Microsoft Surface

I never will read anything related to Gawker.

There is a huge gulf anyone who isn't Apple has to get over. It's just funny that if Apple releases something and it's not perfect, it is excused but with any other platform it's supposed to be AT the same level as the iPad. iOS 6 has terrible maps? Tech journalists say they'll get better. Windows 8/Android lack X, IT IS HORRIBLE. I don't get it.

Playing with Windows 8 right now has me really, really interested in a Surface. I really like the Metro interface and think it would just come alive on a tablet.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Playing with Windows 8 right now has me really, really interested in a Surface. I really like the Metro interface and think it would just come alive on a tablet.

THAT's the thing!

The more i read reviews the more I am considering getting an RT. I'll wait for some GWJ reviews.

groan wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Playing with Windows 8 right now has me really, really interested in a Surface. I really like the Metro interface and think it would just come alive on a tablet.

THAT's the thing!

The more i read reviews the more I am considering getting an RT. I'll wait for some GWJ reviews.

One interesting thing mentioned in Anandtech's review (which is one of the more reasoned ones I've seen) is that they unofficially tested an Intel Cloverdale Atom tablet, and it performed significantly better than the RT based tablets. I would watch for the prices on those I think.

MannishBoy wrote:
groan wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Playing with Windows 8 right now has me really, really interested in a Surface. I really like the Metro interface and think it would just come alive on a tablet.

THAT's the thing!

The more i read reviews the more I am considering getting an RT. I'll wait for some GWJ reviews.

One interesting thing mentioned in Anandtech's review (which is one of the more reasoned ones I've seen) is that they unofficially tested an Intel Cloverdale Atom tablet, and it performed significantly better than the RT based tablets. I would watch for the prices on those I think.

Yeah, between Ars, Anand, and Engadget, I thought Anandtech's was the best read and fairly objective.

It was at that. I saw that Cloverdale reference and they mention it was mentioned before on their site though I don't get any results when searching.

Edit, It appears the Asus VivoTab Smart may be the tab sporting the Intel Cloverdale, though Anandtech calls it

In addition to the VivoTab RT there will be two other models, both Intel-based. The VivoTab 11.6” will feature a Wacom Digitizer and stylus for excellent. The Clover Trail-based VivoTab Smart will come with an optional keyboard cover and magnetic Smart Cover, which will fold into a stand for upright use.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6404/a...

groan wrote:

It was at that. I saw that Cloverdale reference and they mention it was mentioned before on their site though I don't get any results when searching.

I don't know that it will matter which one, as that was a pretty generic comment.

Battery life on Cloverdale is the question. But it would seem to be much more flexible.

Symbiotic wrote:
EvilHomer3k wrote:

That seems pretty damning to me.

For all those reasons and more, I stopped reading Gizmodo entirely. They are an opinion blog, not a tech review blog.

They're the Kotaku of tech.

Let's see:

+1 to never buy acer.

+1 to never read any gawker website since the format change.

I need to find a surface tablet with cellular from someone. So many vendors don't have specs out yet...

ibdoomed wrote:

Let's see:

+1 to never buy acer.

+1 to never read any gawker website since the format change.

I need to find a surface tablet with cellular from someone. So many vendors don't have specs out yet...

My understanding is that this first version of the Surface will not have cellular support. Maybe a later version, but from some simple google-fu, it looks like neither the RT nor Pro versions will have it.

The big takeaway for me from all these reviews is that (as I expected) the kickstand/cover combo is sub-par for typing on a lap... the very thing I would want to do with it. That, and the dearth of apps for Windows RT means this is a pass for me this cycle.

I'm still very interested in convertible Win8 Pro notebooks though.

It does have screen typing like the ipad right? I can't imagine lap typing being comfortable no matter how stiff the attachable keyboard is.

fangblackbone wrote:

It does have screen typing like the ipad right? I can't imagine lap typing being comfortable no matter how stiff the attachable keyboard is.

Most definitely. For what it's worth, the on screen keyboard for WP7 is great.

I ordered one with both keyboards to play with. I'll post here with thoughts when it arrives.

trueheart78 wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:

Let's see:

+1 to never buy acer.

+1 to never read any gawker website since the format change.

I need to find a surface tablet with cellular from someone. So many vendors don't have specs out yet...

My understanding is that this first version of the Surface will not have cellular support. Maybe a later version, but from some simple google-fu, it looks like neither the RT nor Pro versions will have it.

The initial versions of Surface will not but as far as I know, other OEMs could do it. But yeah, a lot of them haven't made announcements yet or have only announced entry models that are just wi-fi.

According the the Windows 8 launch event today they did mention a couple of OEMs that will be offering cellular support.
I think there was a Lenovo that was going to.

Anymore with shared data plans as well as data caps I find the idea of separate data plans for tablets kinda pointless. My phone is now my hotspot for my laptop and tablet all pulling from a 20GB shared data plan. If you can get your tablet on an unlimited data plan then I guess it makes sense. But anymore why pay for extra data plans unless you legitimately stream that much cellular data on your tablet every month.

I have 6 GB data and if i could get a 20 plan that would be amazing to tether with.
Alas, Canada is so far behind the data times....

TheGameguru wrote:

Anymore with shared data plans as well as data caps I find the idea of separate data plans for tablets kinda pointless. My phone is now my hotspot for my laptop and tablet all pulling from a 20GB shared data plan. If you can get your tablet on an unlimited data plan then I guess it makes sense. But anymore why pay for extra data plans unless you legitimately stream that much cellular data on your tablet every month.

I was kind of thinking the same thing with our new Vita. I wasn't going to get a 3G version, but I got a good deal on one through Craigslist. It feels like I should be able to piggyback on my current AT$T plan.

groan wrote:

I have 6 GB data and if i could get a 20 plan that would be amazing to tether with.
Alas, Canada North America is so far behind the data times....

FTFY.

TheGameguru wrote:

Anymore with shared data plans as well as data caps I find the idea of separate data plans for tablets kinda pointless. My phone is now my hotspot for my laptop and tablet all pulling from a 20GB shared data plan. If you can get your tablet on an unlimited data plan then I guess it makes sense. But anymore why pay for extra data plans unless you legitimately stream that much cellular data on your tablet every month.

Sometimes ease of use trumps cost.

Kurrelgyre wrote:

Alas, Canada North America is so far behind the data times....

Have you guys ever LIVED in Europe? The concept of 'unlimited mobile data' doesn't exist outside of North America as far as I know...

For example:

http://www.o2.co.uk/broadband/ipad-t...

Symbiotic wrote:
Kurrelgyre wrote:

Alas, Canada North America is so far behind the data times....

Have you guys ever LIVED in Europe? The concept of 'unlimited mobile data' doesn't exist outside of North America as far as I know...

For example:

http://www.o2.co.uk/broadband/ipad-t...

Haaaaa ha. Yeah, it's pretty bad everywhere. I'm still clinging on to an unlimited plan for dear life, but there's no way for me to tether. I'd have to give up the unlimited for that. AT&T's current pricing plans are ridiculous. I'm pretty sure they'll bump me soon for whatever reason they can come up with.

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Pretty!

Here's a nice review from Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/10...

Looking forward to getting mine in December...

Over September and October I traveled, for a number of very sad reason, to Moscow. I still have an unlimited mobile data plan active on my SIM from MTS, a local provider -- for a cost of about $25 per month.

It wasn't really unlimited data, though. When I ran Google Maps in Navigation mode (with traffic layer) for a couple of hours, they send me an SMS saying that they think I am doing something heavy, and I should consider switching to a "filesharing-friendly tariff".

Guru!
I expect a full review by Monday morning on my desk.
with lots of pretty pictures!

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Couple things in have questions about that no one seems to have mentioned in the reviews I have read.

Flash - is it present and working? (kids play flash games on my wife's laptop)
OnScreen keybaord - How does it function when multitasking?

I'm guessing no, Silverlight is the FUTURE!

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