2012/13 Soccer Thread

Haven't seen any longer highlights or full game of City in over a month or so, so I might be surprise to me alone, but it's staggering how disorganised/confused the midfield is.

Looks like it's up to Yaya Toure alone again to get them out of trouble

Jammy one for the scumbags.

Great work from Nasri for 3-2.

edit: But I guess it's all fair because United should've been three up after that Young's disallowed goal that wasn't offside.

On that basis, Arsenal should have drawn 0-0 with West Brom.

davet010 wrote:

On that basis, Arsenal should have drawn 0-0 with West Brom.

No. Lost 1-0.

That was one of the most exciting ends to a match I have ever seen. Jelavic nets the winner 88 seconds after Everton equalized. Today is a good day.

bleh missed the game.

Nice one from Everton. And that means we have 9 teams within 4 points fighting over 4th spot.

davet010 wrote:

On that basis, Arsenal should have drawn 0-0 with West Brom.

NOT SURE IF SERIOUS

Since I'm pasting a lot of funny moving pictures recently, this can't be omitted:

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Dear me. Good job Arsene played a full strength(ish) team against that League Two side...oh.

You don't win anything with Chamakhs.

edit: 4 wins for Arsenal in last 15. Whoa.

According to Sky, Arsenal fans are meeting with Gazidis to 'air their concerns'. But Pep excluded, who else is out there ?

It's got to get worse before it gets better or something right?

Gotta love the footy media. On queue an unnamed source has said that peps preferred destination is obviously Arsenal. Reasons? Obvious ones you can come up with like Chelsea is to unstable.

Courtesy of goal.com so I'm sure the 'source' whipped that one up in 5 seconds flat.

Real question I have is what would it take for Wenger to pretty much come out and say he's done after this year and the board can actively pursue a guy like like Pep. I'm terrified by the possibility that Wenger holds on for dear life.

I think it's pretty apparent that no matter how much money Wenger has he's just to frugal. It's his etched in stone philosophy. If he can sell Anelka and buy Henry he possibly gets more satisfaction out of that then winning. Problem is those days are over and he's signing guys like gervinho at no where near the Henry prices and no comment on the quality difference.

I say give him 12 months, let's see what happens to extra money we've just got from sponsorship deal.

UCRC wrote:

I say give him 12 months, let's see what happens to extra money we've just got from sponsorship deal.

But when was the last time you heard of Arsene going to the Board for cash and not getting it ? He spent plenty of cash over summer and they are just about in the Europa League places. World class players rarely get moved in January, so who's he going to be buying ?

Alan Davies: "he sent the first eleven to a league side two and lost...."

Great podcast by them this week. They went north to watch the game with two Bradford podcasters.

I didn't see the game. But from what I've read and listened to and all the matches leading up... I think he's lost the dressing room and unlike fergie he isn't going to kick a boot in anyone's face or hair dry them.

Also via the guardian podcast the huntelaar rumors have some weight.

His contract is up at the end of the year so why he might be available...

But he's 29... Never really impressed me as that good. Would be the perfect trap signing for Wenger. Not clearly out and out great quality and would cost decent wages and get stuck on the books for past his already past good date. So a podolski 2.0

If anything if Wenger wants to make a splash and shake up the side with a clear cut star sneijder is the guy. And it will never happen.

But Sneijder strikes me as a very similar player to Cazorla, plus he's a massive moaner and soft-arse who likes to be the centre of attention.

Huntelaar could be good, but I think he needs a lot of chances to score and his confidence seems low after Euro 2012.

davet010 wrote:

But Sneijder strikes me as a very similar player to Cazorla, plus he's a massive moaner and soft-arse who likes to be the centre of attention.

Huntelaar could be good, but I think he needs a lot of chances to score and his confidence seems low after Euro 2012.

Lots of chances? he might get one a game in the current arsenal squad....

As for Sneijder I agree but who cares? We thought rvp to united was overkill. Sure the money could be spent better elsewhere but the assumption is there's a clear player you can go get instead. Bottom line my reasoning is Sneijder is if he's actually available for a cut price why not? I rather one of him with no clear place to play over gervinho, arshavin, squilacci, djourou etc all clogging up spots.

Edit: it's a team of few 8s many 7s and allot of 6s clogging up the bench. Why not bring in an potential 9. Wilshere Santi and Sneijder all at once? Who cares quality players will sort it out.

I want to see 2 up top. Pair Giroud with Walcott, Podolski, or Huntellear if he comes in. Giroud has shown he is very adept at playing the holding role and laying off quick one or two touch assists for goals. But....you need someone to lay it off to...

UEFA Serious On Racism - Number 23 in a continuing series.

IMAGE(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63819000/jpg/_63819319_63819317.jpg) Racist chanting and assault

IMAGE(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/46094/article_a4d66b9e1f464ffc_1339765775_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg) 5 sec flash of betting company name on underpants.

One of these was deemed worthy of a £65k fine, one of an £80k fine. Can you guess which was which ?

UEFA - 75% as serious about eliminating racism as they are about appeasing their sponsors.

davet010 wrote:
UCRC wrote:

I say give him 12 months, let's see what happens to extra money we've just got from sponsorship deal.

But when was the last time you heard of Arsene going to the Board for cash and not getting it ? He spent plenty of cash over summer and they are just about in the Europa League places. World class players rarely get moved in January, so who's he going to be buying ?

Yeah, that's why I said 12 instead of six - he would need to do most of his business in the summer.

As for money being available to him prior to now - I just don't know. I don't want to say one way or the other, because all details concerning financial details are being murky (money was supposedly there, but was it all available to the manager?), and to say that Wenger doesn't spend just because he's really frugal can't be the whole story.
You say that he always got money from the Board, but the only thing we know for sure is that Arsenal has been running a massive net profit on transfers (£50M) in last six years. And this is pretty much only solid number (well, this and wages, I guess) that we can base our discussion about transfer funds available on.

So, considering this, isn't that a fair attitude to take in this regard?

I'll be shocked the day Wenger goes for a player over 20m pounds.

As for the money is it there? Hard to say as the manager would never ask. What we can measure is the revenue vs costs and the club is very healthy from what public info we have.

worst case is he sticks around with his same old philosophy. We will buy players on the cheap who can be great value (santi, maybe giroud, mertersaker) vs players who flop and still cost decent prices with the wages also (arshavin, gervinho).

Don't think we have to worry about losing players anymore as we have none other clubs want. That should be a telling sign. (Not really counting Walcott as he would ride a top clubs bench and Sagna I've become indifferent on)

Problem is none of those recent players are a clear cut stars. No 9 or 10s in that list.

Also a stat I forgot they mentioned on the Tuesday club podcast is that Wenger use to be automatic vs lower sides in cups. Remember that loss to Burnley 3-4 years ago? That was the first under his watch. Now it's just common and accepted...

Every summer for the last few years the Arsenal Board has said 'there's money there if he wants it'. And in his latest pronouncement today, Wenger has said that he's going to continue his policy of raiding other team's youth setups...err, sorry 'bringing players through the Arsenal ranks', given that the last genuinely home-grown player they produced was one A.Cole.

So there are two possibilities. Either the Board is lying and he's actually been told to run a positive inflow transfer policy, or Wenger has had funds available but prefers not to spend them on big name players but to buy middling talent who will be compliant but peak at a lower level. Give him 12 months by all means, give him as long as you like - I'd much rather he was there than, say, Mourinho.

davet010 wrote:

So there are two possibilities. Either the Board is lying and he's actually been told to run a positive inflow transfer policy, or Wenger has had funds available but prefers not to spend them on big name players but to buy middling talent who will be compliant but peak at a lower level.

That's pretty much what I was saying.

Also, I am not saying that giving him that extra time is the best solution here. I just think that taking attitude of "well he clearly hasn't produced results despite money being there to spend" is very myopic. I guess if we could get ourselves Mourinho at this point, we should.
But we can't.

As for youth policy - I'm still all for that. After all, that's probably the most probable way for Arsenal to get really talented players: seeing as we can't compete financially for Hazards and Falcaos of this world anymore, I'd very much like us to poach few new Fabregases.
And it's a bit of myth by now that Arsenal have been over-reliant on young players - after all for past two seasons the crux of this team have been players like Mertesacker, Sagna, Arteta, all of them nearly thirty.
Age doesn't really matter if they are crappy players

UCRC wrote:

As for youth policy - I'm still all for that. After all, that's probably the most probable way for Arsenal to get really talented players: seeing as we can't compete financially for Hazards and Falcaos of this world anymore, I'd very much like us to poach few new Fabregases.
And it's a bit of myth by now that Arsenal have been over-reliant on young players - after all for past two seasons the crux of this team have been players like Mertesacker, Sagna, Arteta, all of them nearly thirty.
Age doesn't really matter if they are crappy players ;)

For the past 1.3 seasons Arteta and Mertesacker....

Were in the limbo of the next generation Wenger youth era completely imploding.

Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Djourou, Adebayor, Walcott, Song, Trarore, Merida, Senderos.... and a dozen other names you would remember following Arsenal that never really cracked past the reserves but names preceded them by a mile because they were

1. Signed by Wenger so they must be special
2. Arsenal develops players so well they will be amazing.

oh yea Nasri, RvP and Cesc. Who just outgrew the club.

As for signing the Hazards. The fee? we can afford. The wages we could also but they are terrified in bringing in a player at a high wage as that might inflate the wages of the rest of the squad. Or you could tell those other guys as they come up on contracts to walk on the open market. Kinda like Djourou should of. Who would of paid him honestly? Arsenal pretty much paid a premium to ride our bench because he might of got a slightly lower contract to actually play and develop a career.

This Jan transfer window will be telling. Unless some miracle instant turnaround for him to point to the squad is weak and he needs to spend. Hard sell to the fans to stand relatively pat this Jan while still being outside 4th place.

I 100% predict him to stand pat btw. Problem is im conflicted between him failing and continuing. I'm completely sure if he continues it will be year 9 10 etc without seriously competing. At the same time I don't want to see him crash so hard it becomes apparent he has to resign and destroy his own legacy.

jowner wrote:

Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Djourou, Adebayor, Walcott, Song, Trarore, Merida, Senderos.... and a dozen other names you would remember following Arsenal that never really cracked past the reserves but names preceded them by a mile because they were

1. Signed by Wenger so they must be special
2. Arsenal develops players so well they will be amazing.

Like I said, I don't see a problem with that per sep - every big club develops handful of average players and then moves them on. Only problem was always with recruitment of more experienced players and just because we've been over-reliant on youth in past seasons doesn't mean we should give up on it altogether. I can appreciate Wenger's intransigence in that matter. Here, I said it.

Nice to see Brendan Rodgers has swiftly adopted the characteristics of the Scouser - a huge capacity for unfunny comedy and stratospheric levels of self-delusion. In this morning's paper, he was telling Liverpool fans that they wouldn't be settling for being in the top 4, but were going for the top two. I wonder if he was musing about how to achieve that when they were 3-0 down at home to Aston Villa ? Or maybe he meant top two of the bottom half of the table ?

Nice to see Sunderland turn up to OT and put in their usual sterling effort. Have a watch out for O'Shea's through ball for van Persie, truly delightful.