2012/13 Soccer Thread

Flippin' eck Rodwell - going to have to start sending you out in bubblewrap.

davet010 wrote:

Flippin' eck Rodwell - going to have to start sending you out in bubblewrap.

Was really sorry to see he picked up an injury again. Like the kid and want him to do well.

Read a stat that kind of shocked me, and underscored how persistent Rodwell's injury problems have been. The game against Aston Villa marked only his 58th appearance across three seasons (including appearance for both club and country).

Really hope he gets that sorted, but right now I'm not optimistic on that point.

Anybody have bets on today's Champions League matches? I'm thinking that Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid both pull out wins in close games, but don't have a lot of confidence on either point.

As for the game yikes. Santi, Arteta and Wilshere were just amazing to watch link up and even to the point it made Ramsey look like he was somehow on their level. Problem was Giroud =/= RvP.

Yes, they were great, way that Arsenal hassled Spurs at start looked very promising. Giroud wasn't much at fault, he did well to control couple of long balls, his first touch just as good as van Persie's, but he found himself in wrong positions quite often, as did Walcott. Hard question is do you need someone better for that position, or just giving him more time will solve most of the problems.

Hmm, wonder if any of the United fans currently whining about Nani's red card recall Eboue being sent off for a similar challenge at the Swamp ?

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Fergie's so naffed off he's sent his glove puppet out instead.

I remember that and it came up on twitter pretty quickly after.

and... they were both pretty harsh. Rule book correct but as far as wanting to see a great game the last thing I wanted to see was the ref get his name in the headlines.

It was also pretty shocking as the tone of the game was pretty clean to that point and the ref seemed to be doing a good job of being there but not needing to inject himself into the game.

Ronaldo was pretty meh and Di Maria going off hurt Reals chances allot. Of course all the headlines have Ronaldo injected into it somehow cause hes so special for scoring a tap in and not celebrating. Not like Modric hit an absolute thunder bolt and Lopez had some amazing saves to make sure United didn't get back in.

UCRC wrote:
As for the game yikes. Santi, Arteta and Wilshere were just amazing to watch link up and even to the point it made Ramsey look like he was somehow on their level. Problem was Giroud =/= RvP.

Yes, they were great, way that Arsenal hassled Spurs at start looked very promising. Giroud wasn't much at fault, he did well to control couple of long balls, his first touch just as good as van Persie's, but he found himself in wrong positions quite often, as did Walcott. Hard question is do you need someone better for that position, or just giving him more time will solve most of the problems.

I don't really fault Giroud the same way I didn't fault Santos. He gets picked and all he can do is go out and play to his best ability. Problem is that current ability isn't title contending quality let alone top 4 level. The flashes have been there but there isn't much consistency. We have '3 strikers' between Podolski, Walcott and Giroud yet only really play one through the middle. The current depth at the position is pretty poor and it obviously stings more considering we sold arguably the best pure striker in the world.

I have some hope money will be invested this summer because its just trending on ludicrous between the amount of money already in the bank, the new commercial deal signed, having the most expensive tickets. The Swiss Ramble football finance blog already went over Arsenals numbers a couple times and the last time he did (last August/Sept I think) he pretty much came to the conclusion that even if the club is being 'cautious' by having cash reserves the amount being held is way beyond a safe level.

Just using todays game as an example Wenger needs to really rethink he 'philosophy'. United started Giggs at the age of 39 and Welbeck kept Rooney on the bench. On the flip side Real had Benzema, Modric, Kaka on their bench.

So for United they kept a player going till he was 39 when Wenger once had a rule not to keep players past 30... and started two young players from their academy in the biggest game of their season. While Real had more money spent on their bench then Wenger would spend on his starting 11.

Look's like Rooney's had his chips then. Still, it was a puzzling decision, given that Welbeck usually carries all the threat of a wet paper towel.

Also guessing that Roy Keane has thrown away his hopes of managing Man U by departing from the script and telling it like it is - that Nani's challenge was deliberately reckless and therefore, by UEFA's definition, a red card. Nani would have got a straight red for that challenge all day long in Spain or Italy, so why not in the CL ?

The Algarve Cup tournament started just minutes ago--currently watching US v. Iceland on PPV.

davet010 wrote:

Look's like Rooney's had his chips then. Still, it was a puzzling decision, given that Welbeck usually carries all the threat of a wet paper towel.

Also guessing that Roy Keane has thrown away his hopes of managing Man U by departing from the script and telling it like it is - that Nani's challenge was deliberately reckless and therefore, by UEFA's definition, a red card. Nani would have got a straight red for that challenge all day long in Spain or Italy, so why not in the CL ?

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zonal marking also pointed out that whatever Rooneys position on the right in the first leg was he was at fault for three pretty big defensive mistakes.

Really ? I would have assumed that defending was actually the responsibility of defenders.

Still, I guess that Ferguson's tactical nous triumphed over all. Oh that's right - they got eliminated didn't they. Despite being ahead on aggregate with 35 minutes left. At home.

Maybe he can explain why he picked Vidic, who was at fault for both goals, despite Jonny Evans being "one of the best defenders in the country". His words, not mine.

Nice to see Mourinho still not giving up on his dream of managing United once SAF goes, with a charming display of arslikhan much out of keeping with his usual demeanour. No point pissing off the Glazers and burning all your boats, eh Jose ?

Oh, and I see that United have, once again, totally taken the RESPECT campaign to heart. Lovely gesture by Plug to clap the referee, and right in his face so he could see it too. I was obviously mistaken in my initial belief that this was sarcastic, because

(A) Plug is not intelligent enough to understand such a concept, and more importantly

(B) Such a show of dissent usual warrants an instant red, even after the final whistle (see Valdes, V for an example of this just last week).

Quiet dignity, always. Now just trying to avoid the handwringing journalists who are presenting their PRAVDA version of events, ignoring the handball and disallowed goal and focussing on what was the biggest ever wronging of a football team ever. Surprised Platini hasn't got back to them yet on a date for the replay.

Neville breaking down the nonsense that is the Arsenal D. Good watch and also shows that Spurs were also playing a version of Russian roulette with their high line but were able to strike first... and second ;/

Keane defends the red

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NEVER LEAVE BERBA. NEVER EVER EVER LEAVE. I <3 U.

Ah Moyes, another triumph.

Comedy Central here.

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/th...

And yes, I am tempting fate.

Haven't seen the "highlights", but it's pretty clear that we don't have the squad depth to compete for a full season right now.

That, coupled with Moyes' contract uncertainty, is squandering the great start we had to this season.

I still can't understand for the life of me why Barkley hasn't been getting more time on the pitch.

Fair play to Wigan - even outside of the horrorshow 3 1/2 minutes when they scored all their goals, sound like they outplayed us.

Moyes gone at summer, Fellaini gone at summer, possibly Baines as well now? We're probably in a relegation fight next season, instead of battling for a spot in Europe like we could have, had we been able to follow on the first half-season with... anything, really.

Dimmerswitch wrote:

Haven't seen the "highlights", but it's pretty clear that we don't have the squad depth to compete for a full season right now.

That, coupled with Moyes' contract uncertainty, is squandering the great start we had to this season.

I still can't understand for the life of me why Barkley hasn't been getting more time on the pitch.

Fair play to Wigan - even outside of the horrorshow 3 1/2 minutes when they scored all their goals, sound like they outplayed us.

Moyes gone at summer, Fellaini gone at summer, possibly Baines as well now? We're probably in a relegation fight next season, instead of battling for a spot in Europe like we could have, had we been able to follow on the first half-season with... anything, really.

Spurs are just as thin IMO but their best player is mini Ronaldo right now... and speaking of Spurs I was a Liverpool fan for exactly the length of that match. Looking at their bench vs Liverpool it was looking very very thin indeed especially compared to Liverpools who could at least claim they had a bunch of promising youth prospects.

Going to be a really interesting run in for 3-5th. You wouldn't have rated Liverpool to be in the mix a couple of weeks ago but looking at their schedule if they hit some form they could even sneak into 4th. They could honestly get 12 in their next 4 and be right in the thick of it.

Also don't mind QPR making a race out of it at the bottom. Not going to wish regulation on QPR just cause of Harry when I would rather see Wigan go down. Its just a shame Stoke is to far from getting dragged into the bottom.

Song of the day from Old Trafford, from the Chelsea fans..

"We'll race you back to London"

How do you not love Messi? Great first half, can't wait for second.

I'm not sure Milan has been so decisively thrashed since Frederick Barbarossa beat down the Lombard League in 1162.

Really expected (and was kind of rooting for) a 3-1 win to Barcelona - their defense still looks really porous, and I would not have put money on them to keep a clean sheet.

Currently wishing 2 things:

1 - I had watched the Barcelona game. (Barva v Milan or HOTS was a close one, but HOTS won)
2 - I had put my money where my mouth was after the 1st leg and put the bet on!

Oh well, glad they went through anyway!

Edit: Wilshere out for 3 weeks - no chance for Arsenal tomorrow and he'll be sorely missed in the league too..

Dimmerswitch wrote:

I'm not sure Milan has been so decisively thrashed since Frederick Barbarossa beat down the Lombard League in 1162.

Really expected (and was kind of rooting for) a 3-1 win to Barcelona - their defense still looks really porous, and I would not have put money on them to keep a clean sheet.

AC were pretty awful. Waiting for the Zonal Marking write up to try and dissect whether it was Barca making them that awful or just plain bad play/tactics. The not so secret secret might be that Phillip Mexes is actually very very average.

edit: From twitter I can tell theres going to be a pile on the obvious Iniesta/Cesc combo isn't working and it was allot about Villa in Cesc out.

Hey, didn't Lombards win in the end?

UCRC wrote:

Hey, didn't Lombards win in the end?

Sure, eventually - but in 1162 Frederick Barbarossa sacked Milan, and burned every building that wasn't a church down to the ground.

Dimmerswitch wrote:
UCRC wrote:

Hey, didn't Lombards win in the end?

Sure, eventually - but in 1162 Frederick Barbarossa sacked Milan, and burned every building that wasn't a church down to the ground.

And he wasn't banned because Howard Webb didn't see it.

That was pretty dreadful... Bayern should be thoroughly embarrassed.

edit: Not understanding all the praise for what Arsenal did.

Sure the scoreline was 2-0 but Bayern were horrendous and Arsenal snatched 2 random goals.

Some really bad individual performances by Arsenal also. Giroud could of came off... you know if we actually had another Striker to put on.

If anyone again uses the term ' the romance of the FA Cup', just point them to tonight's farce.

FA Cup QUARTER-FINAL, between two Championship teams (Blackburn vs Millwall).

Attendance - 8,635.
Number of Millwall fans in attendance - c.200

Having seen the game at the weekend, I'm surprised there was that many there.

jowner wrote:

That was pretty dreadful... Bayern should be thoroughly embarrassed.

edit: Not understanding all the praise for what Arsenal did.

Sure the scoreline was 2-0 but Bayern were horrendous and Arsenal snatched 2 random goals.

Some really bad individual performances by Arsenal also. Giroud could of came off... you know if we actually had another Striker to put on.

Hey, let's praise them for once. Fact is that Arsenal was beaten on away goals by one of favourites, for once I won't be nitpicking on performance.

(Maybe because I didn't see it but instead chose to play football myself ;])

UCRC wrote:
jowner wrote:

That was pretty dreadful... Bayern should be thoroughly embarrassed.

edit: Not understanding all the praise for what Arsenal did.

Sure the scoreline was 2-0 but Bayern were horrendous and Arsenal snatched 2 random goals.

Some really bad individual performances by Arsenal also. Giroud could of came off... you know if we actually had another Striker to put on.

Hey, let's praise them for once. Fact is that Arsenal was beaten on away goals by one of favourites, for once I won't be nitpicking on performance.

(Maybe because I didn't see it but instead chose to play football myself ;])

Fabianski (who I forgot we had) played well and apparently is the best organizer of the defense according to... Jens Lehman. Who would know because he actually coaches? (coached to lazy to check) in the team. The back 5 actually looked pretty good. Or Bayern were just horrendously wasteful? :/

Which just means this creates a selection problem for Wenger. A solution could be a fight club/battle royale. 2 Poles enter 1 pole exits.

Thats as positive as I'll go.

Speaking of pleasant comebacks, this is very entertaining.

RE: Inter-Tottenham

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All getting a bit too silly i'd say.

William Gallas

Barcelona will face David Beckham's side Paris St Germain -- he is the only English player left in the competition.

LOL

and Spurs are rewarded with Basel which means 2 more games that they could should win. Problem is I think the extra games are starting to sink in and they might actually crash out fielding weaker teams.

Need some help from Fullham this weekend

Tim Howard out with broken bones from being constantly knocked down during that Oldham replay (still can't understand how nobody got ejected from all the barging into our keeper during that match), and without Jagielka, whose anklebone is still exposed after that rash challenge from Le Fondre in the opening minutes of the Reading match.

Tomorrow is likely to be a long day for Everton fans.