of the custom maps? I don't recall playing many of them on the server, and we tend to skip past the ones that do come up. Which i'm ok with if its b/c of half the server dropping out. I just remembered we got a pretty good run out of the castle map, back on the other server. It wasnt the greatest map, but it was a nice change of pace. Hopefully the new official maps start trickling in soon.

Good job on the medic duties tonight Ducki. Get a mic so we can talk to you!

1st rule of TF2: Get a mic
2nd rule of TF2: Get a mic.

Gumbie wrote:

I won't be playing for 4-6 days. Power supply died in my pc. :(

Weak! Get a couple of hamsters, a wheel and generator. You may need some duct tape too, but that opens a whole other line of inquiries.

I'm doing nothing but finding big dudes to run around behind and heal, but dayum, this is a neat, fun game!

I think that's about all I did for the first two weeks I played TF2, just so I could learn the maps. Everyone loves a medic, you really can't screw it up!

Although soon you will want to play a heavy so you can see what it's like... and then you will wonder how the soldiers do that neat rocket jump thing... then before you know it you will be running around invisible and trying to stab Subaltern in the back after he snipes you 57 times.

Yay Stan's!

jakeleg wrote:

Good job on the medic duties tonight Ducki. Get a mic so we can talk to you!

1st rule of TF2: Get a mic
2nd rule of TF2: Get a mic.
:-)

Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to get some "solo" time in on pub servers before gametime to get the kinks worked out - that's why I didn't respond at all - no mic, didn't know how to do team-chat(text), didn't know how to do the quick-chat "canned" stuff, didn't know much of anything that wasn't in the developer commentaries(thanks Edwin).

Pretty much I knew how to invoke my healing gun, how to invoke invulnerability, and how to switch from my little gun to the healing gun. Oh, and I knew it'd be hard to not be useful as a medic. Some things never change.

I'll definitely be back for more.

After scoring in the middle of the pack on Stan's, you will destroy most public servers.

I think I was #3 on my team at the end of the night, but when you've got heavies like jakeleg carrying you, it's kinda like getting rest XP in a MMO.

boogle wrote:

After scoring in the middle of the pack on Stan's, you will destroy most public servers.

Actually, as a new member to the steam community & TF2, this actually makes me a bit nervous in joining the Goojers. At this point, I don't even know all the keys (one drawback to steam). I'd hate to get out there and have teammates trying to figure out how to punt me because I don't know the maps, all the tricks, or even some of the basics.

Any suggestions as to where to start when it comes to breaking in? My initial foray into the game was fun but I am not ready for the big leagues yet.

ShadeRaven wrote:
boogle wrote:

After scoring in the middle of the pack on Stan's, you will destroy most public servers.

Actually, as a new member to the steam community & TF2, this actually makes me a bit nervous in joining the Goojers. At this point, I don't even know all the keys (one drawback to steam). I'd hate to get out there and have teammates trying to figure out how to punt me because I don't know the maps, all the tricks, or even some of the basics.

Any suggestions as to where to start when it comes to breaking in? My initial foray into the game was fun but I am not ready for the big leagues yet.

Don't take my hastily posted comment the wrong way, Stans is great, even if you are new and/or suck(me).
People there will go, hey build over here instead and then explain why instead of calling you a noob.