Microsoft Surface

So I was browsing around Fry's last night and my eyes were openned to a few things:

1. ASUS already has a (thicker Microsoft Surface) Win 7 tablet with an i5 processor for $1300.
2. There was an end cap display for Samsung's Galaxy Tablet family... sans pricing
3. Netbooks seem dead in the water because of (#4)
4. There are a ton of windows 7, and droid tablets for $300-$400 and (#5)
5. There are a lot of options for a $400-$500 full laptop and (#6)
6. Instead of upgrading my desktop guts to core i5 for $400 there are decent desktops for $375-$500

EDIT: Derp, wrong thread.

fangblackbone wrote:

So I was browsing around Fry's last night and my eyes were openned to a few things:

1. ASUS already has a (thicker Microsoft Surface) Win 7 tablet with an i5 processor for $1300.

Not sure that even 64Gb of disk would be enough. My Windows 7 install is ~30Gb. I guess you can use an air card for 4G connectivity. I wonder if you can use an air card with the new Android tablets. Anyone know?

Also a little heavy @ nearly 3 pounds. Nice big screen, though.

I do want to upgrade from my Gen 1 Xoom this year and it looks like it could be a tough call between one of the new Android tablets or a Windows 7/8 tablet.

More research needed....

Just discussed this with a co-worker: If Microsoft is smart and truly committed to the 'This is What A Windows 8 Tablet Should be' premise, then the default package should contain the stylus and a voucher for the Touch-Cover of your choice (and a same-value discount on the Type-Cover). The Tablet is made to use them... Make them an integral part of the package at launch. They can always offer a 'Limited' version later on, but if the second digitizer and integrally designed cover are major selling points then don't make them separate purchases.

I can definitely see why they wouldn't (bundle the accessories) and I know that there would be an outcry of "Leave it out and sell it cheaper" but with the Google Tablet and countless other 'cheaper' Tablets that outcry will happen even if Microsoft charges less than an iPad at launch. There's always a lower bar.

My Windows 7 install is ~30Gb.

If you disable swap and hibernation files, the C:\windows directory should be under 16 gigs -- mine is 15.9, and lord only knows what cruft has accumulated in there. There'll be maybe another gig in Program Files, but 64 gigs should be enough, with careful space management.

128 would definitely be better, though, and 256 is pretty darn comfortable.

Be careful about measuring the windows folder, there's a load of hard links in folders like winsxs that make them appear larger than they really are. To see this take a look at the usage of your OS drive (A), the size of everything but your windows folder (B), and then your windows folder (C), and then you should see that A < B+C.

RISE!

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Windows RT on the upcoming Asus Vive will be able to run full Unreal 3 engine games. I wonder if the Windows one will as well.

Also Asus says they will be pricing it comparable to iPad. So if Microsoft insists to sell the RT at $199 then they will have a lot of pissed off partners.

groan wrote:

So if Microsoft insists to sell the RT at $199 then they will have a lot of pissed off partners.

There's no way that rumor is true, anymore than that really high priced one was. MS at the Surface announcement said it would be priced competitive to other tablets. And I don't think they meant 7" tablets.

Only way I could see the $200 price would be in a contract deal of some sort that comes with a payment.

It's supposed to be priced REALLY high, because Microsoft is forcing people to take Office with it, too.

What about subsidizing with app sales?
If M$ allowed the OEM's to sell the tablet el-ceapo, the OEM could get a slice of the MS App store pie. Everyone to get in on the Tablet at/below Cost deal.

Would that even be possible? Just thinking out there.

Malor wrote:

It's supposed to be priced REALLY high, because Microsoft is forcing people to take Office with it, too.

That high price came from that European retailer that just put it in their inventory at a high price so that they could take pre-orders.

A price that high would make the product DOA. The RT tablets are going to be in the several hundred dollar range at launch.

Going back to rumors, the rumors for OEMs for Windows RT I saw ran from $50-$85 IIRC, and that would include the Office that come with all RT OS machines.

Are you implying that there will be an interest to install WinRT on a desktop?

fangblackbone wrote:

Are you implying that there will be an interest to install WinRT on a desktop?

Not me, I was just responding to Malor's rumor about pricing being high because Office is included in RT. The license cost is nothing like a license for full Office if the rumored licensing costs are true.

Aren't rumors fun?

Although I guess you could see some "nettop" like desktops with ARM processors sold for cheap.

No, but supposedly it makes the licensing cost for the OS+Office bundle fairly outrageous. Even your $85 figure is pretty insane. No way anyone's selling these things much under $800, if they have Windows.

Malor wrote:

No, but supposedly it makes the licensing cost for the OS+Office bundle fairly outrageous. Even your $85 figure is pretty insane. No way anyone's selling these things much under $800, if they have Windows.

The $85 price includes Office. It's part of the OS package for RT.

And I say you're wrong about nobody having these under $800. They've repeatedly said comparable pricing to other similar tablet devices. I'd say they compare themselves to the ipad. So figure that kind of price to start, then some pretty good competitive pressure and component price drops to lower things a bit more over time (just like what's happening to ultrabooks).

The $85 price includes Office. It's part of the OS package for RT.

Right. Which is what I said, all the way along. And it's stupid and useless, and it makes the hardware much more expensive than it should be.

Malor wrote:
The $85 price includes Office. It's part of the OS package for RT.

Right. Which is what I said, all the way along. And it's stupid and useless, and it makes the hardware much more expensive than it should be.

Unless you might want to use it to do Office-y things. Also, the $85 price is the high end rumor. I've also seen $50-$60 for license costs in other pieces, supposedly leaked from OEMs.

All I know is that MS said Surface RT will be similar in price to other tablets on the market. And that's not currently $800 for the main competitor, unless you go fully loaded with LTE. The vast majority sold are cheaper than that.

We all know you hate Win 8/RT by this point.

My roommate is going to get a new computer soon. I'm going to try to convince him to get the RT version. All he needs it for is browsing the web, email, and photos. Should be perfect for him if it's cheap enough.

I plan to get the RT to replace my aging Android. Especially if it comes out at $2-300. If they are selling them compared to the existing Android tabs then I could see it selling at $299. The rumored $200 would be a no brainier, but we'll see about that price.

groan wrote:

I plan to get the RT to replace my aging Android. Especially if it comes out at $2-300. If they are selling them compared to the existing Android tabs then I could see it selling at $299. The rumored $200 would be a no brainier, but we'll see about that price.

I think your whole price range is optimistic. But definitely the $200 number

Any more rumors?

I'm still hoping this will be my next tablet. Not sure if I will jump on the RT or wait for the pro. Depends on price and how quickly after the RT the Pro comes out.

The RT price has to hit soon, if it gets released with Windows 8/RT, it is out before the end of the month.

MannishBoy wrote:

The RT price has to hit soon, if it gets released with Windows 8/RT, it is out before the end of the month.

I know!
SQWEEE!!

It's going to be interesting to see competition between the windows tablet and the rumoured ipad mini.

MannishBoy wrote:

The RT price has to hit soon, if it gets released with Windows 8/RT, it is out before the end of the month.

Yeah, I'm hoping that pre-orders will hit next week or the next - two weeks before launch. Also not quite decided if I'll go for an RT yet, or wait for Pro, or wait and see what the competition is like a bit more.

The thing is, Apple is the only company that I know of that releases the same day as they announce (wait, Google did too, right?)
Let's hope the 26th is the actual launch/preorder day.

I've not been as excited as this about a release since..well,k i don't know when.
I never get excited about a V1.0. Well I get excited but not run out and buy. I may actually LINE UP!

nah.

Still no pricing. But they have a commercial.

From Twitter:

The Verge wrote:

Microsoft Surface RT priced at $499 for 32GB without Touch Cover http://t.co/bHNpr95g

$499 w/o touch cover, $599 with, and $699 for 64GB with it instead of 32GB.

Have any of the RT/ARM devices been 'out in the wild' with review sites for performance testing yet?

Various third party Windows RT tablets are coming in with starting prices of $499 and $599 as well. The price isn't out of whack but pricing yourselves in the same range as the iPad when you have an unproven OS with only a fraction of the application base...I dunno. I think that's going to be a tell sell to the mainstream.