2012/13 Soccer Thread

Much as I hate to appear to defend Nazio and their appalling fans, the only suspects arrested thus far in connection with the attacks on Spurs supporters have actually been Roma supporters. Of course, that doesn't excuse the in-game anti-semitic chants which have been alleged. Let's see if UEFA make them do more than provide a grudging apology...I seem to remember that Mihailajavich's 'apology' vs Arsenal looked about as sincere as Liberace.

I think I've disagreed with all 3 subs Wenger has made so far.

ugh.

jowner wrote:

I think I've disagreed with all 3 subs Wenger has made so far.

ugh.

Looks like he heard you - he just doesn't care.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...

I'm also interested to hear him repeat his views on overstated endorsements and sponsorships after the announcement of a £100m plus deal with Emirates....oh, yes, right. It's OK when it's your club.

I guess the shortest reply to that is to point out that the chairman of our sponsor isn't a brother of Stan Kroenke. Hard to imagine, I know.

davet010 wrote:
jowner wrote:

I think I've disagreed with all 3 subs Wenger has made so far.

ugh.

Looks like he heard you - he just doesn't care.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...

I'm also interested to hear him repeat his views on overstated endorsements and sponsorships after the announcement of a £100m plus deal with Emirates....oh, yes, right. It's OK when it's your club.

I honestly question if hes past it. 8 years is closer to a decade without winning anything. Hes pretty much never won anything in the Prem when there was 3 good teams at once. Europe? oh we have 13 straight years of round of 16 qualification. Can hang our hat next to the finishing in the top 4 streak and pretend 'thats like winning'.

Must be the first time a manager has been booed while being introduced to the fans of his new team.

Christ, City fans didn't even do that to Alan Ball - I seem to remember it taking a few games....getting beaten 4-0 and 6-0 in the same week by Liverpool didn't increase his popularity. I remember being at his last match in charge, away to Stoke - both sets of fans chanting 'f**k off Alan Ball', Stoke fans hated him after a previous spell in charge.

What do people think of Huntelear possibly coming to Arsenal given Girouds recent form?

bigred wrote:

What do people think of Huntelear possibly coming to Arsenal given Girouds recent form?

Form of being subbed off while actually being in good form?

Also what pipe are you smoking that were going to stump up the cash to buy:
A fairly decent striker, from a team in the CL knock out stage who will be cup tied, who also happen to be German so don't need money unless were going to pay stupid money.

Just saw highlights of Chelsea - City. I'm being very generous with my wording here, I know. Possibly worse than Villa - Arsenal yesterday?

One thing that caught attention, though - Zabaleta. I like watching him make those forward runs and cut inside instead of going wide. Every time I'm watching City and he's on the pitch, he gets involved in a lot of attacks. Is Mancini not using him all the time because he's poor defensively, or what's the story?

I don't care about Huntelaar. He's a solid striker, I guess, and that's it. But so is Podolski or Giroud.

Zab is a big fan favourite at City, and plays most games though he has had a couple of small niggling injuries lately. Mancini seems to be playing Maicon if we are going 3-5-2, because the quality of his crossing is a little higher, though I'd have been more excited about Maicon three seasons ago than I am now. While on the subject of defence, I'm gradually coming to the thought that Nastasic for £7m plus the mistake-in-waiting that was Savic was one of the bargains of the season...he's very calm for a 19 yr old.

Fair point about the quality of the game, though I'd have to say I'm a bit happier with a point at Chelsea than Arsene should be with a point against a Villa side full of kids and no-name players who City thrashed the arse off last week.

Huntelaar's career seems to have gone off the boil a little since he moved from Dutch football, he didn't really get a fair shot at RM or AC Milan, but he's got 40 in 70 or so for Schalke and I think is a step up from Giroud, although it's fair to say the two are slightly different types of player. His confidence seems a little low this season after the farce that was the Netherland's showing in the Euro's.

jowner wrote:
bigred wrote:

What do people think of Huntelear possibly coming to Arsenal given Girouds recent form?

Form of being subbed off while actually being in good form?

Also what pipe are you smoking that were going to stump up the cash to buy:
A fairly decent striker, from a team in the CL knock out stage who will be cup tied, who also happen to be German so don't need money unless were going to pay stupid money.

This pipe: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...

bigred wrote:
jowner wrote:
bigred wrote:

What do people think of Huntelear possibly coming to Arsenal given Girouds recent form?

Form of being subbed off while actually being in good form?

Also what pipe are you smoking that were going to stump up the cash to buy:
A fairly decent striker, from a team in the CL knock out stage who will be cup tied, who also happen to be German so don't need money unless were going to pay stupid money.

This pipe: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...

Of all the sports in the world soccer transfer rumors are by the most tabloid like tripe you will ever read.

Arsenal are also supposedly in for for Stewart downing... at a cut price of 10m.

Much is explained.

http://deadspin.com/5963070/man-city...

I'm thinking that while Toure was playing away from home, City had some car salesman clogging up the bench. That might explain the fat sod's ever-blossoming girth and his complete inability to play centre half. Another of Agent Hughes's super Premiership buys (see also Adebayor E, Santa Cruz R).

davet010 wrote:

Much is explained.

http://deadspin.com/5963070/man-city...

I'm thinking that while Toure was playing away from home, City had some car salesman clogging up the bench. That might explain the fat sod's ever-blossoming girth and his complete inability to play centre half. Another of Agent Hughes's super Premiership buys (see also Adebayor E, Santa Cruz R).

LOL

like how deadspin thinks 90k a week is a large wage and means hes a 'big star'.

Pretty sure 90k a week at City is what the groundsmen make also ;P

I have a hard time slagging Kolo off as it was clear at the time he was going to get paid and frankly he was past his best days.

I have an easy time slagging of Wenger because he did a pretty poor job shoring up the defense when he sold Kolo off. Pretty sure Sylvestre and Squillaci were two of the guys that came soon after to try and give us depth at CB.

le sigh.

90k a week would do me fine - and I'd count as 'home-grown'

I do think that among modern soccer's ills is its lack of chunky footballers...Kolo notwithstanding. Long gone are the days when I could look out from the terraces at a player like Hull's Billy Whitehurst and think 'Christ, I'm as athletic as him...and probably not as pissed'.

I was going to 'treat' you to a picture of mid-90's pisshead Gerry 'Ale-can' Creaney, but decided against it. He once split his shorts bending down to do up his shoelaces when City played Burnley in a preseason friendly, to general hilarity.

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Midweek thoughts.

1. How on earth does Martin O'Neill still keep getting management jobs ?

2. What is AVB smoking, and where can I get some ? Following on from his hilarious after-match interview post-Emirates, he now reckons Jermaine Defoe is as good as Falcao. Nurse, the restraints !!

In other news, apparently M.Platini has privately conceded that the Europa League is a farce (coo, only taken him about 6 years to work that out) and that his preferred remedy is....an expanded Champs League.

What, like it needs to get any bigger ? It's already a bloated, wallowing corporate mess. So now you are going to let even more teams in - how is that going to work ?

European Super League by stealth, more like.

Actually - while I was having coffee, I had a thought (...waits for inevitable comments...we done ?), and now the more I think about it, the more this might prove to be a clever move for UEFA.

1. More teams means more groups - let's say it doubles in size to 16 groups.

2. The teams who would normally go into the CL group stages will almost all go into pots 1 and 2, which are now 16 teams each.

3. Et voila ! Pot 4 no longer has the likes of Borussia Dortmund, but the 3rd team in the Bulgarian Premiership, therefore....

4. No more 'Groups of Death'.

5. As the top 2 in each group go through, you are now left with a final 32 that sponsors and TV companies will like, while appearing to widen the participation of smaller nations, whose teams will still make money as they are now more likely to make the group stages than get spannered out in the qualifiers. And as far as the 'Big Clubs' are concerned, the only increase is 2 games as there is now a round of 32.

And now. for your delictation...a list of management salaries world wide. Pretty up-to-date, and even got Twitcher's salary for QPR (€4m).

http://www.pluriconsultoria.com.br/u...

Scrappy performance and we deserved the win, but full marks to Arsenal for taking advantage of Everton's inability to defend during the first (or final) five minutes of a match this season.

Nice to see Pienaar finally decide to play a bit - think that's more I've seen from him today than in the entire time since converting his loan back to a full-time gig.

Baines likely to be out in our next match at City though, which I don't expect to go well.

I'd be fine if they kept the Europa League, if they just actually work to make it interesting, which would mean going back to the old format, a straight knockout tournament, and stop letting in everybody who didn't do so well in the CL. The UEFA Cup group phase is a bloated, worthless mess.

Seed it (or don't). Straight knockout.

Meanwhile, a point isn't great, but i'll take it.

You know it's bad when I'm constantly yelling "GIVE IT TO JENKINSON, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING!" Terrible first half for Arsenal. Who is this team?

Wow, what an end and Swansea deserve it. Arsenal are just terrible. The highlight of the game for the Gunners was Rosicky coming on who at least actively tried to seek out Giroud instead of Verm/Mert like the rest of the center midfield.

Better against better teams. Much happier with today's point than most of our draws this season.

No idea why Dzeko was left in so long - in the second half he was just making some terrible choices.

What a disaster.

Its good thing the clubs books are in order because missing the CL wont sink them and thats what it might take to get Wenger out.

The guy has so much goodwill built up he can throw out the same old tactics and philosophy and not be questioned on it.

Giroud has been maybe the most in form player recently so what does he do? Sit him for a just back Gervinho. Who btw might be the worst signing ever by Wenger.

If anything Santi needs a rest but no he throws him out there again to work a miracle.

Weren't Arsenal fans having some sort of march before the game to complain about things ? Unless Arsene can point to players he's tried to buy (or keep) and not been given the resources for, then a lot of the problems have to be laid at his door.

One thing I did enjoy, though, was Chelsea game

edit: BTW, today is a great day for watching European football - Bayern playing Borussia right now, Real - Atletico at 10pm CET.

This Reading vs United game is... f*cking insane.

As if our midfield woes weren't enough, now we have the back four falling apart in more ways than one. ANd ffs, fergie needs to pick THE goalie. I vote the ugly one.

Awesome link-ups to our goals though. Loving all these little back flicks.

davet010 wrote:

Weren't Arsenal fans having some sort of march before the game to complain about things ? Unless Arsene can point to players he's tried to buy (or keep) and not been given the resources for, then a lot of the problems have to be laid at his door.

There was a protest about how the club is being run. People are starting to really question exactly what Kronke's long term plan is. I don't think anyone minds if he owns the club and makes a tidy penny on its valuation rising but the real fear is if the club start paying out dividends.

As for Wenger hes the perfect type of manager for them. Has consistently got the financial results and you could sign him a 100m pound cheque and he wouldn't cash it. Even more ludicrous is he will let a player like RvP leave because its the prudent financial decision. He would make a great banker.

Anyone who thinks the money isn't there is just trying to be a Arsene apologist. They are rolling in Scrooge McDuck levels of money in a vault somewhere.

I have 0 trust in the board sorting this out either. None of them are actually Arsenal fans or in it to win like Roman and the Sheiks so as long as the balance sheet is tidy thats their CL trophy.

Will be interesting if potentially missing the CL shakes them into action. They realistically have the type of cash to take a run at Guardiola and promise him a huge transfer kit that could even get a guy like Falcao. I would put that at like 1% probability tho.

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If I didn't no what a racist man ever look like....surely found that out at millwall today #ruthless fans

I think Guardiola is gonna come to United. Not as excited about that as some are, but all the signs seem to point to United topping his 'next-to-do' list.