Voting ID, the problems it purports to solve, and the problems it might create

Lewis Black said it best above: elected officials should not be determining who can vote.

It amazes me that the greatest support for voter ID laws are conservatives; who in turn base their political philosophy on not trusting the government, who then in turn want the government to step in and determine who has the "right" to vote.

Flintheart Glomgold wrote:

Lewis Black said it best above: elected officials should not be determining who can vote.

It amazes me that the greatest support for voter ID laws are conservatives; who in turn base their political philosophy on not trusting the government, who then in turn want the government to step in and determine who has the "right" to vote.

See also, marriage equality - The government should not stick it's nose into our personal lives, but they should totally do that to stop the gays from ruining my marriage by processes we can't fully explain.

To be fair, they also want the minorities to be kept from interfering with good honest Americans. Even Jews, apparently. It's not just sexual deviants.

County Chairman Michael Higgs said he spoke to Kirkland on two occasions at party events this year and encouraged him to run. At no time, Higgs said, did Kirkland make any anti-Semitic comments.

“I never received any commentary like that from him,” Higgs said, adding that if he had, “I would have asked him not to run.”

Gee. "Asked him not to run". Really taking a stand there, Mr. Higgs, that's mighty white of you. In more ways than one.

I'm just relieved to hear stories of crazy from the western shore. I'll be getting the popcorn ready to see if that Dominionist loon in Anne Arundel County gets elected.

Robear wrote:

To be fair, they also want the minorities to be kept from interfering with good honest Americans. Even Jews, apparently. It's not just sexual deviants.

Wow. When I read this the first time, I thought it must be calling back to some old laws attempting to limit voting by "undesirables". Then I read it four or five more times in disbelief before it sank in that no, this is a thing from [em]yesterday[/em].

Yeesh.

To me, this is a Maryland/VA conservative thing, especially with white guys his age. He would have been raised anti-Catholic most likely, anti-Semitic, with a paternalistic attitude towards women and blacks and Hispanics at best. Then, with the Civil Rights stuff, he'd have learned to mostly shut up about, but the Tea Party has brought it back out into the open.

But back room racism, misogyny and homophobia? Totally alive and well among middle aged and older white men in the DelMarVa area.

Robear wrote:

To me, this is a Maryland/VA conservative thing, especially with white guys his age. He would have been raised anti-Catholic most likely, anti-Semitic, with a paternalistic attitude towards women and blacks and Hispanics at best. Then, with the Civil Rights stuff, he'd have learned to mostly shut up about, but the Tea Party has brought it back out into the open.

But back room racism, misogyny and homophobia? Totally alive and well among middle aged and older white men in the DelMarVa area.

Allow me to tell you that it's sadly alive and well on Long Island as well, and by no means limited to the older generation. I'm not even sure it was ever particularly hidden here. People wonder how Peter T. King keeps getting elected, but he's pretty much a perfect representative of the views of the area.

Zona wrote:
Robear wrote:

To me, this is a Maryland/VA conservative thing, especially with white guys his age. He would have been raised anti-Catholic most likely, anti-Semitic, with a paternalistic attitude towards women and blacks and Hispanics at best. Then, with the Civil Rights stuff, he'd have learned to mostly shut up about, but the Tea Party has brought it back out into the open.

But back room racism, misogyny and homophobia? Totally alive and well among middle aged and older white men in the DelMarVa area.

Allow me to tell you that it's sadly alive and well on Long Island as well, and by no means limited to the older generation. I'm not even sure it was ever particularly hidden here. People wonder how Peter T. King keeps getting elected, but he's pretty much a perfect representative of the views of the area.

Right down to the hypocrisy, since he was a supporter of the IRA when it was a terrorist organization..

"I SEE BLACK PEOPLE (voting)!" (PDF warning) - white people who see pictures of black people voting before being asked if they support voter ID laws are more likely to say yes.

I'm seeing news that SCOTUS approved of Texas voter ID laws and will allow them to be enforced in November.

Disappointing on many levels.

Remember Nevada State Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore? She's the one who said that cancer is a “fungus” that can be flushed from the body with saline solution.

Fiore is now applying her staggeringly powerful intellect to the nonexistent problem of voting fraud in Nevada. After hearing testimony about how Nevada's proposed voter ID laws will negatively impact communities of color, Fiore dismissed those concerns because "we're in 2015 and we have a black president, in case anyone didn't notice" and "that the color and race issue, I think it's time to put that to rest." In addition, Fiore stated, for the record, that she'd totes pick up anyone who didn't have an ID and take them to get one.

Further proving racism is a thing of the past, Fiore also complimented Assemblyman Harvey Munford for "being the first colored man to graduate from his college" even though that happened four years before she was born.

Fiore's comments start at 4:07.

Here that Ferguson, Missouri? Racism is a thing of the past! Let it go.

/sarcasm
The above was sarcasm
Please... seriously understand, that was sarcasm.

I hope her constituents take her up on her offer, and start flooding her with requests to drive them to wherever one gets their voter ID.

It's the only logical thing to do.

March and rally in Winston-Salem tomorrow to coincide with NAACP vs McCrory, which will start in federal court.

The case challenges the following provisions of H.B. 589: the elimination of same-day voter registration, the prohibition of counting out-of-precinct ballots, the shortening of the early voting period by a week, the implementation of a strict photo ID requirement, the elimination of a successful pre-registration program for 16- and 17-year-olds, and the expansion of the ability for poll observers to challenge voters.

More case information.

John Oliver tackles the topic.

Ugh, North Carolina.

Ravindra added: “My wife and I couldn’t help but feel that we were singled out. The poll workers could have simply looked at our IDs and saved a lot of time. That in a sea of white faces at both polling stations my wife and I were the only brown-skinned individuals also led us to suspect that we were victims of racial prejudice. In these days of Trumpism and shameless xenophobia and other assorted phobias, we can’t be blamed if we are paranoid.”

After this entire saga ended for both Ravindra and his wife, he called the state Board of Elections to lodge a complaint. The director apologized and confirmed to him that poll workers only have to look at the photo ID — there was no necessity for him to have to spell out his name.

It's not just voter ID, I think maybe this thread should be re-titled "Voting Rights Catch all" (or similar) .

In Maricopa County in Arizona, they had tried to reduce polling places but were shot down by the Justice Department as being unfair, after the Supreme Court ruling that weakened voting rights, they cut their polling places by 70%, mostly in poor and minority neighborhoods. Last weeks primary had voters waiting in line for FIVE HOURS, and this is just the primary, imagine the general election! The line isn't the only problem, all the people who drove by trying to park ,seeing the line and nowhere to park and just leaving had to have been huge.

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Arizona’s voting outrage is a warning to the nation

RooksGambit wrote:

It's not just voter ID, I think maybe this thread should be re-titled "Voting Rights Catch all" (or similar) .

In Maricopa County in Arizona, they had tried to reduce polling places but were shot down by the Justice Department as being unfair, after the Supreme Court ruling that weakened voting rights, they cut their polling places by 70%, mostly in poor and minority neighborhoods. Last weeks primary had voters waiting in line for FIVE HOURS, and this is just the primary, imagine the general election! The line isn't the only problem, all the people who drove by trying to park ,seeing the line and nowhere to park and just leaving had to have been huge.

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Arizona’s voting outrage is a warning to the nation

And don't forget that some news outlets were announcing that Clinton had won the vote, meaning that some people who were planning on voting for Sanders went home under the assumption that their vote meant nothing because she had "already won".

mudbunny wrote:
RooksGambit wrote:

It's not just voter ID, I think maybe this thread should be re-titled "Voting Rights Catch all" (or similar) .

In Maricopa County in Arizona, they had tried to reduce polling places but were shot down by the Justice Department as being unfair, after the Supreme Court ruling that weakened voting rights, they cut their polling places by 70%, mostly in poor and minority neighborhoods. Last weeks primary had voters waiting in line for FIVE HOURS, and this is just the primary, imagine the general election! The line isn't the only problem, all the people who drove by trying to park ,seeing the line and nowhere to park and just leaving had to have been huge.

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Arizona’s voting outrage is a warning to the nation

And don't forget that some news outlets were announcing that Clinton had won the vote, meaning that some people who were planning on voting for Sanders went home under the assumption that their vote meant nothing because she had "already won".

Can't find it right now, but the committee meeting the next day did not go well for the group that pretty clearly and deliberately set this up.

Republicans knew exactly what they were doing. This is precisely what they expected to happen.

US 4th Circuit overturns NC voter ID law

The ruling prohibits North Carolina from requiring photo identification from voters in future elections, including the November 2016 general election, restores a week of early voting and preregistration for 16- and 17-year-olds, and ensures that same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting will remain in effect.
Attorneys for the state argue the plaintiffs are using anecdotal, "one-in-a-million" cases as an argument to strike down the laws.

Considering that's the argument they used to get them passed (non-existent voter fraud), I'd say turnabout is fair play.

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Here's the whole thing from North Carolina.

IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN [Fill in the blank]

Prederick wrote:

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Here's the whole thing from North Carolina.

IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN RACISM

Done!

Like a bad penny, James O'Keefe is back.

This time got caught trying to impersonate a Detroit Free Press reporter (and Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan, and Wayne State University Law School Dean Jocelyn Benson, and two other members of the Free Press editorial board) during the Michigan primary.

Neither O'Keefe nor any of his colleagues succeeded their attempts, but, of course, that didn't stop O'Keefe from publishing videos claiming they could have easily voted for the people they tried to impersonate.

Woodhouse’s gaffe exposes real aim of NC voting law
(Editorial in the Triangle News & Observer)

Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, didn’t try to be clever or subtle when he sent an email to GOP members of county boards of elections and other party members last weekend. No, he basically instructed those board members to use their majorities to curb early voting, keep polling sites closed on Sundays, close college campus voting sites and in general, to, as he put it, “make party line changes to early voting.”

(longer article in Talking Points Memo)

Brennan Center collects statements by Republicans indicating true intent of voter ID and other restrictive voting laws.

Wisconsin Congressman Admits Voter ID Will Help GOP Win in 2016

Responding to an interview question about Republican’s chance at the presidency in 2016, U.S. Rep. Glenn Grothmann (R-Wisc.) responded, “Hilary Clinton is about the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever out up, and now we have voter ID and I think voter ID is going to make a little bit of a difference as well.” Grothman helped passed the voter ID law in 2011 when he served as assistant majority leader in the State Senate. In 2012, he claimed voter ID would help Mitt Romney win Wisconsin, saying, “[I]nsofar as there are inappropriate things, people who vote inappropriately are more likely to vote Democrat.”