Peter Jackson directs "The Hobbit"

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"With great power comes great responsibility" - Gandalf, to Harry Potter

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We are blessed with a visit from one of the Ainur!

/Tolkiengeekery

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"With great power comes great responsibility" - Gandalf, to Harry Potter

Standing in Stark Tower.

In Stark Corporate Tower?

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In Stark Corporate Tower?

Fellowship, Assemble!

"I have an army."

"We have a Smaug."

"The One Ring is strong with this one" Voldemort.

"Tea, Earl Gray, Hot." - Magneto

"Never put Bilbo in a corner!"

We'll have to nuke the site from Rivendell. It's the only way to be sure.

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All hail the exalted one!

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Well, considering it's been shot, and now it's all editing/post/pick-ups, he's already directed it, hasn't he?

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So do I, but you don't see me going around bragging about it.

ianunderhill wrote:
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Well, considering it's been shot, and now it's all editing/post/pick-ups, he's already directed it, hasn't he? :D

CLOSE ENOUGH. GOSH.

I feel like the thread title now needs a "and other short stories."

So y'know how the book was only in the 160-page region? I guess they found a heck of a lot of content in those appendices, because we might just be getting a trilogy.

The appendices content is the greatest reason I'm not excited for this. I don't trust Peter Jackson writing the story his own way. Whenever he jumped away from the pages of the book is when the films got the most cheesy, most horribly written, and flat-out dumb.

I sense a lot of historical flashback, long timeless looks into the camera, and mountain goblins bumbling about in caves has necessitated another 2.8 hours.

There and back again, and oh crap I left my keys in Smaug's lair.

It does take them a rather long time to get home from the Lonely Mountain. The Wild was still the Wild, after all! Maybe we're going to see what happened on the way home.

nivek wrote:

It does take them a rather long time to get home from the Lonely Mountain. The Wild was still the Wild, after all! Maybe we're going to see what happened on the way home.

Given how long the last trilogy took to end, Bilbo could be home with 45 minutes left in the film.

ccesarano wrote:

The appendices content is the greatest reason I'm not excited for this. I don't trust Peter Jackson writing the story his own way. Whenever he jumped away from the pages of the book is when the films got the most cheesy, most horribly written, and flat-out dumb.

Do you have any examples? I remember bits being tweaked, or removed entirely, but I can't remember any bits being added. But it's been ages since I've read the novels, I can barely remember any specifics at all.

It's probably more of a personal preference thing, I just find his shlock horror camp style to damage the film when he's not sticking closely to the source material. For example, Pippin dropping the entire skeleton down a well as comic relief, only to have the orcs attack immediately after. In the original book he just dropped some pebbles, and in the middle of Gandalf lecturing him everyone quieted down, as someone started tapping rock in a sort of morse code. It is effectively creepy, as you now know they aren't alone in Moria, but you still don't know what is down there. This was executed faithfully and excellently in Ralph Bakshi's animated version.

Jackson's version: dumb, particularly in comparison. Oh, sure, it's funny, but the original is better for giving Moria the oppressive, claustrophobic and yet wide open atmosphere it is intended to evoke.

I'm pretty sure I bitched about other examples in this thread as well. I'll always groan when the Nazgul say in the worst, dumbest, most pitiful voice "Give up the halfing she-elf!" and Liv Tyler, who has no purpose riding Frodo forward in the manner that she does, says "If you want him, come and claim him!" and then summons the water herself. I can just hear Peter Jackson masturbating off camera, and as the water rolls out over the Nazgul he grips his director's chair, shouts "LIV TYLEEEERRRRRR!" and then the "one eye of Barad-Dur" spat out a nice Shelob sized glob o' webbing.

There are so many reasons a whispering "Come back, come back, to Mordor we'll take you" sends chills up the spine, and Frodo becomes so much more admirable for pulling out his knife and shouting "Go back to Mordor, and follow me no more!"

There are so many moments Peter Jackson could have cut down on, and the ones he shrinks down are some of the best. I understand having to shift things around for run-time, but how he dealt with two of those amazing, memorable, evocative moments was just...ugh.

So yeah, again, not really looking forward to what he'll do when he has as large a blank slate as he does.

All the drinks, ccesarano, let me buy them for you.

Also, there's that ridiculous bit with Aragorn falling off a cliff in Two Towers, and then being saved by Joey from War Horse. That bit's dumb too.

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All the drinks, ccesarano, let me buy them for you.

Might as well pass me some of the cash that goes to that seeing as how I now need a new keyboard and a new cup of coffee.

Frankly, I've a huge fan of the movies even after having read the book a few times. Yet I understand where he's coming from so a huge bravo to ccesarano for that post (but not the mental image).

Redwing wrote:

Do you have any examples? I remember bits being tweaked, or removed entirely, but I can't remember any bits being added. But it's been ages since I've read the novels, I can barely remember any specifics at all.

The ghost army in Return of the King, for instance. They completely stole the victory from Minas Tirith, which does not happen in the book. It was a very poor deus ex machina that detracted from the feel of the struggle.

ZaneRockfist wrote:
Redwing wrote:

Do you have any examples? I remember bits being tweaked, or removed entirely, but I can't remember any bits being added. But it's been ages since I've read the novels, I can barely remember any specifics at all.

The ghost army in Return of the King, for instance. They completely stole the victory from Minas Tirith, which does not happen in the book. It was a very poor deus ex machina that detracted from the feel of the struggle.

I was really looking forward to that scene in the book where Aragorn, Eomir, and that Half-Elven lord meet up in the middle of Pelenor fields having cut a bloody swath through the forces of Mordor. That would have been cooler than The Frighteners Part II. On a whole, I still love the series.

I, too, love the series but there are some disappointing moments for sure. (And how could there not be? There are so many decisions to make, he was bound to make some I didn't like.) The biggest thing (aside from that one HORRIBLE scene with Merri and Pippin in the extended cuts) that bothers me, still, is how he handled Shelob. He turned her into this agile hairy spider (because they scared him as a kid) instead of the ancient, bulbous, evil-weeping monster that she is in the books. I really missed that feeling of slow, inexorable death that she gave off as written.

If i took each scene as a standalone item i'd get worked up but for each scene he mishandled he made up for by being on the money for the rest with the right tone and spot on detail that i give them a pass and enjoy as a whole.

What? All that and not one mention of when Galadriel goes all Reboot on our assess? That's more incongruous a moment than shield surfing, for crying out loud.