Microsoft Surface

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Lenovo Yoga 13 wih Haswell. I need something a little bit bigger.

Doh! Double post. Also thought this was the Windows 8 thread.

PaladinTom wrote:

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Lenovo Yoga 13 wih Haswell. I need something a little bit bigger.

I really like my Yoga. There's a couple of things I'd like to see fixed, but in general, it's been great. A backlit keyboard would be nice for instance.

Just thought I'd pass along that if you're running a Surface Pro (or any other Win 8 device) and use a DisplayLink hub and decide to update to the Windows 8.1 preview, you'll need to download the 8.1 DisplayLink drivers here: http://www.displaylink.org/forum/showthread.php?t=61769

It took me a LONG time to track that one down.

I'm afraid of 8.1. From what I read a month or so ago, there's not necessarily an easy upgrade from 8.1 preview to 8.1 retail. It was reported straight from MS a month or so ago that you have to reinstall apps and possibly programs when you go retail. Is that still true?

I had read it as that you could roll back to 8.0 (losing any apps you had installed or apps that were updated as part of moving to 8.1), then apply retail 8.1 and get the latest version of apps. I don't do a lot of app installing, so didn't seem like a huge deal. Also VERY interested in 8.1 Bing SDK for some r&d projects.

After doing some more reading, you are correct Mannish. I will be rebuilding my Surface this weekend. As much as I liked the 8.1 stuff, there's too many things that are broken that I need (Sonicwall Net Extender) to work that just do not in the Preview. It sucks that a preview that has been talked about so much and is something lots of folks are looking forward to trying out isn't something that you can just rollback or upgrade to the RTM version, but given the changes involved, it isn't that surprising.

Luckily, I just have a few apps installed and it shouldn't be that big of a deal to go back to factory state. If it turns out to be more effort than that, I will be really mad at myself.

TexasRay wrote:

After doing some more reading, you are correct Mannish. I will be rebuilding my Surface this weekend. As much as I liked the 8.1 stuff, there's too many things that are broken that I need (Sonicwall Net Extender) to work that just do not in the Preview. It sucks that a preview that has been talked about so much and is something lots of folks are looking forward to trying out isn't something that you can just rollback or upgrade to the RTM version, but given the changes involved, it isn't that surprising.

Luckily, I just have a few apps installed and it shouldn't be that big of a deal to go back to factory state. If it turns out to be more effort than that, I will be really mad at myself.

Sorry to hear that.

I loaned my work Surface Pro to a co-worker a few weeks ago. I miss it dearly.

Gah! apparently CDW has the 256GB Surface Pro for $1200... Microsoft better hurry up and release an updated Haswell Pro...

TheGameguru wrote:

Gah! apparently CDW has the 256GB Surface Pro for $1200... Microsoft better hurry up and release an updated Haswell Pro...

GovConnection has them too! Sounds like the tech team might get a storage bump. Found this FAQ page.
Edit: Spotted this quote

These resellers can sell to our commercial, education and public sector customers but not consumers or retailers.

It isn't often that working for an education agency as a technician has perks. Thanks Obama!

Edit: Time to unbox my 256 GB Surface Pro!

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...
I'm hopeful.
If they make it waterproof, keep the digital pen, and give it a Retina-like display, I'll have my dream machine.

I purchased a Surface Pro for grad school and I love this thing.

I have been wanting one but holding out for the 2 announcement for a few months, hope it is something good.

Yeah the first hardware revision is the biggest thing I've waited for with this. I want one but not so badly that I couldnt wait to see what improvements were made.

I'm torn on pulling the trigger on v1 or waiting for v2.

I've read that Nokia, which is really just Microsoft now, is doing one that looks like a large version of the 920 Windows Phone. I think Microsoft just needs to do a tablet and stop trying to make it part laptop, which is what it seems like the Nokia design may be trying to do.

My brother and mom each have one, and while I like them to some degree, the iPad is still just a better design ergonomically, for me. I don't want a kick stand, a clicky keyboard, or the power for it to act like a really weak PC. I want a tablet that is a beefier and larger version of my WP8 phone. The I might consider getting one in addition to the iPad we already own.

Jayhawker wrote:

My brother and mom each have one, and while I like them to some degree, the iPad is still just a better design ergonomically, for me. I don't want a kick stand, a clicky keyboard, or the power for it to act like a really weak PC.

Yeah, I totally want those things. Although I don't remember the reviews complaining about performance of the Pro.

RolandofGilead wrote:

Yeah, I totally want those things. Although I don't remember the reviews complaining about performance of the Pro.

Nor do I, unless you're counting the lack of a discrete GPU. It's otherwise the same internals as many other well-performing Ultrabooks.

As much as I adore my Thinkpad Tablet 2, that's the kind of hardware where you complain about performance.

Details for Surface 2 are due to be announced later today. Unless I was told wrong, which seems to be happening quite a bit lately.
Edit... Whoops. Missed the link above!

Jayhawker wrote:

I've read that Nokia, which is really just Microsoft now, is doing one that looks like a large version of the 920 Windows Phone. I think Microsoft just needs to do a tablet and stop trying to make it part laptop, which is what it seems like the Nokia design may be trying to do.

My brother and mom each have one, and while I like them to some degree, the iPad is still just a better design ergonomically, for me. I don't want a kick stand, a clicky keyboard, or the power for it to act like a really weak PC. I want a tablet that is a beefier and larger version of my WP8 phone. The I might consider getting one in addition to the iPad we already own.

You would think that.. but the beauty of the Surface Pro is exactly that is the best of both worlds.. I find it ergonomically better to use than my iPad which has that weird non-standard aspect ratio.. I much prefer a true 16x9 ratio device for video and work. I hope Microsoft doesnt kill their one advantage which is that they have the only OS that currently can switch between a desktop mode and a tablet mode unlike all the other competitors. I can use the Surface Pro as a touch tablet on the plane and get to the office and dock it and use it as my main work laptop. Neither Apple or Android offer anything like that.

The Table market has set sail for Android and iOS.. its largely a done deal and one where I don't believe Microsoft can ever catch up and compete directly so I don't think they should bother.

Also.. the Surface 2 looks awesome.. heres hoping they launch with 256GB/512GB options this time around.. I'm sold.

cool new click-in board

surfaceremixproject.com

TheGameguru wrote:

Also.. the Surface 2 looks awesome.. heres hoping they launch with 256GB/512GB options this time around.. I'm sold.

Looks like both the 256G and 512G will come with 8G of RAM. That's going to make for a fairly serious option for workstation type usage. No word on price yet.

I've been using the original Pro as a dev station for the past 4-5 months and it has been mostly fantastic. Only minor complaint is the amount of RAM makes it where I can run only one instance of VS2013 if I want to launch the WP8 emulator. Bumping up to 8G will solve that issue and then some.

The new docking station looks very nice, too. Didn't see details of the port configuration on the back, but integrated power is a nice feature over the ThinkPad USB 3 hub I'm using now.

Pricing was announced, not any cheaper than current version.

Four models of Surface Pro 2 will be offered: 64GB storage with 4GB RAM at $899, 128GB with 4GB at $999, 256GB with 8GB at $1,299, and 512GB with 8GB at a rather eye-watering $1,799.

The 256 is the one I want, but $1300 is a lot for a tablet plus another $100+ for the keyboard cover.

nifty feature: the keypads are backlit, niftier feature: they have proximity sensors so when you remove your hands they stop lighting up!

sadly still just 1920x1080, and though the liveblog didn't mention it directly, one of the pictures I saw showed a pen, so I'm assuming their keeping the wacom pen

to get this I'd just have to get the 8GB ram model, 256 GB is probably just right, I haven't switched to using network drives yet though

I really love the idea of being able to restore an entire machine (apps and data) from skydrive in just 8 minutes (it continuously synchs). Of course this feature also means the government can spy on you even more easily now.
I recently used clonezilla and it took a while to finish.

I'd say the price is fair, though I don't think I can justify the cost vs my actual need. Even if this PC died, I use my PC for gaming and can rebuild this exact configuration for less money.

512GB is pricey... but not out of line with similar builds.. you'll pay almost $1000 for a 128GB iPad and it isnt a fully functional PC.

Still no place to put the pen?

Kurrelgyre wrote:

Still no place to put the pen?

Well...

Oh. You mean on the device.

I thought this was an interesting kind of "behind the scenes" take on the Surface 2 event. I need to try out Fresh Paint and the pen.

I'm very interested in the 256/8 model (shiny! new!), but have no real complaints on the first version that would warrant the expense of the upgrade.