2012/13 Soccer Thread

Yeah, even with United goggles, Rooney did not have a good game today, and Ashely was painful to watch. It was like Nani but instead of losing by hogging he just seemed to prefer passing to opponents or empty spaces.

That said you can't totally sh*t on Rooney when the midfield is the way it is, it's abysmal. Even Messi struggles with his National Team, and its midfield is nowhere near as abysmal as this.

Joe Hart, as much as it hurts me to say this, saved the game in more ways than one. And Terry + Blatter on one occasion.

At least with this win, we'll get to see England's mediocrity continue to trumph likely well into the semis.

Pikey26 wrote:

Yeah, even with United goggles, Rooney did not have a good game today, and Ashely was painful to watch. It was like Nani but instead of losing by hogging he just seemed to prefer passing to opponents or empty spaces.

That said you can't totally sh*t on Rooney when the midfield is the way it is, it's abysmal.

Joe Hart, as much as it hurts me to say this, saved the game in more ways than one. And Terry + Blatter on one occasion.

At least with this win, we'll get to see England's mediocrity continue to trumph likely well into the semis.

Fair comment, all 4 of the midfielders were unable to hang on to the ball. And I think that the furore over that goal (happening to the hosts, no less) can only advance the cause of goal line tech. Them extra officials are totally pointless.

If they give the ball away like that against the Italians, they'll be in trouble. I do think though, that it will be tight as Italy don't create a huge lot of chances.

Tell you what chums, I'm not an England follower, but I'm beginning to get a whiff of Italia 90 around them.

davet010 wrote:

And I think that the furore over that goal can only advance the cause of goal line tech.

We say that every time, don't we.

davet010 wrote:

Tell you what chums, I'm not an England follower, but I'm beginning to get a whiff of Italia 90 around them.

First let's see how you fare against Italia '12.

UCRC wrote:
davet010 wrote:

And I think that the furore over that goal can only advance the cause of goal line tech.

We say that every time, don't we.

davet010 wrote:

Tell you what chums, I'm not an England follower, but I'm beginning to get a whiff of Italia 90 around them.

First let's see how you fare against Italia '12.

I was referring to the tournament, when England started atrociously (only got through by beating Egypt 1-0 in the last group game), then got to the semis.

Oh lord, that was 22 years ago. Now I am a sad panda.

I'm all for this being a revival of Italy '90. *cracks German knuckles*

This is great! I've been told in the past that my desire for goal-line cameras was due to my being a stupid American. I feel such camaraderie!

And I also hate Sepp Blatter!

The only thing I can think of for keeping goal-line cameras/tech away is that you can't bribe a camera to help your match-fixing schemes. Not that there is any match-fixing in football, and even if there was it wouldn't include ref. for sure.

Germany 2.75
Spain 3.50
Italy 8.00
Portugal 8.50
England 9.00
France 11.00
Czech Republic 41.00
Greece 41.00

Id be more willing to lay $$$ on Greece or Czechs then England or France at those prices.

Also comical that Portugal is 8.5 to Englands 9 considering who each play in the next round. Oh and besides the fact that Portugal are actually just plain better on paper and form. Which of course means Portugal will lose to the Czechs.

Anyways off to the quarters we go. 1 game a day for 4 days straight. Footy heaven which just happens to fall on a weekend I have totally booked off to travel for a wedding

Oh wow, at that price i'd happily lay $20 on the Czechs.

Without wanting to cheer up jowner too much, I'm temped to lump £20 on Portugal. I can see them and Germany duking it out as they are the two teams without significant flaws.

Until Pepe blows up.

OH REALLY?!??!?!

http://espnfc.com/us/en/news/1109501...

Edit:

Platini:

"Yes, Blatter will do it," Platini said. "He will (introduce) the technology, but I think it's a big mistake. ... it's the beginning of the technology, the arrival of the technology."

The Amish called, even they think you're being technophobic

I don't understand the whole debate regarding 'Goal-Line' Tech. All we need is a guy in front of a couple of monitors, up in the stand who's got a direct line to the referee. If the referee can ask the 'Monitor Ref' a question and get a response inside 30 seconds or so, surely thats the best way.

Question is. We know that ball travelled over the line, but we also know the play should have been blown dead because of the offside. I've seen a lot of people saying the goal shouldn't have stood because of the offside. Whilst i agree in principle, the fact is that the play continued. What happens if they review the incident and award the goal on a play that should, rightfully have been given offside? Surely they have to award the goal, because there's no way FIFA are ever going to allow Offsides to be reviewable.

In which case Tech would have been used to award a good goal on an incorrect play.

Because your 5-man refereeing teams work so well, Michel ? If you ask the managers of any club which has played in competitions where these officials are present, they would almost unanimously ask "what are they meant to be doing ?"

What a moron that man is. It's interesting that he know believes he can oppose The Arch-Crook, as we all know it was only by attaching his tongue to the latter's sphincter that got him to his current exalted position.

Why is it that monumentally great players prove to be complete arseholes off it (cf Cruyff J, Pele, Platini M, for a start)? Is it that their egos somehow think that their skills transfer to off-the-pitch administration ?

With regard to your question, daniel, the question is what the technology is reviewing. If it reviewing whether the ball crossed the line, then yes it will be a goal. But if it is reviewing whether the goal should be awarded, then the fact it was offside means that it should not be a goal (assuming anyone can interpret the offside rule correctly, which few can). The two questions are not the same.

In cricket, when a decision is referred to the third (TV) umpire, all the elements of a decision are checked. I think that this is more difficult in football as the core issue is going to be "how far back in the move should we go ? What if it shouldn't have been a throw-in 10 seconds earlier ?"

davet010 wrote:

Without wanting to cheer up jowner too much, I'm temped to lump £20 on Portugal. I can see them and Germany duking it out as they are the two teams without significant flaws.

Until Pepe blows up.

shh you'll jinx it!

In seriousness tho I fancy them having a great shot at the finals even if the play Spain. I'm still flabbergasted at Del Bosque being so cocky in the Croatia game. How you sub off Torres (6'0) for Navas (5'7) and leave Llorente (6'4) on the bench was just asking to lose to an obvious corner in the 90th.

Only lost 1-0 to them in the last world cup in a very close game. I would rate Portugals tactics/squad this tournament as better the last time around and Spain are minus Puyol and Villa.

One of the keys is Bento is not afraid to do it ugly. The con is with Nani and Ronaldo in the squad and the LB/RB bombing down the flanks its not exactly Italy 10 men back but..... Ball possession in last 3 matches? 56% Germany, 58% Denmark, and even more surprising in a game they seemed to dominate? 58% Netherlands. The days of Deco and Rui Costa are gone. Its pretty clear the strategy is to give away possession in bad areas of the pitch and hit on the break. Key is Moutinho, Veloso and Meireles effectively clogging up that middle. Also key might be Ronaldo converting his chances at an actual decent percent. 2 goals in a game where you could of had 6 goals makes me wonder if he will just shrink back into the form of the previous 2 games.

A little part of me wanted Spain to get beat in that game - well, actually a big fat part of me if I'm honest.

And as Roy said, "there's only one stat that matters".

davet010 wrote:

A little part of me wanted Spain to get beat in that game - well, actually a big fat part of me if I'm honest.

And as Roy said, "there's only one stat that matters".

You weren't alone. I got the impression that Croatia didn't think they could score, and so didn't try. Had they gone for it in that last ten minutes, who knows.

Saying that, they'd have needed to get the ball back first.

Interesting that goal-line technology is necessary when England are seen to benefit...but it wasn't in 2010 ?

Gordon Smith, who was on the FIFA committee which looked at this issue in 2010, made the point that Blatter's objection to technology was that it couldn't be implemented as it can't be introduced at all levels. Apparently, Blatter was less than amused at Smith's response - "I'll miss floodlights."

Here's my solution to offsides, and feel free to flame away if necessary: abolish the rule. So what? As far as I can tell, it would just keep the defenders from moving forward too much in some cases. Or change it to a rule about when players may enter the other team's box (not until the ball in on that side of the field, for example).

The refs seem to get offsides wrong as often as they get it right, and it leads to wrongly blowing plays dead, which is a problem that goal-line tech or instant replay can't adequately solve.

But that'd lead to goalhanging, random punts upfield and degeneration into a ludicrous farce. I can imagine the headlines now..

SCOTLAND WIN 2016 WORLD CUP !!

Be careful what you wish for....

davet010 wrote:

But that'd lead to goalhanging, random punts upfield and degeneration into a ludicrous farce. I can imagine the headlines now..

SCOTLAND WIN 2016 WORLD CUP !!

Be careful what you wish for....

Apparently the Scottish World Cup win was so surprising that it tore a hole in the space time continuum and moved the WC to 2016

bigred wrote:
davet010 wrote:

But that'd lead to goalhanging, random punts upfield and degeneration into a ludicrous farce. I can imagine the headlines now..

SCOTLAND WIN 2016 WORLD CUP !!

Be careful what you wish for....

Apparently the Scottish World Cup win was so surprising that it tore a hole in the space time continuum and moved the WC to 2016

If Scotland won the WC in Brazil, 2016 would be the earliest point at which they would sober up and remember it.

Blackout scottish drunken rage, rip in the space continuum, tomato, tomahto

bigred wrote:

Blackout scottish drunken rage, rip in the space continuum, tomato, tomahto

Just wait until Rangers are told they won't be allowed in the SPL...I'm expecting Armageddon at that point. Or at the first 3rd division ground they visit this season.

Let's just hope the American Rangers players don't get sucked into that black hole...

bigred wrote:

Let's just hope the American Rangers players don't get sucked into that black hole...

Latest one being rumoured is that the new owners of Rangers are going to buy an English League One club (Bury are the one being identified, probable price about 50p or whatever you have in your pockets) and move them to Glasgow while remaining in the English League. While this has the benefit for them of allowing Rangers entryism into the promised lands of English soccer, there are some issues.

1. I can't see the English League hierachy voting to allow this.

2. The other clubs will hate it as (a) they will have to trawl all the way up to Glasgow for the away game, and (b) Rangers fans are notoriously bigoted drunken arseholes who cause trouble wherever they go. Any potential profit from ticket sales (and it won't be much, as the police will insist on massive segregation and controlled sales) will be more than offset by extra security costs and damage to city centres. I've seen them in action, they were in Manchester for the UEFA Cup final, 2008 - not pretty.

3. UEFA have already declared their opposition to cross-border leagues. Granted this is purely from a greed standpoint, as the prospect of an elite European League would pretty much piss all over the Chumps League, but it's still the case. The only reason they allow Cardiff and Swansea in the English league system is because they have been there for decades and would completely overbalance the Welsh leagues if made to transfer...and it has been threatened, occasionally.

I wouldn't worry about American players, bigred - if you are in the SPL, your career is basically over anyway.

Cech is beastly for Czech right now.

I wonder if anyone explained to the CR that you have to score a goal to win ? Nowhere near good enough to win that.

davet010 wrote:

I wonder if anyone explained to the CR that you have to score a goal to win ? Nowhere near good enough to win that.

Banking on the random broken play goal where the defense chokes.

Controlled but stressful. First half was waiting around to see if they would fall into the counter trap, second was pure possession domination.

Still love their chances especially vs teams that will come out and accept possession and play into the counter.