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Watching CNN for election results and they're cruising with Microsoft Surface apps which are pretty damn impressive.

Any idea when we get our hands on this for regular business/home use? I saw the video from a year or 2 ago when they first announced it, but hadn't heard about it since.

I imagine programming for it would be a blast.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

It's a big-ass table! :)

We know. We want big ass tables too.

It's not a Microsoft Surface but a similar technology around multi-touch by Perceptive Pixel. http://www.perceptivepixel.com/

here's two videos of CNN using what they call the "Magic Wall".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5g19Nn4Cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQQ7bT1IHrA

a7an wrote:

It's not a Microsoft Surface but a similar technology around multi-touch by Perceptive Pixel. http://www.perceptivepixel.com/

here's two videos of CNN using what they call the "Magic Wall".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5g19Nn4Cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQQ7bT1IHrA

Which came first? They pretty much look to act the same and allow the same interactions. Either way i want to take a peek in the SDK's

It's baaaaack!

I think they just re-used the name... I don't think it's the Surface technology at all.

I'm sure a lot of the tech is the same, it's just a different form factor. If I remember, the surface table was Win7 with custom apps, while this just looks like their take on an Asus transformer with Win8.

Dubstep always means quality technology.

I know it's supposed to be a tablet with an optional keyboard, but I can't help thinking that that showing it as a laptop will do them harm for how they've made it.

The 'kickstand' combined with a bulky 'screen' and a light keyboard (inverse to a laptop), combined with a lightweight link between the two components means you need that stand to keep it stable. What I think will be a problem is that when used in a laptop form that it will be awkward, used stationary in one position on a table it'll be okay, but when you move it around ("take a look at this" - turn laptop around) that stand is going to get in the way, or you try to use it on a lap it doesn't have a weighty base and again that awkward stand. They're working against physics and ergonomics, making the best of a bad situation. The alternatives seem to be using a stronger joint between screen and keyboard (whichever one holds the heavier computing parts).

They've renamed the table thing Pixel Sense in case anyone is wondering.

Warlock wrote:

Dubstep always means quality technology.

At least it's no Windows 7 party.

So any word on whether it has expandable memory slots, USB-device connectivity, or any of the other features that tablet users have been wanting for a while?

Nevin73 wrote:

So any word on whether it has expandable memory slots, USB-device connectivity, or any of the other features that tablet users have been wanting for a while?

Both have USB. The ARM version USB 2, the Intel version USB 3.

Which makes the idea of using a 360 controller with one very interesting.

They also both have microSD. The x86 version the newer microSDXC with higher capacity.

Both versions (RT and Pro) have memory slots and USB ports. See the other specs here.

Agree with Scratched. That ad makes it look like an ultra-light laptop. They need to show someone using it.

I do think the keyboard/cover is pretty awesome, though. Wonder if works well.

I'm wondering what the second generation version will be like.

Scratched wrote:

I'm wondering what the second generation version will be like.

I'm wondering/hoping that the 3 month delay for the x86 is due to a wait on Haswell chips with the improved GPUs. That would make for a decent little mid ranged gaming device. Just pack your Xbox controller.

Haswell isn't set to be released until sometime in 2013 though...and I wouldn't imagine it would be early in 2013

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TheGameguru wrote:

Haswell isn't set to be released until sometime in 2013 though...and I wouldn't imagine it would be early in 2013

If they release the ARM version with Win 8 in October, three months puts the x86 after the first of 2013. And Intel has put special silicone on the market early before for Apple. See the low profile chips for the original Macbook Air that preceeded the ULV stuff.

I'd think MS is a big enough partner for Intel that they might give them some of the early supply.

I know it's wishful thinking and not likely, but I'll keep hoping my theory works out

lostlobster wrote:

Agree with Scratched. That ad makes it look like an ultra-light laptop. They need to show someone using it.

I do think the keyboard/cover is pretty awesome, though. Wonder if works well.

It probably helps to think of Surface as the reason for Windows 8. So it's a both/and. It can be a straight tablet, or a laptop replacement, depending on how you use it.

So you could have a bunch of locked down Windows 8 Pro Surface units in cubicles somewhere, or use it like you use a Kindle or iPad.

MannishBoy wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Haswell isn't set to be released until sometime in 2013 though...and I wouldn't imagine it would be early in 2013

If they release the ARM version with Win 8 in October, three months puts the x86 after the first of 2013. And Intel has put special silicone on the market early before for Apple. See the low profile chips for the original Macbook Air that preceeded the ULV stuff.

I'd think MS is a big enough partner for Intel that they might give them some of the early supply.

I know it's wishful thinking and not likely, but I'll keep hoping my theory works out :)

Maybe...it's certainly encouraging that across all Haswell CPUs (desktop/mobile/ultra book) that you can scale up to the GT3 max GPU

mateo wrote:

So you could have a bunch of locked down Windows 8 Pro Surface units in cubicles somewhere

I can't see tablets or touchscreens invading a cubicle farm any time soon. I think there's room for something other than a full featured typical office PC, but more towards terminals.

MannishBoy wrote:
Scratched wrote:

I'm wondering what the second generation version will be like.

I'm wondering/hoping that the 3 month delay for the x86 is due to a wait on Haswell chips with the improved GPUs. That would make for a decent little mid ranged gaming device. Just pack your Xbox controller.

Aren't the mobile chips released after the desktop versions?

According to what I'm reading, Haswell is slated for March-June release window based on some slides that leaked a few months ago. It is rumored to be packing DirectX 11.1 support on the GPU which will coincide nicely with Windows 8.

To be fair to Microsoft, most of their hardware has been just superb. The Sidewinder Force Feedback was one of the best joysticks you could buy, their mice and keyboards are freaking everywhere (and super reliable) and even the Zune was apparently a little marvel of hardware engineering. The Marketing department screwed up the Zune, not the hardware guys.

Microsoft is quite capable of making excellent devices. Where they have problems is that they're in a constant internal turf war. Everyone sabotages everyone else's products, and Ballmer lets them get away with it. So they come out with excellent stuff that, if it's any more complex than a keyboard or a mouse, runs into endless software problems.

For many years, you could not download the Sidewinder Force Feedback drivers from Microsoft. You had to have the original disks, or you were screwed.

I guarantee you that this tablet is going to get screwed up badly in multiple areas, deliberate acts of internal petty sabotage.

shoptroll wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
Scratched wrote:

I'm wondering what the second generation version will be like.

I'm wondering/hoping that the 3 month delay for the x86 is due to a wait on Haswell chips with the improved GPUs. That would make for a decent little mid ranged gaming device. Just pack your Xbox controller.

Aren't the mobile chips released after the desktop versions?

According to what I'm reading, Haswell is slated for March-June release window based on some slides that leaked a few months ago. It is rumored to be packing DirectX 11.1 support on the GPU which will coincide nicely with Windows 8.

Not always. As I mentioned above, the mobile stuff hit for Apple earlier than PCs on the original MBAs.

As I said, unlikely. But even if it doesn't come at launch, it will be cool once these get updated to Haswell.

Mark Rein from Epic seems especially excited about x86 tablets, especially with Haswell on the horizon.

We all know why the 360 was released with serious issues. They were trying to beat Sony to market. Had they not had the RRoD, Sony would have been knocked out. As it is, they have just positioned themselves to make a big leap next Gen.

But Malor is right, MS hardware tends to be really well done. Its why I am much less worried about the Nextbox. I'm confident that it will be released on a much less aggressive timetable.

And it sure seems like Surface is not being pushed out aggressively either.

Jayhawker wrote:

And it sure seems like Surface is not being pushed out aggressively either.

What is extremely curious, however, is the timing of this announcement. We're probably 4 months from hardware on shelves and the launch of Win 8.

So what got them excited to announce it now and allow this good buzz they got over interesting hardware to wane in the upcoming months?

You've got Google IO coming with supposedly a Google Nexus tablet launch. Maybe they want to try to keep Android tablets from really gaining a foothold, making even the number two slot in tablets harder to take. Is that it?

Another thought I had was that they just weren't happy with what their hardware partners are putting out. Maybe they just haven't seen any OEMs that they feel really get the MS vision for what Win 8 will be capable of in the right device. Or maybe they just want to push the OEMs to get serious in trying to compete in hardware design and quality with Apple, instead of racing to the cheapest price point and feature set to fight for value buyers?

It's just an odd time for this thing to be announced.

I'm really intrigued by the Surface and that keyboard cover is utterly brilliant marketing and/or design (assuming it works well). That being said, apps are the key, and there's so much out there already via the Apple app store, Google, and even Amazon that there's so much ground to make up. Microsoft's done a glorious job of trying to shove its media offerings down everybody's throats in the past, which has helped run all sorts of things into the ground. If they try that here . . . well, they're screwed.

I'd love for this to be a decent competitor for the iPad. I'm so locked into the App Store and iTunes now that Surface would need to do something really special to convert me, but bring it on, I say!

If it does prove to be all things to all men, I will still wait for the 2nd gen at least, though.

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