2012/13 Soccer Thread

Wow, you'd think AVB had just won the league. Try winning 6-1 at a canter there, then you can dance about.

And why do half the Spurs fans look like they are wearing makeup ? Or is that just me ?

EDIT - And now Ferguson is whining that the ref only, yes ONLY played 4 minutes of added time. By his logic, every game should have at least 3 minutes, if there are six substitutions. Plus time added for injuries etc. But that isn't the case is it ? It wasn't the case when Fergie was tapping his watch at the fourth official at the end of their game against Sunderland last season, after only 2 and a half minutes.

jowner wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Not a bad result, go to the team in 4th, have 70% possession, 20 shots and go home with the 3 points. Silva getting back to his form of last season.

PK was a joke.

and.... United are also. Good job spending the remainder of the budget on RvP.

SAF will be hat in hand to the Glazers to buy him a backbone in midfield.

edit: At a boy AVB ;D

the only time I'm happy to see Spurs win.

We've been saying this for four years already. No dice.

Pikey26 wrote:
jowner wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Not a bad result, go to the team in 4th, have 70% possession, 20 shots and go home with the 3 points. Silva getting back to his form of last season.

PK was a joke.

and.... United are also. Good job spending the remainder of the budget on RvP.

SAF will be hat in hand to the Glazers to buy him a backbone in midfield.

edit: At a boy AVB ;D

the only time I'm happy to see Spurs win.

We've been saying this for four years already. No dice.

So you're happy that Scholes has come out of retirement to run the midfield then?

comeon Uniteds form has been suspect. I have no clue whats left in the transfer kit but I suspect two players for 30 would of been much better spent then RvP for 24m around.

Dave's right, considering how poor Tottenham played in that second half AVB could have reacted a bit more gracefully.

UCRC wrote:

Dave's right, considering how poor Tottenham played in that second half AVB could have reacted a bit more gracefully.

Was little much but I liked it

Guy has been hounded since he got to England and flamed out at Chelsea. Thats pretty much his best result to date no?

Hes been dying to put down a marker so the media could get off his back.

He looked like a child. They were hanging on for grim death against a team with a central defensive partnership who were more amusing than Laurel and Hardy, a goalkeeper who didn't exactly inspire confidence (how bad do they think the £17m De Gea is if this guy is keeping him out, if he ain't injured ?) and a static midfield. And AVB is dancing around like his Chalfonts are killing him. And he still has questions to answer about why they splurged £12m on Lloris if he's happy with Friedel.

Well, I don't know where Borisov is, or what BATE stands for, but I'm raising a beer to them tonight.

BATE 3 Bayern Arrogant 1

Up yours, Rummenigge ! Right up yours, Clown !!

Random fact: It's where Berezine Crossing of infamous Napoleon's 1812 campaign to Russia happened.

Draw your own parallels.

edit: Teams on 6 pts so far: Barcelona, Man Utd, BATE.

Nothing ends well once you start getting Cossacks involved.

Its to bad Bayerns group isn't a tad more competitive because that result could actually cost them. I doubt it by the end in that group tho.

Turn on the game... Gervinho offside. :/ having Adebayor flash backs.

What a game! Man City could be thankful that they're only one goal down. And I can't begin to describe how weird it is to watch Polish players showing football skills

edit: I guess what's really impressive is how Borussia keeps attacking with numbers even though they're leading already.
(I'm writing this all in 70th minute, partly in case Borussia collapses, so we can all remember how well they've played up till this point ;])

And yet City could (should) have been 3-0 up in the first 15 minutes.

Good point though, Dortmund should go pretty far this season.

davet010 wrote:

And yet City could (should) have been 3-0 up in the first 15 minutes.

Yeah, but overall they were distinctly second-best in that game.

And if they'd scored once or twice in the opening period, would that still have been the case ?

jowner wrote:
Pikey26 wrote:
jowner wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Not a bad result, go to the team in 4th, have 70% possession, 20 shots and go home with the 3 points. Silva getting back to his form of last season.

PK was a joke.

and.... United are also. Good job spending the remainder of the budget on RvP.

SAF will be hat in hand to the Glazers to buy him a backbone in midfield.

edit: At a boy AVB ;D

the only time I'm happy to see Spurs win.

We've been saying this for four years already. No dice.

So you're happy that Scholes has come out of retirement to run the midfield then?

comeon Uniteds form has been suspect. I have no clue whats left in the transfer kit but I suspect two players for 30 would of been much better spent then RvP for 24m around.

I am happy that he came out of the retirement.

I am NOT happy that he NEEDED to come out of retirement to rescue us. We should NOT have found ourselves in that place... yet even to the most humble layman the midfield gap was apparent for well before it came to this.

But for whatever reason Fergie seems to think otherwise. Perhaps Cleverley has this super secret power no one's managed to see in public yet that only Fergie knows about (no he doesnt).

I'm getting tired of reading "That was a great win but it was not vintage Arsenal"

Did Jose always speak like Borat and I simply haven't noticed?

I'm so bored that I'm about to watch the Highland derby (Inverness vs Ross County) for the first time in the SPL.

Known as The Cold Firm, amusingly enough.

3-0, could have been a lot lot more.

Nothing like beating the Walrus. Some nice goals, too.

Almost as amusing as seeing Rangers lose 1-0 to Stirling Albion, who started the day bottom of Scottish Division 3. Rangers are only 3rd in a division in which I am pretty certain they are the only professional side.

Maybe they should flirt McCoist off and appoint me - I only dropped 2 points all season when I took the out of SD3 in my FM12 game.

Karma: Vaz Te leaves his foot in just to kick Mannone's head, trips, ends up in hospital with dislocated shoulder.

ARTETAWATCH: 111 passes with 95% ratio, bringing his average to 96 completed/game

Actually, all passsing stats look interesting:

IMAGE(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/img/pass.png)

What this table is missing is distinction between passes back, laterally and forward, but it's still interesting. You can tell how big Mata's and Cazorla's contributions are by looking at key passes (KP) and through balls (TB).

More over-analysed and pointless statistics to amuse those who think that soccer should be more like baseball. What exactly is a 'key pass' ? Mata has made 0.5 of a 'through ball' - what, per game ? Chelsea have played 7 games in the Premiership this season and 2 CL games...so WTF is 0.5 of a TB...it either comes off or it doesn't.

Anyone who has watched any games this season will have seen that Gerrard has been utterly wretched, and that Carrick's speciality is the Wilkins-esque 10 yard sideways pass. So what use is this table, exactly, other than to give programmers something to do. Are QPR going to leap up the table ? Are Liverpool anything other than undercooked sh*te ?

Hey, obviously stats don't tell the whole story, or even half of it, and I'm not a fan of Moneyball-induced bullsh*t, but dismissing them wholly and totally is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Sometimes if you want to know if someone is really good you have choice of either relying on stats to inform your opinion or you fall victim to your own myopia or, worse even, football pundits' and commentators'.

Through ball is every pass through opposition defence for a player to run into. Doesn't have to lead to goalscoring opportunity.
Key pass is a pass leading to goal attempt, but not a goal. Goalless assist in other words.

All those numbers are averages per game. 0.5 TB for Mata means he's completed three through ball passes in six games. 1TB for Cazorla means seven through passes in seven games. Here's why I get so excited thinking about them.

As for Carrick's sideways passes - well, look at my previous post, I made that point exactly. But that's easy to fix as well. Good stats have a breakdown of forward/sideways/backward passes.

So, what's use is this table? It tells you which midfielders are good at retaining ball (Arteta, Allen) and which create chances for their teams with passing (Cazorla, Mata, Yaya Toure). No more and no less than that.

Playing James Perch at centreback leaves you vulnerable to corners, crosses, and the like. What a shock! Not like the side needed investment this summer anyway.

As for the numbers, I love them provided they're collected correctly (a consistent definition and counting is the bare minimum). The top soccer leagues (and even MLS) have a lot better data than the National Hockey League.

Consistently counting and tracking events/things can help lead us to a greater understanding of the game. My interest in baseball at this point is entirely due to the statistical analysis and my interest waning in ice-hockey would have died in the past few years if not for the newer statistical analysis satisfying some intellectual curiosity. Real gains have been made in understanding player value and what leads to winning in ice-hockey and I see no reason why the same can't be true of soccer.

It's early in the season so you have to mentally check for strength of opposition and general randomness but Cazorla looks outstanding there.

Edit: Thought I'd add a BATE thought. In FM11 & FM12 they have a pretty awesome Belarusian named "Bressan" who can be bought for cheap. I don't know if he's still with them or if he's any good, but he played a big role in a couple of my sides.

Obviously Liverpool having 2 players in the passing table helped them no end once again.

American sports need these sort of things to make them remotely interesting (baseball's ok, the NFL is just moronic chess on steroids, and the only thing that can make the NBA interesting would be by making it a death sport.). Soccer doesn't. There's only one table that matters, and that one can't be argued about.

You're a gem Dave.

Blech, only one point? I would've liked to have seen us take all three, although on balance, Southampton should've won.

(Bows politely)

Fulham did well in the second half, but they are a lightweight proposition without Berbatov. Southampton don't seem to have enough about them to keep out of trouble.

Also, kudos to Brad Friedel for that 310-match streak, which finally came to an end. Seriously, AVB, just admit you brought in Lloris to replace him. We all know you did, but Brad's still clearly good enough to start somewhere.